Proposal: Timo Meier to Carolina

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Meier is gonna be able to demand a $10M+ AAV on his next contract because of that QO

Meier is a great winger, but I am highly skeptical that he gets his $10 million QO. My guess is that if a team trades for him (or if he stays in San Jose) a long term contract brings that number more in line with what a 30 goal/75 point could make. But my logic could just as easily go out the window given the rising cap.

Regardless, I believe the Canes would either have to send some salary back or shed some salary to make it work even for this season.
 
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Seems like every Timo Meier proposal I've seen has him going to the Devils but I don't really think there's a great fit there beyond the Hischier connection.

On the other hand, Timo would fit the Hurricanes like a glove. When he's at his best he's playing a fast, direct, north-south game and generating shots from everywhere (on pace for 400+ shots and 700+ shot attempts this season). He already plays Rod Brind'Amour hockey to a tee.

He also fits within the age range of their other core forwards like Aho, Teravainen, Necas, etc. and the Hurricanes will have something like $30 million in cap space this summer if they want to extend him. The fact they were interested in Matthew Tkachuk suggests to me they would also value Meier.

In terms of a return I would want Carolina's 2023 1st and Alexander Nikishin but I'm guessing they don't want to give him up. Who's the best prospect the Sharks could realistically land (in addition to the 23 1st) for Meier? Is Scott Morrow in play for a trade like this?

Potential healthy playoff forward lines for the Canes after this deal:

Meier - Aho - Teravainen
Svech - Kotkaniemi - Necas
Pacioretty - Staal - Jarvis
Martinook - Stastny - Fast

Easily the deepest forward group in the conference, if not the league. The fourth line would be a decent third line and the third line is better than most second lines.
Kotkaniemi isn’t progressing, Stastny has really pan out but is good for 4th line… They should be looking to add Toews or ROR even Monahan to fill that 2C it might be less expensive and have more impact.
If Kotkaniemi isn’t going the other way you can play him on the wing on the 3rd line.
 

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Kotkaniemi isn’t progressing, Stastny has really pan out but is good for 4th line… They should be looking to add Toews or ROR even Monahan to fill that 2C it might be less expensive and have more impact.
If Kotkaniemi isn’t going the other way you can play him on the wing on the 3rd line.
Stastny is definitely NOT good for the 4th line. He and Stepan are both so slow and old that that line offers nothing. No energy, no threat of scoring, no real defensive ability.
 

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For the Canes, no he's just not really a good fit in my opinion, largely due to current team/cap structure. We have other wingers who are cheaper with upside. Meier is gonna be able to demand a $10M+ AAV on his next contract because of that QO. The Canes giving that to Meier in addition to assets for a trade just makes no sense. Canes have a bunch of core pieces in place, several of which will be needing extensions in the next few years. They need contributors on ELCs or cheaper RFA contracts to fill in the gaps which is where guys like Jarvis, Necas, Morrow, Nikishin come in (i.e. guys who could be the main pieces in a Meier trade). The fit isn't there. He's a good player and another team could give him that contract and be very happy, but not the Canes.
10M$ is on a one year QO he can leverage it to negotiate a bigger deal but he will likely sign long term contract with a AAV of under 10M$
 

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Kotkaniemi isn’t progressing, Stastny has really pan out but is good for 4th line… They should be looking to add Toews or ROR even Monahan to fill that 2C it might be less expensive and have more impact.
If Kotkaniemi isn’t going the other way you can play him on the wing on the 3rd line.
I don’t agree that Koko isn’t progressing. Offensively yes, he’s struggling with points but he’s playing within the system and I see improvement overall from him. It’s a slow play, and with 8 years there’s time for that.

I agree that the Canes need a 2C more than a wing, and that Meier’s contract situation is one the Canes aren’t likely to touch with a ten foot pole. If they can’t find a center, then yes maybe they keep bolstering the wing. Still don’t see a 10 qo being their thing.
 
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Seems like every Timo Meier proposal I've seen has him going to the Devils but I don't really think there's a great fit there beyond the Hischier connection.

On the other hand, Timo would fit the Hurricanes like a glove. When he's at his best he's playing a fast, direct, north-south game and generating shots from everywhere (on pace for 400+ shots and 700+ shot attempts this season). He already plays Rod Brind'Amour hockey to a tee.

He also fits within the age range of their other core forwards like Aho, Teravainen, Necas, etc. and the Hurricanes will have something like $30 million in cap space this summer if they want to extend him. The fact they were interested in Matthew Tkachuk suggests to me they would also value Meier.

In terms of a return I would want Carolina's 2023 1st and Alexander Nikishin but I'm guessing they don't want to give him up. Who's the best prospect the Sharks could realistically land (in addition to the 23 1st) for Meier? Is Scott Morrow in play for a trade like this?

Potential healthy playoff forward lines for the Canes after this deal:

Meier - Aho - Teravainen
Svech - Kotkaniemi - Necas
Pacioretty - Staal - Jarvis
Martinook - Stastny - Fast


Easily the deepest forward group in the conference, if not the league. The fourth line would be a decent third line and the third line is better than most second lines.
I really doubt that highlighted roster will work cap wise for this season, and we aren't moving our top 4 defensemen, or deHaan from the third pairing. At least, not for Meier. So, some forward and or Rantaa/Andersen, if Kochetkov continues to show he is 1G material, would be traded for salary reasons, and possibly we'd still need San Jose to have some retention for Meier depending on how much salary we dump. Also, Carolina won't make such a big trade for such a big player as just a rental; they'd only do it if they knew they'd extend him or if there was already an extension from San Jose.

IF we get Meier (which is a big if), I can see us not resigning Pacioretty after this season and especially if he doesn't take a discount. This would make future extensions with other players much more possible.

Personally, I wouldn't trade Morrow for Meier since he's pretty much a top tier prospect (or at least, certainly in our system currently), and once Burns retires or possibly plays for another team (I doubt it since he seems to like us and is steadily getting used to our system and developing chemistry and I think he'll only get better), we will need a top 4 RHD. Plus, there's the question/concern of whether Pesce, another RHD, resigns with us.

Admittedly, I'm less familiar with Nikishin than Morrow, and while I know some Canes fans that keep up with our prospects (more than myself) like him, I personally wouldn't be against trading him if we get Meier on an extension.

Finally, on a slightly different note, I agree with some of the talks in this topic about upgrading our 2C. However, I think Carolina will keep Koko as our 2C for at least the rest of this season to give him time to mature/develop with that higher responsibility (unless he really takes a nose dive in performance which I doubt will happen). So, it seems more likely we upgrade our top 6 wingers than upgrading our 2C while the Koko experiment continues.
 
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a 26 years old RFA top liner is no interest ,, contract is more then fine.
You're so full of shit. Any team in the league taking him has to offer QO, unless they agree to a deal before. QO means he is UFA next summer.
It's also "than".
 

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Much rather have Meier than ROR by a lot
I think with Patches coming back we are fine on wing with TT, Jarvis, Svech, Necas. I’d like to see some more help at C to make a big playoff run.

Max Pac - Aho - TT
Svech - ROR - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Fast
Jarvis/KK/Stastny/Stepan/Noesen/Drury
 

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I think with Patches coming back we are fine on wing with TT, Jarvis, Svech, Necas. I’d like to see some more help at C to make a big playoff run.

Max Pac - Aho - TT
Svech - ROR - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Fast
Jarvis/KK/Stastny/Stepan/Noesen/Drury
Seeing how much either player is going to cost, Meier is the better player to acquire for this season and for future seasons.
 
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goonybird

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Sharks should absolutely accept this.

Fair enough but it'll be difficult for the Devils to sign Bratt and Meier long term without negative ramifications to their cap structure down the line, especially if someone like Luke Hughes plays himself into a big second contract.
Not to hijack the thread but they could make it work. Severson on the third pairing is a "luxury". Lot of money coming off the books too.

I'm actually curious what SJS would want and what NJD would offer. Sharangovich is a nice but worse player. I'd probably start there and add what is needed. Who knows.
 

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