Post-Game Talk: To be the best you have to beat the best, Jets 4-2

[ps241]

I think Copp provides great value for his contract which is the game in the cap era? His skill set provides this team with something we are in short supply of.

 

[jetsforever]

Two wins in a week against the defending champs!
Hellebuyck is great
Good to see Laine score again, hope he's heating up
Also hopefully that ENG sparks Ehlers to start scoring again
Congrats to Harkins for his first

 

[GNP]

I think we are in a battle for one of the last two wild card spots and if Chevy can get a defenseman , hopefully trading Frenchie in the process , we have a good team . Don't really think St.Louis would be happy having to play us in the first round we have a very young team and to think we are in the hunt without Buff and Little all year is amazing , plus this is what i think about tanks .

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I agree -- and 2 major things to start with are -"trading Frenchie" and resolving the Buff situation. Then we can put that money saved on the Cap to acquire a couple bigger, faster defensemen, who can score as well, and we'll be sitting pretty.

 

[Saidin]

Eh, I don't think anyone stole anything. Helly was better, but I don't see any stealing going on.

 

[Whileee]

Copp will never be an above average goal scorer... he needs above average chances to get below average numbers. However, he is very good at his third line role, and every contending team needs a solid third line. As long as his stone hands chip in the odd goal, we'll be okay.

Interestingly, Copp scores at a higher rate (goals/60) than expected (expected goals / 60). He's below the elite scorers in that category, but higher than players like Lowry and Petan...

Meanwhile, over the past 2 seasons only two forwards have generated higher expected goals / 60 (Connor and Ehlers). I'll take a player that generates a lot of scoring chances with a moderate finishing rate over a player that doesn't generate scoring chances.

Only 4 forwards have a higher 5v5 scoring rate (goals / 60) than Copp - Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele and Laine. Copp is well ahead of Wheeler, Perreault, Little and Roslovic.

 

[GNP]

I'm glad Copp got a lucky bounce and that we won the game.
But we certainly didn't deserve to win.
I've seen the Jets give up a lot more goals, be caught running around worse etc...
But I'm not sure I've ever seen the team completely give up the way they did in the 2nd period the moment the Blues scored their first goal. Just zero effort or fight to try to stay in the game and win. Guys like Morrissey and Scheifele couldn't be bothered to push off with their skates, gliding was all they were willing to do as they watched the Blues beat us to every puck and win every battle. Roslovic had a shift where his line was pinned in the whole time. The puck went low to high and around a few times. He just stood in the same place not moving at all. Twice they carried the puck right past him and he didn't even waive his stick at it. It was bizarre. Luckily we weren't as awful in the 3rd and once we got our lucky goal had a bit of fight in us.

Whatever happens - happens this year but for F$%&s sake DO NOT go adding at the deadline for this team. This current team would likely get swept by any opponent. One word for this Jets squad... FRAGILE.

If Hellebuyck doesn't stand on his head we have zero chance in most games.

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Such a very good post, and fans should not get all fired up about this win, as it was a "lucky win" by our Goaltender. This team really has little fight, and gives up easily, and we'll have to rebuild with some players that have the fight, and will to win -- guys like Tanev.

I would call this a "fooling yourself win" -- but Helle's heroics will only hold up for so long. Guys like Roslovic have the talent, but just disappear for long periods of time ? I don't know if you trade them off, or find some way, or someone, who can motivate them ??

 

[Whileee]

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Such a very good post, and fans should not get all fired up about this win, as it was a "lucky win" by our Goaltender. This team really has little fight, and gives up easily, and we'll have to rebuild with some players that have the fight, and will to win -- guys like Tanev.

I would call this a "fooling yourself win" -- but Helle's heroics will only hold up for so long. Guys like Roslovic have the talent, but just disappear for long periods of time ? I don't know if you trade them off, or find some way or someone, who can motivate them ??

See the post two above yours. The Jets actually weren't that far behind the Blues in shot attempts and expected goals at 5v5.

 

[SoCalJetsFan]

I will start my review by saying this is the best helly has ever looked. The fact we are even close to a wild card spot is amazing.

Bealieu threw some big hits. Heavy ones that mean something. Great first game we needed this

Niku is a little weak right now. His penalties are because he gets bullied for position and has to catch up.

Third line was buzzing all night. Let's hope Lowry doesnt automatically break that line up. But with little and perrault eventually coming back I dont see this as a permanent line even if they keep killing it.

Helly

I didnt mind no response on petrangelo. I always live when we stick up for eachother but it was a critical part of the game and was an accident... late hit on ehlers earlier is another story.

All in all a great game. I hope we dont keep rotating wins thouhh we either need to win some in a row or lose some. Make chevys life easier. Hopefully win some

Go gets go.

Agree, actually Perry-Lowry-Little would be a very good line on their own and we would have 2 3rd lines that could each eat 10 - 14 minutes a game and be quite defensively responsible and add some offense and keep 1 & 2 lines under 20 minutes.

 

[Analyst365]

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Such a very good post, and fans should not get all fired up about this win, as it was a "lucky win" by our Goaltender. This team really has little fight, and gives up easily, and we'll have to rebuild with some players that have the fight, and will to win -- guys like Tanev.

I would call this a "fooling yourself win" -- but Helle's heroics will only hold up for so long. Guys like Roslovic have the talent, but just disappear for long periods of time ? I don't know if you trade them off, or find some way, or someone, who can motivate them ??

Sure we were lucky, and Helle had a good night. It's hockey. Everyone can see this. The EARTH will only hold up for so long, maybe we shouldn't celebrate since we are all just dust in wind ...

 

[robertocarlos]

By the trade dead-line the Jets will have $22 million in cap space. They can go for it.

Chef and Connor going for that EN goal. Yikes.

 

[kanadalainen]

Interestingly, Copp scores at a higher rate (goals/60) than expected (expected goals / 60). He's below the elite scorers in that category, but higher than players like Lowry and Petan...

Meanwhile, over the past 2 seasons only two forwards have generated higher expected goals / 60 (Connor and Ehlers). I'll take a player that generates a lot of scoring chances with a moderate finishing rate over a player that doesn't generate scoring chances.

Only 4 forwards have a higher 5v5 scoring rate (goals / 60) than Copp - Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele and Laine. Copp is well ahead of Wheeler, Perreault, Little and Roslovic.

I'm hoping he can improve upon this even more. He's an interesting case. Smart, tough, and brings buckets of grit.

 

[kanadalainen]

Sure we were lucky, and Helle had a good night. It's hockey. Everyone can see this. The EARTH will only hold up for so long, maybe we shouldn't celebrate since we are all just dust in wind ...

 

[NorCalhockey]

By the trade dead-line the Jets will have $22 million in cap space. They can go for it.

Chef and Connor going for that EN goal. Yikes.

But Chevy, please, please, please just don't give up a 1st Rd pick on someone you don't have locked in beyond this season! Can Jets be lucky enough to find a Mark Stone (meaning: RFA who immediately signed long term so made it worthwhile giving away picks) type of guy? No more Stastny/Hayes guys, please.

 

[Jets 31]

Stastny was a great trade at the time , he was a big reason we got to the Conference final . Hayes was not but then Chevy and Chipman both said for years when our draft picks developed they would go for it . This season i would say if Chevy can get a good young defenseman and maybe a 2nd line center he might do a deal but i highly doubt Chevy does a Hayes trade again .

 

[buggs]

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I agree -- and 2 major things to start with are -"trading Frenchie" and resolving the Buff situation. Then we can put that money saved on the Cap to acquire a couple bigger, faster defensemen, who can score as well, and we'll be sitting pretty.

I think we should all probably resolve ourselves to accept that we have Perreault for the remainder of his contract. He might have had value at the start of the deal that was reasonable, but that no longer exists. It's a great idea, for just about any return, to move him out for salary reasons but would any of us want a player from another team with an unpalatable cap hit that isn't really effective any longer?

 

[NorCalhockey]

Stastny was a great trade at the time , he was a big reason we got to the Conference final . Hayes was not but then Chevy and Chipman both said for years when our draft picks developed they would go for it . This season i would say if Chevy can get a good young defenseman and maybe a 2nd line center he might do a deal but i highly doubt Chevy does a Hayes trade again .

I guess I just want too much. Yes, Stastny was key to getting to the WCF, but that's as far as the team went. Sucks to give up a 1st (esp. in this year's draft) if the team only makes it so far and no further.

 

[bennylundholm]

Interestingly, Copp scores at a higher rate (goals/60) than expected (expected goals / 60). He's below the elite scorers in that category, but higher than players like Lowry and Petan...

Meanwhile, over the past 2 seasons only two forwards have generated higher expected goals / 60 (Connor and Ehlers). I'll take a player that generates a lot of scoring chances with a moderate finishing rate over a player that doesn't generate scoring chances.

Only 4 forwards have a higher 5v5 scoring rate (goals / 60) than Copp - Ehlers, Connor, Scheifele and Laine. Copp is well ahead of Wheeler, Perreault, Little and Roslovic.

Great post.
Kind of cements my liking of Copp.
If Copp had Wheeler's icetime we'd be stronger. For the amount of key icetime and time with the puck on the PP, Wheeler imo does not generate enough offence but rather gives the puck away far too often.
Roslo is best suited on the 3rd line against weaker D.
For my $$, I think our strongest 2 way players for a big game or playoff series are Ehlers, Copp, Connor, Laine, Sheifele.

 

[Whileee]

Great post.
Kind of cements my liking of Copp.
If Copp had Wheeler's icetime we'd be stronger. For the amount of key icetime and time with the puck on the PP, Wheeler imo does not generate enough offence but rather gives the puck away far too often.
Roslo is best suited on the 3rd line against weaker D.
For my $$, I think our strongest 2 way players for a big game or playoff series are Ehlers, Copp, Connor, Laine, Sheifele.

Agree. I've advocated in the past for moving Copp as high as 2C. He can generate enough offense when he's with good wingers and he is so good in the defensive zone that he makes sure that his line spends a lot of time in offensive zone.

I'd be fine with trying the following, once Little and Lowry return.

Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Copp-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Roslovic
Harkins-Lowry-Appleton

 

[sipowicz]

Agree. I've advocated in the past for moving Copp as high as 2C. He can generate enough offense when he's with good wingers and he is so good in the defensive zone that he makes sure that his line spends a lot of time in offensive zone.

I'd be fine with trying the following, once Little and Lowry return.

Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Copp-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Roslovic
Harkins-Lowry-Appleton[/QUOTE]


That's actually pretty good!