Rants Mulliniks
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Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren
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hector morrison
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I think the sole reson that Lily doesn't get a spot is because Sandin is better. However,I'm not a Marincin fan ,or a Harpur fan and I'm not impressed with many others...I did like the Gravel lad though(if a stay at home type with some jam is needed) So,I feel that Lily should get a look as well.
Sandin,is obviously ready to see the next level,but as a 5/6 maybe they don't want him in that role...maybe wait till Barrie is gone as it's fore-cast that he cannot re-signed. At any rate it would be interesting to see some new lads play!
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in some stretches, maybe. But Sandin has 38 points in 57 games, and Lilly has 41 in 120. Sandin clearly looks a tier above offensively to me, and has shown better at camp so far
Rants Mulliniks
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Ever notice how points is the only thing ever brought up when people compare Sandin to Liljegren? Liljegren was the better, more dominant player.
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I have never watched a Marlie game in my life so I'll take your word for it
CabanaBoy5
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I watched alot of Marlie games and although Lily was good, Sandin just looked better. Better poise, skating, passing, etc. He was prone to making more mistakes than Lily though but he was younger and learning to play against men in the AHL.
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You may be misunderstanding. The poster I quoted said Sandin WAS dominant and basically far better in the AHL. That is true only of his offense. I am not saying Sandin might not do better over the long haul. I grow tired of people's obsession with offense, moreso when we have tons of it. I am also not a fan of appeals to authority, especially in an industry where your hiring has zero to do with ability but how well connected you are. Let's keep in mind, these are the same people who refuse to lean on our guns.
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There are different paths for every player, and seeing as how Lilj was a first round pick he most certainly will eventually get a call up to see what he’s got.
Sandin has simply been more of a factor this preseason. Yes, Babs loves him and that’s all you really need sometime, while Lilj has simply not been given a chance this preseason. Whether to blame Babs for that or not wouldn’t necessarily be fair as maybe Dubas already told him the long range plan for Lilj is to work every day with Keefe on the Marlies and get 1st pairing usage in every situation, ES PP and PK.
No reason to rush the kid, when injuries have sorta limited him the last couple years, not to mention being behind Rosen last year for big PP minutes.
Personally, from what I’ve seen this preseason he’s been steady and solid both positionally and with the puck on his stick.
It’s possible with our current roster the front office would rather not have a pair of rookies on defence.
Sandin has simply been more of a factor this preseason. Yes, Babs loves him and that’s all you really need sometime, while Lilj has simply not been given a chance this preseason. Whether to blame Babs for that or not wouldn’t necessarily be fair as maybe Dubas already told him the long range plan for Lilj is to work every day with Keefe on the Marlies and get 1st pairing usage in every situation, ES PP and PK.
No reason to rush the kid, when injuries have sorta limited him the last couple years, not to mention being behind Rosen last year for big PP minutes.
Personally, from what I’ve seen this preseason he’s been steady and solid both positionally and with the puck on his stick.
It’s possible with our current roster the front office would rather not have a pair of rookies on defence.
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What stats would you like to see? Because in my limited viewings, and I emphasize limited, Sandin had a much better overall game. Physically, smarts, puck moving etc. Not just points, that shouldn't be the gauge here. And this is coming from someone who loved the Liljegren pick and was meh on the Sandin pick. I have high expectations for Liljegren and he was always a project but I wouldn't have expected that he'd need at least another year in the AHL at this point. I thought he'd be in contention for the #6 spot. Right now, hes not even close even with Dermott out. Is he even in the top 10 on the depth chart going into the season?
I think Sandin coming in and looking so poised and comfortable to play the cerebral game he's best at is making Liljegren look much worse than he is. Although Sandin makes most of our defenders look sort of boring, kids incredibly gifted for a late 1st pick.
If Sandin wasn't in the picture I'm sure we'd be content with how Liljegren is progressing and he'd be the one making the team. I think we all hoped Liljegren would show a little of what Sandin has shown by now but he's had his setbacks and will be useful a few years from now I'm sure.
A safe, steady defender is fine, (like a Stralman or Gunnarsson), hopefully Liljegren can continue to improve and become a reliable defender but Sandin has certainly passed him and I don't think many expected it at first, we're sure grateful though!
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Liljegren is a different type of defenseman to Sandin.
He needs more time to develop his game
He needs more time to develop his game
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Sandin trumps Liljegren on hockey sense alone. This preseason Sandin always seems to have an idea of what he should be doing, where he should be facing and where he should be going next. I'm pretty sure if you put them through some difficult skating and passing drills they'd come out fairly even. Once you've developed the abilities, the next step is in the head.
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Rants Mulliniks
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He's both had a better pre-season plus been given opportunity to shine? You've seen his pairings? Has no bearing on the AHL past.
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I said before Sandin is the better offensive player, and Lilly is the better defensive player, and i'm sticking by that.
This was evident in the AHL last season, and for the most part this pre season.
Sandin obviously outplayed Lilly in the pre season, but Babcock never gave Lilly much of a chance. When you take everything into account, Lilly had fine in training camp, and he is not worse then guys like Holl, Harpur, Schmaltz.
If Lilly isn't ready right now, he is pretty close.
Also everyone can we stop with choosing sides on the 2 players. We have 2 potential top 4 defenceman who bring different skillsets. Sandin taking such an unexpected step quickly, doesn't mean Lilly isn't good.
Lilly is developing nicely as well.
This was evident in the AHL last season, and for the most part this pre season.
Sandin obviously outplayed Lilly in the pre season, but Babcock never gave Lilly much of a chance. When you take everything into account, Lilly had fine in training camp, and he is not worse then guys like Holl, Harpur, Schmaltz.
If Lilly isn't ready right now, he is pretty close.
Also everyone can we stop with choosing sides on the 2 players. We have 2 potential top 4 defenceman who bring different skillsets. Sandin taking such an unexpected step quickly, doesn't mean Lilly isn't good.
Lilly is developing nicely as well.
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If we are looking at the depth when healthy,
Rielly
Barrie
Muzzin
Ceci
Dermott
Sandin
Marincin
Lilly
At worst, Lilly is #8.
Rielly
Barrie
Muzzin
Ceci
Dermott
Sandin
Marincin
Lilly
At worst, Lilly is #8.
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I would put Lily above Marincin and possibly Sandin depending entirely on usage. Sandin has the highest ceiling
i really liked what i saw tonight, his skating was strong and kept up with opponents, he competed well in the d zone and was steady with his decisions and overall play...he can already make passes and little skilled plays around the ice that marincin, schmaltz and harpur cant...hes going back down cause you cant have him sit and not play, but he could be our 6-7 guy later on in the season
Man Bear Pig
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Currently, they're of a similar caliber. Obviously in a few years that'll dramatically change.
CelticDruid
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The best thing for Lily is that he gets away from the glare of Sandin and focuses on his own confidence. I'm sure he will eventually come around into his own in the future.
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