Tkachuk hit on Guentzel (no supplemental discipline)

[v00d00daddy]

Good call. Suspension isn’t deserved.

What IS deserved is Tkachuk being grabbed and asked to fight. If he says no or he turtles (I’m sure he will)… fine. But the refs should just put him and whoever it is that grabbed him into the penalty box for coincidental roughing minors

 

[ThunderRoad]

One player had touched the puck a second or two before the hit, the other last touched the puck 30+ feet from where he was hit. This isn't complicated why one was a suspension and the other was not.

Misleading though. In real time, I thought Barkov got his stick on the puck like he was trying to do. He missed but the video had to be slowed down to actually see that. So, yes, Hagel hit him when he hadn’t contacted the puck, but that was exactly what Barkov was trying to do (and very likely what Hagel’s thought process was - he touched the puck I can hit him). So penalty, yes, discretionary reason to suspend Hagel is weak and inconsistent explanation.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Honestly Hagel suspension should have been 2 games.

Give me 1 game suspension for a Tkachuk.

 

[TotalHomer]

The best thing about conspiracy theories is that they change to fit whatever narrative you need whenever you need, so you're never wrong! It's like Mad Libs.

I'm just glad we have HF posters who are the source of objective truth and can correct the DOPS when they make a mistake. What a blessing.

 

[Beezeral]

Misleading though. In real time, I thought Barkov got his stick on the puck like he was trying to do. He missed but the video had to be slowed down to actually see that. So, yes, Hagel hit him when he hadn’t contacted the puck, but that was exactly what Barkov was trying to do (and very likely what Hagel’s thought process was - he touched the puck I can hit him). So penalty, yes, discretionary reason to suspend Hagel is weak and inconsistent explanation.

It was pretty clear the entire time that Barkov never touched the puck. The person with the best view was Hagel who was trailing the play. The issue was that Hagel's eyes never left Barkov. He was lining him up from the blue line in and made the decision well before McDonagh won the foot race to the puck. There's a reason you never see hits like that one.

There's also a reason the NHL completely ignored his excuse that he "thought" Barkov touched the puck.

 

[behemolari]

It was pretty clear the entire time that Barkov never touched the puck. The person with the best view was Hagel who was trailing the play. The issue was that Hagel's eyes never left Barkov. He was lining him up from the blue line in and made the decision well before McDonagh won the foot race to the puck. There's a reason you never see hits like that one.

There's also a reason the NHL completely ignored his excuse that he "thought" Barkov touched the puck.

the way bolts fans are twisting it makes think tampa bay must be full of thought crimes

 

[snag]

Good call. Suspension isn’t deserved.

What IS deserved is Tkachuk being grabbed and asked to fight. If he says no or he turtles (I’m sure he will)… fine. But the refs should just put him and whoever it is that grabbed him into the penalty box for coincidental roughing minors

Agreed....they should lock them up in the same box

 

[SnakeIdol]

Something being ignored by a certain fanbase is how one player was making a hockey play down a single goal. The other blindsided someone behind several goals late with only the intent to injure.

 

[theVladiator]

From my personal view, both Hagel's and Tkachuk's are 2 minute interference penalties. There could be an argument to give Tkachuk also a misconduct there, seeing as his transgression is clearly intended that way, just to stir things up. 5 minutes for each is also ok, kinda refs discretion there. 1 game each is a consideration if the league is starting to think about eliminating these types of hits. But suspend one and not the other? That's just very strange, one of those times where deciding not to suspend warrants a thorough explanation.

Anyhoo, trying to find the explanation I actually listened to Hagel's video explanation from DOPS, and I found DOPS explanation kind of funny. In conclusion, the video states that Hagel was suspended because the hit was "of sufficient force to warrant a suspension".

So, Hagel was suspended for hitting too hard.

 

[Ratsreign]

Something being ignored by a certain fanbase is how one player was making a hockey play down a single goal. The other blindsided someone behind several goals late with only the intent to injure.

It isn’t ignored at all.
We just realize a 5 minute major and a game misconduct was sufficient penalty for the play.

 

[Beneven Stanciano]

Something being ignored by a certain fanbase is how one player was making a hockey play down a single goal. The other blindsided someone behind several goals late with only the intent to injure.

One touched the puck and one didn't. If you play the puck even with 0:2 seconds left you can still be hit legally. What was the hockey play, to blow up a player who never touched the puck? Is it ok to run guys over when they play pick-interference? Hagel is a professional at what he does, he knew Barkov didn't touch the puck. He had a flare up outside the rules, since Barkov never played the puck(fact). Guenztel DID play the puck and then forgot the game was still happening?

I get the posturing because playoffs and emotion but honestly, figure it out boys.

 

[Beneven Stanciano]

From my personal view, both Hagel's and Tkachuk's are 2 minute interference penalties. There could be an argument to give Tkachuk also a misconduct there, seeing as his transgression is clearly intended that way, just to stir things up. 5 minutes for each is also ok, kinda refs discretion there. 1 game each is a consideration if the league is starting to think about eliminating these types of hits. But suspend one and not the other? That's just very strange, one of those times where deciding not to suspend warrants a thorough explanation.

Anyhoo, trying to find the explanation I actually listened to Hagel's video explanation from DOPS, and I found DOPS explanation kind of funny. In conclusion, the video states that Hagel was suspended because the hit was "of sufficient force to warrant a suspension".

So, Hagel was suspended for hitting too hard.

A late hit is different than greasing a guy who never touched the puck.

 

[bicboi64]

From my personal view, both Hagel's and Tkachuk's are 2 minute interference penalties. There could be an argument to give Tkachuk also a misconduct there, seeing as his transgression is clearly intended that way, just to stir things up. 5 minutes for each is also ok, kinda refs discretion there. 1 game each is a consideration if the league is starting to think about eliminating these types of hits. But suspend one and not the other? That's just very strange, one of those times where deciding not to suspend warrants a thorough explanation.

Anyhoo, trying to find the explanation I actually listened to Hagel's video explanation from DOPS, and I found DOPS explanation kind of funny. In conclusion, the video states that Hagel was suspended because the hit was "of sufficient force to warrant a suspension".

So, Hagel was suspended for hitting too hard.

This is why the DoPS is so full of shit. It's one thing if they focused on Barkov not having the puck but they clearly didn't state that as a factor important enough to be in the conclusion. Based off that, Tkachuk should be suspended too using their own backwards logic.

 

[AvroArrow]

This is why the DoPS is so full of shit. It's one thing if they focused on Barkov not having the puck but they clearly didn't state that as a factor important enough to be in the conclusion. Based off that, Tkachuk should be suspended too using their own backwards logic.

It's Colin Campbell, never forget this guy basically threatening the referees to call games in his Son's favor or making sure they didn't call penalties against him. He had a vendetta with Marc Savard and let Matt Cooke basically end his career without being punished for it.

One's gotta think, his son is AGM of Florida now, conflict of interest ? Seems likely, everything would make sense.

 

[behemolari]

Something being ignored by a certain fanbase is how one player was making a hockey play down a single goal. The other blindsided someone behind several goals late with only the intent to injure.

It doesnt work like that, every other hit has intent to injure and every hit will potentially injure opponent. Game score wont have factor at all either, if there is second left in the game its same as second from the start.

Also, your feelings does not matter either, rules are read by DoPS literally as they are written not scaled to context.

 

[Gizmoskevich]

It's Colin Campbell, never forget this guy basically threatening the referees to call games in his Son's favor or making sure they didn't call penalties against him. He had a vendetta with Marc Savard and let Matt Cooke basically end his career without being punished for it.

One's gotta think, his son is AGM of Florida now, conflict of interest ? Seems likely, everything would make sense.

Too bad daddy Campbell didn’t help us out when Greg played here, sounds like we didn’t have to suck for those years.

 

[Beezeral]

Something being ignored by a certain fanbase is how one player was making a hockey play down a single goal. The other blindsided someone behind several goals late with only the intent to injure.

It's not a hockey play to hit a player who never had the puck.

It doesnt work like that, every other hit has intent to injure and every hit will potentially injure opponent. Game score wont have factor at all either, if there is second left in the game its same as second from the start.

Also, your feelings does not matter either, rules are read by DoPS literally as they are written not scaled to context.

you are forgetting that the DoPS video mentions numerous times that Barkov never had the puck. That's why there was a suspension.

 

[ThunderRoad]

One touched the puck and one didn't. If you play the puck even with 0:2 seconds left you can still be hit legally. What was the hockey play, to blow up a player who never touched the puck? Is it ok to run guys over when they play pick-interference? Hagel is a professional at what he does, he knew Barkov didn't touch the puck. He had a flare up outside the rules, since Barkov never played the puck(fact). Guenztel DID play the puck and then forgot the game was still happening?

I get the posturing because playoffs and emotion but honestly, figure it out boys.

The Hagel/Barkov play was closer than making it out to be. The puck wasn’t 30 ft away or other side of the ice. Barkov was going for the puck but McDonagh beat him to it. But Barkov was reaching for it. Play isn’t happening in slow motion on the ice. Tampa was down a goal and on a PP. Hagel made a miscalculation but he wouldn’t have been trying to take his team off the PP. Hagel got punished for his mistake on the ice since Barkov didn’t make contact but it should have ended there.

 

[AvroArrow]

Too bad daddy Campbell didn’t help us out when Greg played here, sounds like we didn’t have to suck for those years.

I think the entire team was bad that time though, like he was a depth guy. I don't think you guys were making the playoffs back then.

 

[ThunderRoad]

It's not a hockey play to hit a player who never had the puck.

you are forgetting that the DoPS video mentions numerous times that Barkov never had the puck. That's why there was a suspension.

That’s not an explanation for a suspension. That’s the explanation for why it’s an interference call. There is no rule that an interference call warrants a suspension. Hagel didn’t leave his feet and hit Barkov shoulder to shoulder. He hit him hard but didn’t contact the head. If he had, then that could be discretion to suspend. When’s the last time a player got suspended for interference hit like that when head wasn’t contacted? 5 min majors aren’t even common for interference.

 

[Beezeral]

That’s not an explanation for a suspension. That’s the explanation for why it’s an interference call. There is no rule that an interference call warrants a suspension. Hagel didn’t leave his feet and hit Barkov shoulder to shoulder. He hit him hard but didn’t contact the head. If he had, then that could be discretion to suspend. When’s the last time a player got suspended for interference hit like that when head wasn’t contacted? 5 min majors aren’t even common for interference.

When was the last time a player was hit that last touched the puck 30+ feet from where he was hit? Watch the DoPS video again. It's mentioned numerous times that Hagel was suspended because he hit a player who never had possession of the puck. The NHL had to crack down on that because you now put precedent out there that you can blow up any player who is merely in the vicinity of the puck with the worst case scenario being a 5 minute major and no game misconduct. Just make sure principal point of contact isn't the head and you get a free shot with minimal reprocussions.

 

[behemolari]

It's not a hockey play to hit a player who never had the puck.

you are forgetting that the DoPS video mentions numerous times that Barkov never had the puck. That's why there was a suspension.

I just left that out, of course these cases are not even comparable

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

When was the last time a player was hit that last touched the puck 30+ feet from where he was hit? Watch the DoPS video again. It's mentioned numerous times that Hagel was suspended because he hit a player who never had possession of the puck. The NHL had to crack down on that because you now put precedent out there that you can blow up any player who is merely in the vicinity of the puck with the worst case scenario being a 5 minute major and no game misconduct. Just make sure principal point of contact isn't the head and you get a free shot with minimal reprocussions.

But it is alright to change direction and charge player when the puck is long gone. It is exactly the same.

 

[Beezeral]

But it is alright to change direction and charge player when the puck is long gone. It is exactly the same.

The NHL already told you that the situations are different. Most reputable pundits agree with that logic. So at this point you are in an extreme minority who thinks these cases are the same.

 

[ThunderRoad]

When was the last time a player was hit that last touched the puck 30+ feet from where he was hit? Watch the DoPS video again. It's mentioned numerous times that Hagel was suspended because he hit a player who never had possession of the puck. The NHL had to crack down on that because you now put precedent out there that you can blow up any player who is merely in the vicinity of the puck with the worst case scenario being a 5 minute major and no game misconduct. Just make sure principal point of contact isn't the head and you get a free shot with minimal reprocussions.

Barkov was there going for the puck, he missed it, but he wasn’t far away from the puck, which is what it sounds like when you said he last touched it 30+ feet away- like the puck was at center ice and he was near the net (when contact was made). He was racing for the puck trying to beat McDonagh to it, and McDonagh just beat him out (and that was only clear when slowed down on replay). If it was about setting a precedent for not hitting a player in the vicinity of the puck and ensuring you don’t go for the head, multiple players would get suspended nightly.