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Time to abandon the President's Trophy?

Domestic rugby in New Zealand has a pretty cool thing as well, called the Ranfurly Shield, which I got reminded of because the stupid "NBA Cup" is just repackaged regular season games with only the final being an extra game they wouldn't otherwise just be playing anyway.

I'll spare you all the exact details but after being initially awarded to undefeated Auckland in 1902, it's basically just a challenge cup - all home matches played by the holders (except for playoff games) are shield defenses. The away team has to win the match to take it; a home victory (or a draw, although those aren't too common in rugby) results in the shield being retained by the holders. Those are normally just league matches that the team would otherwise be playing anyway. Since there are two levels of provincial rugby these days, the holders are required to play teams in the other level (in practice always held by a team in the top level, so they schedule matches against teams from the lower level that they never lose) to give them a chance to contest it. There's a little more to it than that, but I did say I'd spare you on those details because otherwise I have a penchant for long-winded rambling with going off on tangents.

It does have some prestige attached to it due to having such a long history, but I don't think you'll find very many people saying of the shield holders, "hey look, it's the best provincial rugby team in New Zealand!" Still a cool thing to have going for bragging rights though.
Thst sounds cool. Will have to look ot up.

The great thing about it is while it may not be the most prestigious or champion-defining, it adds a distinctive element to thr season.

Even something like a Derby Cup for rivals or a Canada Cup for all Cansdian teams.

The NHL doesn't necessarily have to have all 82 games be the same season series. They can break them into other components.

And they could probably even end up increasing revenue as some of those humdrum, 49th of 82 games take on a little more flavour
 
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Domestic rugby in New Zealand has a pretty cool thing as well, called the Ranfurly Shield, which I got reminded of because the stupid "NBA Cup" is just repackaged regular season games with only the final being an extra game they wouldn't otherwise just be playing anyway.

I'll spare you all the exact details but after being initially awarded to undefeated Auckland in 1902, it's basically just a challenge cup - all home matches played by the holders (except for playoff games) are shield defenses. The away team has to win the match to take it; a home victory (or a draw, although those aren't too common in rugby) results in the shield being retained by the holders. Those are normally just league matches that the team would otherwise be playing anyway. Since there are two levels of provincial rugby these days, the holders are required to play teams in the other level (in practice always held by a team in the top level, so they schedule matches against teams from the lower level that they never lose) to give them a chance to contest it. There's a little more to it than that, but I did say I'd spare you on those details because otherwise I have a penchant for long-winded rambling with going off on tangents.

It does have some prestige attached to it due to having such a long history, but I don't think you'll find very many people saying of the shield holders, "hey look, it's the best provincial rugby team in New Zealand!" Still a cool thing to have going for bragging rights though.
I've actually suggested a similar thing, I'd probably do it Divisionally, just to add a little extra meaning to some RS games.
 
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Plus they play one game a week. If the NA leagues did that the travel wouldn't be much of an issue.

But that is one of the things I like about soccer, they have more variety in terms of championships.

The NBA tried to capture that with the tournament they had but it's gimmicky when it is just a repackaged regular season
Not the top teams, during competition heavy months a team could play 3 games a week, and sometimes in other countries.
 
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Meh. The regular season is where 90% of fan enjoyment comes from for most teams. NHL should strive to make the regular season even better not devalue it further.
 
I have nothing against the NHL playoff format, but 82 regular season games is ridiculous just for figuring out the 16 teams and seeding for playoffs.

I dunno if it would be any better, but there's a lot of things that could be done to make regular season matter more. Like President's trophy winner getting to pick their opponent each round, or getting 10mil reward in both actual money and cap space for the next season, so winning it would give a real competitive advantage, or even starting all their playoff series 1 win up. Heck the latter could be made true for all series, so that the team that won the regular season series vs their opponent only needs to win 3 to advance, or just make it based on standings. Or just don't fix what is not broken, whatever :D
 
Every damn year when the President's Trophy winner doesn't win the Cup, this website is like

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Since 1986, the President's Trophy winner has gone on to win the Cup only 8 times, with only one of them coming from the Eastern Conference.

By contrast, teams who finished with the most points won the Cup more often when the President's Trophy wasn't a thing.

Is it time the NHL acknowledge that the President's Trophy is cursed and do away with it?
They’ll get rid of the “Presidents’ Trophy” in a few years when it’s renamed for Bettman after his retirement.
 
Any league with any sort of sanity should push back against the narrative that the regular season is meaningless. Having an 82 game seeding tournament isn't interesting for anyone other than the four or five teams on the bubble. The Cup will always be the real prize, but the regular season desperately needs more interest. We barely even get any rivalry games any more.

Don't worry about this Leafs fan complaining that the regular season is meaningless, it's not like we win that either or won't find a way to choke if we get close.
 
MLB, NFL and NBA (until stupidly adding one a couple years ago) have no such trophy.

Maybe not a physical trophy, but MLB and NFL make a huge deal about winning the division in the regular season.

And as you note, the NBA does indeed have a physical trophy.

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Other sports are not nearly as hung up on this issue to the level that hockey is.
 
Maybe not a physical trophy, but MLB and NFL make a huge deal about winning the division in the regular season.

And as you note, the NBA does indeed have a physical trophy.

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Other sports are not nearly as hung up on this issue to the level that hockey is.

To the bolded, that's because it's your ony guaranteed path to a playoff berth in those leagues. And if you're a top seed in conference/league (top2 in baseball) you get a 1st round bye, so there's actual benefit to being the best team.

In basketball, no one even knows about the Trophy and it's not a celebrated thing like it is hockey. Although it's new, teams don't hang banners for it like they do in the nHL.
 
Pretty sure if the league ever believed the Presidents' Trophy was supposed to be some sort of spoiler for who was gonna win the Cup, they'd make rule changes to ensure it wasn't...

... Kinda would defeat the purpose of the playoffs.
 
It's already devalued in the eyes of many fans.. However, this is a silly suggestion because even if the trophy didn't exist, there will always be a team that has the most points, so they'd just call it the curse of regular season champs or whatever. Call it whatever you want, similar to the Art Ross = Scoring Title. This is just talking to talk.
Could always stop keeping score. Then no one finishes first or last. Would solve tanking too
 
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To the bolded, that's because it's your ony guaranteed path to a playoff berth in those leagues. And if you're a top seed in conference/league (top2 in baseball) you get a 1st round bye, so there's actual benefit to being the best team.

You could say the same thing about the NHL’s top seed having home ice throughout the playoffs.

Truth is, fans and orgs aren’t making a big deal about it for those reasons. It’s a bragging point and there’s actual pride in winning the division in those leagues. Divisional games are a big deal in the NFL especially.

In basketball, no one even knows about the Trophy and it's not a celebrated thing like it is hockey. Although it's new, teams don't hang banners for it like they do in the nHL.

It’s really not celebrated in hockey either, is it?

Clearly the NBA is incentivizing teams to take it more seriously. A big driving factor behind all of this is that you can’t just tell people that 31/32 teams played 82-100 meaningless games each. First because those games aren’t actually meaningless, and secondly because people with that attitude may as well just skip the season altogether and start watching in June.
 
Stop putting value and worth to a regular season trophy. The only fans who should care are fans of teams about to take the next step. The only teams that brag about it are teams that cannot take the next step.

The result effects nobody in any way other than you expecting it to effect you/your fav team.
 
You could say the same thing about the NHL’s top seed having home ice throughout the playoffs.

Truth is, fans and orgs aren’t making a big deal about it for those reasons. It’s a bragging point and there’s actual pride in winning the division in those leagues. Divisional games are a big deal in the NFL especially.



It’s really not celebrated in hockey either, is it?

Clearly the NBA is incentivizing teams to take it more seriously. A big driving factor behind all of this is that you can’t just tell people that 31/32 teams played 82-100 meaningless games each. First because those games aren’t actually meaningless, and secondly because people with that attitude may as well just skip the season altogether and start watching in June.

I mean, teams hang banners in their rafters for it.
 
Meh, the trophy is what it is. It’s a cool achievement to finish first place over the regular season, and it always gives you home ice throughout the entire playoffs.

However, especially now, most/all of the teams that make the playoffs are pretty good teams. Despite being the best team entering the playoffs, you don’t have a great chance to win the Cup, statistically speaking.

Just take the trophy for what it is - a great regular season achievement. Same as individual awards.
 
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Since 1986, the President's Trophy winner has gone on to win the Cup only 8 times, with only one of them coming from the Eastern Conference.

By contrast, teams who finished with the most points won the Cup more often when the President's Trophy wasn't a thing.

Is it time the NHL acknowledge that the President's Trophy is cursed and do away with it?
I'm all for it. You have convinced me with all the empirical data you have provided. I am sold. Sign me up.
 
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There is no curse. It is what it is. A memento for a good regular season. It should not be equated to an indication that a Stanley cup follows.

The Stanley Cup is more a function of matchups, health, ability to evolve to elevated intensity and less room, and the ability to ednure the grind.
 
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