Tkachuk hit on Guentzel (no supplemental discipline)

[StrangeVision]

Panthers fans for sure aren't the brightest or most knowledgeable, but they've got spirit.

It's kind of adorable.

I mean, you say that, but by all indications you are wrong about this situation. Commentators are saying it shouldn't be a suspension, the NHL says it shouldn't be a suspension, neutral fans are saying it shouldn't be a suspension. I respect the passion, but there's not much to support the idea that you are correct. Most of the people who say it should be a suspension seems to be people who have a rooting interest in Tampa winning.

The Hagel hit and Tkachuk hit were different, that's something you'll either have to accept or stay in denial about. Good luck with whatever path you choose.

 

[behemolari]

It was not worthy of a suspension is the whole point. Hagel could make the assumption he got his stick on the puck and he’s fair game. He was wrong but it was a bang-bang play. Panthers got the major out of it, when it was a one goal game that could have iced it there. That should have been end of punishment.

Tkachuk hit an unsuspecting guy that could have caused injury especially with the way Jake fell. He did it intentionally when there was nothing to gain as the game was unreachable at that point.

Again neither should be a suspension but the league made it an issue the day before. One guy missing getting his stick on the puck and the other having made contact shouldn’t be such a vast difference to justify a suspension.

you mean rules dont follow logic, thats hockey yes

 

[Master P]

I mean, you say that, but by all indications you are wrong about this situation. Commentators are saying it shouldn't be a suspension, the NHL says it shouldn't be a suspension, neutral fans are saying it shouldn't be a suspension. I respect the passion, but there's not much to support the idea that you are correct. Most of the people who say it should be a suspension seems to be people who have a rooting interest in Tampa winning.

The Hagel hit and Tkachuk hit were different, that's something you'll either have to accept or stay in denial about. Good luck with whatever path you choose.

Thats the spirit!

 

[VinikToWinIt]

Lol. Lmao, even.

 

[ThunderRoad]

you mean rules dont follow logic, thats hockey yes

Since there isn’t a rule to suspend when a major for interference is called, and it’s up for discretion, the discretion should be neither warranted it.

 

[Ratsreign]

Embarrassing double standard as usual to enable Florida. The only reason they reached the Finals in either season.

Lmaolol,yeah it’s this....
...and not the simple fact that Barkov never possessed the puck and was never eligible to be hit, while Guentzal was hit as he watched his pass travel towards its target.

But go on with your conspiracy theory

 

[Ratsreign]

had being a key word there.

...while the key word in the Hagel defense is “if”

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

I'm coming in after the fact, haven't read majority of the thread beyond the first page, and just viewed this video, followed up by the previous Hagel video (league explanation), but this one looks like 2 min for interference, at most. Only saw it in slow-mo, so a little harder to judge how late the check was, but there is zero head contact and I don't really get a claim of intent to injure. Seems the only reason this may have even gotten a 5 min penalty was due to the vaguely similar hit in the previous game.

And the Hagel hit, I can sort of understand the 5-min, as it does appear there might have been a little bit of head contact, though even in the league video, I didn't see a 100% conclusive angle. I think the suspension was still surprising, as the league usually seems to err in the other direction. But of course that's the worst part about DoPS is they are so inconsistent.

But just comparing the two hits, the Hagel hit was the more dangerous, partially involved the head, and was against a player who hadn't played the puck.

 

[ThunderRoad]

There was no head contact on either.

 

[aylib]

Moving on.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

It was way late tho and if that's ok then we can do that too.

You already did!!!

 

[Ratsreign]

I'm coming in after the fact, haven't read majority of the thread beyond the first page, and just viewed this video, followed up by the previous Hagel video (league explanation), but this one looks like 2 min for interference, at most. Only saw it in slow-mo, so a little harder to judge how late the check was, but there is zero head contact and I don't really get a claim of intent to injure. Seems the only reason this may have even gotten a 5 min penalty was due to the vaguely similar hit in the previous game.

And the Hagel hit, I can sort of understand the 5-min, as it does appear there might have been a little bit of head contact, though even in the league video, I didn't see a 100% conclusive angle. I think the suspension was still surprising, as the league usually seems to err in the other direction. But of course that's the worst part about DoPS is they are so inconsistent.

But just comparing the two hits, the Hagel hit was the more dangerous, partially involved the head, and was against a player who hadn't played the puck.

I think that They didn’t give Hagel the game misconduct, only a 5 for interference. I wonder if they had done that if league would have considered it over with and not added any discipline.

 

[bigdaddio]

no suspension because no hit to the head, just a bad penality jeez cmon guys know your stuff

Hagel didn't hit anybody in the head either and was much less late. His crime was he thought Barkov was going to play the puck but he didn't in a 1-0 game with 10 minutes left. thcachuk stopped and changed directions to make a violent hit, very late, when he could clearly see the puck going into the empty net while losing 4-1 with 5 minutes left.

One was a mistake and deserved the major. The other was deliberate head hunting and deserved a suspension. But surely if Hagel gets suspended then shit head should have as well.

 

[Summer Rose]

I think that They didn’t give Hagel the game misconduct, only a 5 for interference. I wonder if they had done that if league would have considered it over with and not added any discipline.

This is correct. Hagel was not assessed a game misconduct on top of his major penalty. The rules state that a game misconduct must be tacked on if the play results in an injury, but apparently the referees thought that getting pulled for concussion protocol was not enough to warrant defining him as "injured."

 

[Ratsreign]

Hagel didn't hit anybody in the head either and was much less late. His crime was he thought Barkov was going to play the puck but he didn't in a 1-0 game with 10 minutes left. thcachuk stopped and changed directions to make a violent hit, very late, when he could clearly see the puck going into the empty net while losing 4-1 with 5 minutes left.

One was a mistake and deserved the major. The other was deliberate head hunting and deserved a suspension. But surely if Hagel gets suspended then shit head should have as well.

“deliberate head hunting”

 

[TatteredTornNFrayed]

Hmmm, upon further review, first time I viewed the Tkachuk hit, I didn't notice the net was empty. and Tkachuck clearly making a play that he knows is irrelevant to the outcome. So having seen that now, I don't have a problem with this one being a 5 either, and I can kind of see the reason for the arguments from TB side, as the 2 or 5 min penalty don't matter and a suspension might actually make some sense, as it's an unnecessary hit after the game is decided.

So, I hope both teams lose this series.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Since there isn’t a rule to suspend when a major for interference is called, and it’s up for discretion, the discretion should be neither warranted it.

They make up the rules as they go.

 

[logan5]

First off, it was a cowardly super late blindside hit, where the player should not expect to get hit, and secondly, because of that cowardly hit, the player hit his head on the ice, so it should be viewed as a hit to the head. Given those 2 factors, Matthew Tkachuk will receive a 2 game suspension. Signed Brendan Shanahan - Department of Player Safety.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

“deliberate head hunting”

Changing direction to hit a guy long after the puck was gone should be considered attempt to injure.

 

[Mattb124]

I really think the only reason they suspended Hagel (which I thought was worth 2) was because the zebras ignored the rule that said if a 5 minute interference call caused an injury it is an ejection by rule.

This is a pretty standard 2 minute interference call though. The type that starts a scrum afterwards because it’s cheap, but nothing more.

My personal opinion is they gave Tkachuk a 5 min major primarily for game management/to keep him off the ice for the remainder of the game. If it was earlier in the game or the score was closer, that would have been a 2-minute interference minor and nothing more. Guentzel was eligible to be checked, Tkachuk did not contact his head, and the hit was through the center of the body. The only reason it was a penalty is it was <.5 seconds late. To contrast, the 5-minute major for Hagel was clearly the correct call as Barkov was not eligible to be checked, Hagel made significant head contact, and the hit resulted in an injury.

What makes it all the funnier is that some posters still think that the Hagel and Tkachuk hits were largely the same (some even "exactly" the same), that the punishments should have been the same, and the fact they weren't is an indication of NHL/DOPS bias. The only thing it is an indication of is that some people can’t be trusted to accurately assess hockey plays or understand the NHL's rules.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

My personal opinion is they gave Tkachuk a 5 min major primarily for game management/to keep him off the ice for the remainder of the game. If it was earlier in the game or the score was closer, that would have been a 2-minute interference minor and nothing more. Guentzel was eligible to be checked, Tkachuk did not contact his head, and the hit was through the center of the body. The only reason it was a penalty is it was <.5 seconds late. To contrast, the 5-minute major for Hagel was clearly the correct call as Barkov was not eligible to be checked, Hagel made significant head contact, and the hit resulted in an injury.

What makes it all the funnier is that some posters still think that the Hagel and Tkachuk hits were largely the same (some even "exactly" the same), that the punishments should have been the same, and the fact they weren't is an indication of NHL/DOPS bias. The only thing it is an indication of is that some people can be trusted to accurately assess hockey plays or understand the NHL's rules.

They were the same or really Tkachuk's was worse. Anyone with a brain can see that the rulings are made to benefit whatever team is the flavor of the month.

 

[Dust]

I figured a game would be warranted because of the context of when this happened during the game. If this hit happens in the 1st period of a close game, there's no need for supplemental discipline. Because this happened late in the 3rd of a game that was already decided, 5 minutes isn't of much consequence. Tampa is up 5-1, what does a 5 minute powerplay do for them?

 

[Boyon90]

Hagel didn't hit anybody in the head either and was much less late. His crime was he thought Barkov was going to play the puck but he didn't in a 1-0 game with 10 minutes left. thcachuk stopped and changed directions to make a violent hit, very late, when he could clearly see the puck going into the empty net while losing 4-1 with 5 minutes left.

One was a mistake and deserved the major. The other was deliberate head hunting and deserved a suspension. But surely if Hagel gets suspended then shit head should have as well.

look, I will say this only once

go look at the nhl review of the hit

some contact with the head was made

end of the line

 

[FinlandPanther]

Holy bad take, Just a troll for the sake of it aren't you?

He’s been pretty awful in our series.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Lucky is the word.

“Lucky” lmaoooooo. You got absolutely destroyed last season in every game. Blew up your franchise too after that. Sorry about that!