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The NHL already told you that the situations are different. Most reputable pundits agree with that logic. So at this point you are in an extreme minority who thinks these cases are the same.
Because the NHL never makes mistakes. Look if hitting a guy who actually misses the puck while reaching for it is a suspension (again when head is not contacted), then make that a rule. Player hits opposing player who doesn’t have possession of the puck, suspension incoming.
 
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Barkov was there going for the puck, he missed it, but he wasn’t far away from the puck, which is what it sounds like when you said he last touched it 30+ feet away- like the puck was at center ice and he was near the net. He was racing for the puck trying to beat McDonagh to it, and McDonagh just beat him out (and that was only clear when slowed down on replay) If it was about setting a precedent for not hitting a player in the vicinity of the puck and ensuring you don’t go for the head, multiple players would get suspended nightly.
Barkov lost a foot race for the puck. This wasn't a puck battle. Again these were things that Hagel had a perfect angle to see unfold if he was watching the play rather than Barkov. Like I told the other poster, the NHL has told you why the two players are different. Most pundits agree. You are on an island.
 
Barkov lost a foot race for the puck. This wasn't a puck battle. Again these were things that Hagel had a perfect angle to see unfold if he was watching the play rather than Barkov. Like I told the other poster, the NHL has told you why the two players are different. Most pundits agree. You are on an island.
Game happening in real time. It wasn’t clear as day he missed it. Barkov was slightly ahead of McDonagh, who reached his stick out and made contact first (again saw that when they showed the replay). The NHL is saying after watching in slow motion one situation the guy touched the puck and the other didn’t. Fine, that’s an explanation for interference call. Not suspension - if that’s the case, it should be the rule and not discretionary, which discretion should also apply to the player’s defense as to why they made the decision they did. The island I’m on is where the game has been for pretty much its entire history (including more recent crackdowns on player safety). I’ve seen suspensions when head is point of contact, which isn’t the case here.
 
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Game happening in real time. It wasn’t clear as day he missed it. Barkov was slightly ahead of McDonagh, who reached his stick out and made contact first (again saw that when they showed the replay). The NHL is saying after watching in slow motion one situation the guy touched the puck and the other didn’t. Fine, that’s an explanation for interference call. Not suspension - if that’s the case, it should be the rule and not discretionary, which discretion should also apply to the player’s defense as to why they made the decision they did. The island I’m on is where the game has been for pretty much its entire history (including more recent crackdowns on player safety). I’ve seen suspensions when head is point of contact, which isn’t the case here.
Its a suspension because barkov never touched the puck. What hagel thought is irrelevant. You have been told why, you just refuse to understand it. You are being willfully ignorant at this point.
 
Its a suspension because barkov never touched the puck. What hagel thought is irrelevant. You have been told why, you just refuse to understand it. You are being willfully ignorant at this point.

Pointing out a difference doesn't amount to an explanation. There are plenty of irrelevant differences one can find (no situation is ever the same).
 
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Its a suspension because barkov never touched the puck. What hagel thought is irrelevant. You have been told why, you just refuse to understand it. You are being willfully ignorant at this point.
Then it should be a hard cut rule (not mentioned as discretionary) that if you hit a player without the puck, expect a suspension. The rule book, however, does not state that. It should be obvious why the Hagel situation wasn’t expected because the league hasn’t called it as such previously.
 
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Something being ignored by a certain fanbase is how one player was making a hockey play down a single goal. The other blindsided someone behind several goals late with only the intent to injure.
Only on HFBoards are there fans who think a player can be blindsided by someone approaching from directly in front of them. But you are correct, something is being ignored.
 
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Pointing out a difference doesn't amount to an explanation. There are plenty of irrelevant differences one can find (no situation is ever the same).
This difference is exactly the explanation. Players who have not touched the puck are not eligible to be checked. I am sorry you don’t understand how that is relevant, but fortunately the NHL does.
 
these guys are dense, just give up
Please post the rule book where it states a major interference penalty is an automatic suspension, since that is the rationale for why Hagel was suspended. And now it should become the norm for suspensions handed out for hitting a player without the puck but that hasn’t been the case (I can’t recall a guy being suspended for the same hit previously- Zegras got suspended but his point of contact was Rasmussen’s head).
 
This difference is exactly the explanation. Players who have not touched the puck are not eligible to be checked. I am sorry you don’t understand how that is relevant, but fortunately the NHL does.

Wait, are you saying that Guentzel was eligible to be checked?
 
blowing through a light thats been red is different than goin thru one that just turned red
both are illegal but former is more dangerous

IMO if crysaitl didnt get one elbowing barkovs face then i dont see why hagel did, but he shouldve gotten ejected with the major then played game 3

both are stupid hits, would like to see more clean hard hits
 
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Wait, are you saying that Guentzel was eligible to be checked?
I am saying that Barkov was not eligible to be checked. I thought that was obvious, But then again I find most of what occurred was predictable and easily understood, yet here we are.
 
I am saying that Barkov was not eligible to be checked. I thought that was obvious, But then again I find most of what occurred was predictable and easily understood, yet here we are.

So what the real difference with Guentzel then?
 
So what the real difference with Guentzel then?
Guentzel was eligible to be checked. Tkachuk’s hit was textbook other than the refs felt it was just outside the time window. If it was a fraction of a second earlier, it wouldn’t have even been a penalty. Barkov was NEVER eligible to be checked. That is the major difference. Secondarily, Tkachuk didn’t make any head contact unlike Hagel.
 
I am saying that Barkov was not eligible to be checked. I thought that was obvious, But then again I find most of what occurred was predictable and easily understood, yet here we are.
Again the rule book then needs to clearly state if a player hits another player who didn’t contact the puck it’s a suspension, no questions asked.

Barkov was ahead of McDonagh and was going for the puck but McDonagh reached out and touched the puck first. That wasn’t clear in real time who touched the puck first so can see why Hagel thought it was Barkov who was in front of McDonagh at the time.

And we’ve already seen the lateness of hitting a guy who last touched the puck isn’t a factor for a suspension (i.e., as shown by Tkachuk’s hit on Guentzel, so the puck being no where near can’t factor in). Intent to injure or violence of hit really doesn’t apply since both were shoulder to shoulder.

So it came down to watching in slow motion Barkov miss the puck and knowing Guentzel touched it since he completed the pass.

Therefore, rule book needs to state if it’s found you hit a player who didn’t contact the puck, automatic suspension going forward.

Change the rule then so there’s no ambiguity.
 
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Guentzel was eligible to be checked.

That's clearly not true. He wasn't eligible to be checked, which is why it was an interference penalty.

Tkachuk’s hit was textbook other than the refs felt it was just outside the time window. If it was a fraction of a second earlier, it wouldn’t have even been a penalty.

Let's be clear, "just outside" is coming from you, not the ref. Ref assessed it a major btw, just like Hagels. And Hagel's hit also has ifs and buts if that's what you are looking for. If Barkov played the puck as he intended to, it would not have been a penalty.

Barkov was NEVER eligible to be checked. That is the major difference.

People keep saying this, but nobody yet presented any explanation as to why this "major" difference is relevant to suspension. There is certainly nothing in the rule book.

Secondarily, Tkachuk didn’t make any head contact unlike Hagel.

Unlike that never eligible/not eligible hair splitting business, this explanation has some merit. In the sense that head contact was a factor in previous suspensions. However, so far it has been only if the head is "primary" point or a "target". If this relatively minor head contact were truly the reason for Hagel's suspension, we should expect the NHL to start suspending for interference when there is only incidental head contact. That would be a major shift, so unlikely to just introduce this change without prior announcement and rule amendments.
 
That's clearly not true. He wasn't eligible to be checked, which is why it was an interference penalty.



Let's be clear, "just outside" is coming from you, not the ref. Ref assessed it a major btw, just like Hagels. And Hagel's hit also has ifs and buts if that's what you are looking for. If Barkov played the puck as he intended to, it would not have been a penalty.



People keep saying this, but nobody yet presented any explanation as to why this "major" difference is relevant to suspension. There is certainly nothing in the rule book.



Unlike that never eligible/not eligible hair splitting business, this explanation has some merit. In the sense that head contact was a factor in previous suspensions. However, so far it has been only if the head is "primary" point or a "target". If this relatively minor head contact were truly the reason for Hagel's suspension, we should expect the NHL to start suspending for interference when there is only incidental head contact. That would be a major shift, so unlikely to just introduce this change without prior announcement and rule amendments.
You are obviously unwilling to accept anything the league or anyone else states as to the very obvious reasons why the two hits were treated differently. You should probably just go back to the basement and feed your mom’s cats.
 
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