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Time to blow it up (with extreme prejudice)

LeafGrief

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It's over. We went "all in" at the deadline and we lost. We've gone "all in" several years in a row, in fact, and all we've got for the effort is the Globe and Mail calling the Leafs a humiliation fetish. No matter how many ways you skin this cat, this group doesn't work and cannot get it done.

What I am writing here is that letting Marner walk as a UFA is not enough. It does not cut out the rot, it is just the dead appendage that finally fell off the corpse. No, the whole core is rotten, and they are so rotten that all five of our "big guns" must go. The failure of this team demands a complete exorcism. This core, these players, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, and Rielly, they are FIRED. They do not play here any more, they no longer sell jerseys with their name on them. They are fired.

So many people will talk about the "value" of these guys. As if they're providing value when we need them to lol. But okay, they have value as assets and I'm proposing that it doesn't matter what we get for them. If the best offer we can get for Matthews is a 4th round pick from Utah, I say we take it, that's just how fired these guys are. It doesn't matter if we're trading these guys at their lowest, that's the cost of going all-in, and that's a cost that we should pay gladly.

I ask of you all, what is the value in getting these losers away from Matthew Knies, our lone bright spot and focus of hope? Do we want him to continue to learn from them?

What is the value in creating a culture of accountability amongst the players? We've replaced every single player around them multiple times. Three GM's. Three coaches. Yet these five guys are still here. Do you really want to keep trying with various configurations of three or four of them?

I tell you, the only value they have left is in their public executions and the value of what might grow from the ashes of this dumpster fire. That these men took this team to the woodshed in contract negotiations and then humiliated themselves annually in the most important games, is inexcusable and demands that they be pilloried. If by shipping the bums out (and a Rielly buyout) gets us only Future Considerations, I take that trade in a heartbeat because it puts us back on the path to a franchise that has dignity.

Frankly, the "value" that people are talking about is the value of being able to avoid fear. Fear of missing the playoffs, fear of years of futility, fear of watching Marner embarrass us when he comes to town in a Ducks jersey. Well guys, we're at the end of a decade of futility and Marner (and the other four) regularly embarrass us while wearing Leafs jerseys and I think that's worse. We fans stuck around through a decade of suck, but it's this core that has made my friends and family start throwing in their towels. What is there left to fear that this team does not already inflict on us every May? If Harry Potter can learn that the only thing to fear is fear itself, maybe we can too.

That we will regress without the big guns to lead us in the regular season, or that we even might miss the playoffs is irrelevant. That we have no first round picks until Marner's kid graduates high school is irrelevant. That the Bruins will get to pick Dougie Hamilton 2.0 with our pick is irrelevant. What is relevant is that these guys are fired and it is up to the team to pick up the pieces and move on. No more half measures, no more p***yfooting around the issue. It was time to pull the plug years ago and delaying has only made it worse. Time to pay the piper.

This team cannot again become a serious team until we have had an entirely fresh start. Fire each and every one of the core five.

Fire them with extreme prejudice.
 
We should rebuild but we wont

Sell AM34, WN88, MR44, tank for Gavin McKenna (we have our first top 10 protected in 2026) and sign 1 year UFA shrewd guys to prop up and bring in 2nd+3rds at the TDL

We should get a few core level assets for the 3 core guys dealt + top 3 pick in 2026.

Then 2027 if 97 is a UFA and willing to come home pursue him, if not then get next best UFAs to build a wildcard playoff team for a year or two to not give BOS and PHI high picks

By 2029-2030 McKenna + Matthews trades assets + Nylander Trade assets + Rielly trade assets + all other players moved assets (McCabe + Tanev + OEL +Domi etc) should be ready to build a competitive team around and that's when you fill remaining holes on roster with good UFAs
 
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im not against bringing back JT on a 3-4 million deal to play 3rd line winger now that ive had time to reflect, but no more center for him again unless its taking FOs.

but, 1st thing i would do would be trade rielly...2nd thing i would do is sign toews to a patches style deal since he clearly still wants to play, after that im open to pretty much anything.
 
We can't rebuild due to lack of picks. The best you can do is start moving on from Shanahan and the core within the bounds of contract limitations and stay afloat over the next 3 years.

Once we get our picks back the ONLY potential solution is a scorched-earth rebuild and all the pain that entails.
 
Impossible but worth a shot:

- Get sign-off from MLSE that anything is on the table (almost certainly not happening)
- With the D locked in and Matthews a few years away from potentially leaving, the window is 2-3 years max
- Call Dubas in Pittsburgh: 1) Will they consider trading Crosby 2) If so, will he waive to come to Toronto 3) What will it take to get it done
- In the extremely unlikely scenario Crosby comes to Toronto, slap the C on his jersey and go all-in for the next couple of years
- Failing that, see if Matthews will waive and for which team(s)? Call those teams and get it done. The return should focus on NHL players, not picks/prospects. As noted, the D is solid and they will have loads of cap space.
- Failing that, with Marner off the books focus everything building an elite 3rd line and an upgrade offensive d-man over Reilly.
 
Let's try to build around hockey players and less around Zoolander characters this time.

Thanks

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Do division winning teams ever rebuild?
Are division winners ever the laughingstock of the league?

Our goaltender and blueline are pretty good, but are not young. We don't have our own picks for a couple years, so there's no real point in trying a bottom out rebuild. Call it a retool, I call it an exorcism, the objective is to get these five clowns out of here and then ice the best team we can next year.
 
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Starting a rebuild when your missing your next 3 firsts isn’t common… Tre has been okay, but the knee jerk reaction to not only trade the 2026 pick but the 2027 pick as well should cement his legacy. No rebuild option available, no assets to improve the team. He gambled and saw this as an all in worthy team and lost. Only thing you can try at this point is a “hockey trade” involving one or a combination of Matthews, Rielly or Nylander. If we kept our firsts, I’d be all for a rebuild here
 
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It's over. We went "all in" at the deadline and we lost. We've gone "all in" several years in a row, in fact, and all we've got for the effort is the Globe and Mail calling the Leafs a humiliation fetish. No matter how many ways you skin this cat, this group doesn't work and cannot get it done.

What I am writing here is that letting Marner walk as a UFA is not enough. It does not cut out the rot, it is just the dead appendage that finally fell off the corpse. No, the whole core is rotten, and they are so rotten that all five of our "big guns" must go. The failure of this team demands a complete exorcism. This core, these players, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, and Rielly, they are FIRED. They do not play here any more, they no longer sell jerseys with their name on them. They are fired.

So many people will talk about the "value" of these guys. As if they're providing value when we need them to lol. But okay, they have value as assets and I'm proposing that it doesn't matter what we get for them. If the best offer we can get for Matthews is a 4th round pick from Utah, I say we take it, that's just how fired these guys are. It doesn't matter if we're trading these guys at their lowest, that's the cost of going all-in, and that's a cost that we should pay gladly.

I ask of you all, what is the value in getting these losers away from Matthew Knies, our lone bright spot and focus of hope? Do we want him to continue to learn from them?

What is the value in creating a culture of accountability amongst the players? We've replaced every single player around them multiple times. Three GM's. Three coaches. Yet these five guys are still here. Do you really want to keep trying with various configurations of three or four of them?

I tell you, the only value they have left is in their public executions and the value of what might grow from the ashes of this dumpster fire. That these men took this team to the woodshed in contract negotiations and then humiliated themselves annually in the most important games, is inexcusable and demands that they be pilloried. If by shipping the bums out (and a Rielly buyout) gets us only Future Considerations, I take that trade in a heartbeat because it puts us back on the path to a franchise that has dignity.

Frankly, the "value" that people are talking about is the value of being able to avoid fear. Fear of missing the playoffs, fear of years of futility, fear of watching Marner embarrass us when he comes to town in a Ducks jersey. Well guys, we're at the end of a decade of futility and Marner (and the other four) regularly embarrass us while wearing Leafs jerseys and I think that's worse. We fans stuck around through a decade of suck, but it's this core that has made my friends and family start throwing in their towels. What is there left to fear that this team does not already inflict on us every May? If Harry Potter can learn that the only thing to fear is fear itself, maybe we can too.

That we will regress without the big guns to lead us in the regular season, or that we even might miss the playoffs is irrelevant. That we have no first round picks until Marner's kid graduates high school is irrelevant. That the Bruins will get to pick Dougie Hamilton 2.0 with our pick is irrelevant. What is relevant is that these guys are fired and it is up to the team to pick up the pieces and move on. No more half measures, no more p***yfooting around the issue. It was time to pull the plug years ago and delaying has only made it worse. Time to pay the piper.

This team cannot again become a serious team until we have had an entirely fresh start. Fire each and every one of the core five.

Fire them with extreme prejudice.
I just don't see all 5. Dump Marner and Reilly and only bring back Tavares on a sweetheart deal. Then sign Marchand, Ekblad and Boeser. That's a major facelift.
 

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