Proposal: Timo Meier to Carolina

[Hodge]

Seems like every Timo Meier proposal I've seen has him going to the Devils but I don't really think there's a great fit there beyond the Hischier connection.

On the other hand, Timo would fit the Hurricanes like a glove. When he's at his best he's playing a fast, direct, north-south game and generating shots from everywhere (on pace for 400+ shots and 700+ shot attempts this season). He already plays Rod Brind'Amour hockey to a tee.

He also fits within the age range of their other core forwards like Aho, Teravainen, Necas, etc. and the Hurricanes will have something like $30 million in cap space this summer if they want to extend him. The fact they were interested in Matthew Tkachuk suggests to me they would also value Meier.

In terms of a return I would want Carolina's 2023 1st and Alexander Nikishin but I'm guessing they don't want to give him up. Who's the best prospect the Sharks could realistically land (in addition to the 23 1st) for Meier? Is Scott Morrow in play for a trade like this?

Potential healthy playoff forward lines for the Canes after this deal:

Meier - Aho - Teravainen
Svech - Kotkaniemi - Necas
Pacioretty - Staal - Jarvis
Martinook - Stastny - Fast

Easily the deepest forward group in the conference, if not the league. The fourth line would be a decent third line and the third line is better than most second lines.

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[Lockin17]

Easily the deepest forward group in the conference, if not the league. The fourth line would be a decent third line and the third line is better than most second lines.

Besides Aho, the center line is trash ,,

Carolina should be looking to get a #2 center instead

 

[Smitty426]

You just described the devils (and then add the 2 countrymen are very good friends) look:
Timo would fit the Devils like a glove. When he's at his best he's playing a fast, direct, north-south game and generating shots from everywhere (on pace for 400+ shots and 700+ shot attempts this season). He already plays Lindy Ruff hockey to a tee.

He also fits within the age range of their other core forwards like Hishier, Bratt, Hughes, Marino, Siegenthaler, etc. and the Devils will have something like $27 million in cap space this summer if they want to extend him. The fact they were interested in Matthew Tkachuk suggests to me they would also value Meier.

 

[Unsustainable]

For Meier (preferably extended)

23 1st
Rees or Suzuki
Morrow

Meier is my fantasy add for the Canes

 

[BruinLVGA]

You just described the devils (and then add the 2 countrymen are very good friends) look:
Timo would fit the Devils like a glove. When he's at his best he's playing a fast, direct, north-south game and generating shots from everywhere (on pace for 400+ shots and 700+ shot attempts this season). He already plays Lindy Ruff hockey to a tee.

He also fits within the age range of their other core forwards like Hishier, Bratt, Hughes, Marino, Siegenthaler, etc. and the Devils will have something like $27 million in cap space this summer if they want to extend him. The fact they were interested in Matthew Tkachuk suggests to me they would also value Meier.

Just nitpicking, but Siegenthaler and Marino aren‘t “core forwards“, obviously.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Besides Aho, the center line is trash ,,

Carolina should be looking to get a #2 center instead

Overall I kinda agree. Staal is an excellent 3C, great defensively, always dominant possession wise and still faces top competition an does well, but I agree with you on the 2C.

Move Necas to C and Kotkaniemi to the 4th line and it looks a lot better IMO.

Meier-Aho-Teravainen
Svechnikov-Necas-Jarvis
Pacioretty-Staal-Fast
Martinook-Kotkaniemi-Stastny/Stepan/Noesen

Can Necas play reliably at C though? that's the question since he's tearing it up at W.

 

[Hodge]

For Meier (preferably extended)

23 1st
Rees or Suzuki
Morrow

Meier is my fantasy add for the Canes

Sharks should absolutely accept this.

You just described the devils (and then add the 2 countrymen are very good friends) look:
Timo would fit the Devils like a glove. When he's at his best he's playing a fast, direct, north-south game and generating shots from everywhere (on pace for 400+ shots and 700+ shot attempts this season). He already plays Lindy Ruff hockey to a tee.

He also fits within the age range of their other core forwards like Hishier, Bratt, Hughes, Marino, Siegenthaler, etc. and the Devils will have something like $27 million in cap space this summer if they want to extend him. The fact they were interested in Matthew Tkachuk suggests to me they would also value Meier.

Fair enough but it'll be difficult for the Devils to sign Bratt and Meier long term without negative ramifications to their cap structure down the line, especially if someone like Luke Hughes plays himself into a big second contract.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Since the Canes love Skjei so much it is likely we would do Nikishin before Morrow. Skjei makes absorbing the loss easier. We are less set on the right side in the near future

 

[stevo61]

I think many teams would absolutely love to add Meier, as a fan of the Blue Jackets they are in dire need of guys with a skill set like Meier. That said mI think the 10mil QO is a bit of a concern though. I realize he likely signs a longterm deal for another amount but its still taken into consideration

 

[AfroThunder396]

Sharks should absolutely accept this.

Fair enough but it'll be difficult for the Devils to sign Bratt and Meier long term without negative ramifications to their cap structure down the line, especially if someone like Luke Hughes plays himself into a big second contract.

NJ has pretty much all of their core pieces locked up long term besides Bratt and a rapload of salary coming off the books this summer. Most will be replaced with cheaper ELC/RFA options.

tbh, future RFA contracts for guys that are not even in the NHL are not a concern for now. Teams like NYR and TB have shown that dumping contracts is not hard at all, and that's even if you don't factor in a cap that will likely explode within the next 3 years.

 

[AvStock]

Patches on the 3rd line? Yeah that doesn’t sound right…

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Good centers are scarcer than good wingers and more valuable as a result. On-ice, how much of a difference is there going to be if it's a PPG Winger - 40 Point Center - PPG Winger vs. 40 Point Winger - PPG Center - PPG Winger? The net talent is the same, but it's just structured differently. The modern game is F3 not necessarily center high in the offensive zone. Particularly relevant to Carolina, Necas has a tendency to loop back and attack with speed like a center 5v5 anyway.

If Kotkaniemi can be a just a meh 2C, a la prime Nick Bjugstad, I don't think he's an issue, if the winger group is really strong. Meier, Teravainen, Svechnikov, Pacioretty, Jarvis and Necas, with Fast and Martinook mixing in to the Top 9 as needed, would be just that.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

10 million dollar qualifier looms . Excellent player but very little reason to go much below that benchmark , which gives him tremendous leverage in negotiations. I personally think this should effect the return at least somewhat , however to some teams maybe that’s a palatable number .

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

Patches on the 3rd line? Yeah that doesn’t sound right…

Brindy doesn’t typically handle his lines like there’s a clear first, second, third etc.

Anyway, look who he’s behind in this example. You have an older guy who’s dealt with injuries the past few seasons behind a former second overall pick currently pacing for 50 goals and another guy who was a point per game player last year and already has 12 goals this season. Nothing about that seems questionable to me.

 

[Smitty426]

Just nitpicking, but Siegenthaler and Marino aren‘t “core forwards“, obviously.

sorry was going core (not just fwd, but you're right)

 

[TBF1972]

Overall I kinda agree. Staal is an excellent 3C, great defensively, always dominant possession wise and still faces top competition an does well, but I agree with you on the 2C.

Move Necas to C and Kotkaniemi to the 4th line and it looks a lot better IMO.

Meier-Aho-Teravainen
Svechnikov-Necas-Jarvis
Pacioretty-Staal-Fast
Martinook-Kotkaniemi-Stastny/Stepan/Noesen

Can Necas play reliably at C though? that's the question since he's tearing it up at W.

you included pacioretty in you line-up. what's the outlook for him?

 

[Smitty426]

Sharks should absolutely accept this.

Fair enough but it'll be difficult for the Devils to sign Bratt and Meier long term without negative ramifications to their cap structure down the line, especially if someone like Luke Hughes plays himself into a big second contract.

$24M coming off the books this summer. Some of it will go back to signing some. I think they walk from Blackwood, Maybe sign one of the 2 UFA defenders. Unless Bratt gets $10 per, I think it's doable. Lets hope we get to a place where Luke is having that much success, moving pieces is better than needing pcs IMO

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

you included pacioretty in you line-up. what's the outlook for him?

He’s already skating and reportedly ahead of schedule. Expectation is sometime in early January.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Nikishin and Morrow are not available in a Meier trade. Really, no interest in Meier considering his contract situation.

 

[Lockin17]

Nikishin and Morrow are not available in a Meier trade. Really, no interest in Meier considering his contract situation.

a 26 years old RFA top liner is no interest ,, contract is more then fine.

 

[Forge]

Just nitpicking, but Siegenthaler and Marino aren‘t “core forwards“, obviously.

Just you wait. In order to stay at the top, you have to do some zig zagging. Do the unexpected.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

a 26 years old RFA top liner is no interest ,, contract is more then fine.

For the Canes, no he's just not really a good fit in my opinion, largely due to current team/cap structure. We have other wingers who are cheaper with upside. Meier is gonna be able to demand a $10M+ AAV on his next contract because of that QO. The Canes giving that to Meier in addition to assets for a trade just makes no sense. Canes have a bunch of core pieces in place, several of which will be needing extensions in the next few years. They need contributors on ELCs or cheaper RFA contracts to fill in the gaps which is where guys like Jarvis, Necas, Morrow, Nikishin come in (i.e. guys who could be the main pieces in a Meier trade). The fit isn't there. He's a good player and another team could give him that contract and be very happy, but not the Canes.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I think the Leafs would have interest in Meier as well. I think there would be a pretty considerable bidding war

 

[Hodge]

For the Canes, no he's just not really a good fit in my opinion, largely due to current team/cap structure. We have other wingers who are cheaper with upside. Meier is gonna be able to demand a $10M+ AAV on his next contract because of that QO. The Canes giving that to Meier in addition to assets for a trade just makes no sense. Canes have a bunch of core pieces in place, several of which will be needing extensions in the next few years. They need contributors on ELCs or cheaper RFA contracts to fill in the gaps which is where guys like Jarvis, Necas, Morrow, Nikishin come in (i.e. guys who could be the main pieces in a Meier trade). The fit isn't there. He's a good player and another team could give him that contract and be very happy, but not the Canes.

I’m not saying they need to trade for Meier specifically but this is the kind of all-in move the Canes need to make if they’re serious about winning a Cup with this core.

In hindsight it’s baffling they weren’t willing to give up Jarvis or Necas in a package for Jack Eichel. He would have put them over the top. Meier is not on Eichel’s level but he is a legit first line forward in his prime and won’t cost anything close to Jarvis or Necas in terms of trade value.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I’m not saying they need to trade for Meier specifically but this is the kind of all-in move the Canes need to make if they’re serious about winning a Cup with this core.

In hindsight it’s baffling they weren’t willing to give up Jarvis or Necas in a package for Jack Eichel. He would have put them over the top. Meier is not on Eichel’s level but he is a legit first line forward in his prime and won’t cost anything close to Jarvis or Necas in terms of trade value.

If we could have known Eichel’s non standard surgery and him post operation would be so successful then it wouldn’t have been an issue.

A lot of risk in the trade. Hindsight is a great thing though.

At the same time a Meier move isn’t the same caliber as a Eichel move.