Time for U.S. College Hockey to leave the NCAA?
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Barclay Donaldson
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Please enlighten me and everyone else your plan on men's and women's hockey at the college level leaving NCAA sanctioning? Because posting a statement and finishing it off with a question makes this comparable to an idiotic, clickbait, Buzzfeed news article
No Fun Shogun
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There might be an argument that college football is big enough to pull out of the NCAA by itself and operate itself seperately, but I don't really see a situation where college programs risk any sort of NCAA retaliation that'd assuredly come from smaller earning hockey programs trying to chart their own quasi-outlaw path. Doing so would likely be a deathknell for their other sports. Maybe that makes sense for a very small number of schools, but the programs with the money and resources necessary to meaningfully do this likely would have more to lose with their other programs suffering as a result of conference and NCAA backlash.
Jeesh... you're insufferable. The guy posted a legitimate news article for discussion. As it relates to hockey, there are tons of pros and cons to such a move, but heaven forbid anyone ever talks about anything you're not interested in, or talks about something that you don't think will happen.
Can U.S. Soccer’s Support Kick Year-Round College Model Into Gear?
U.S. Soccer, the Big Ten and ACC are exploring the idea of launching a 32-team pilot program for two-semester men's college soccer.
www.sportico.com
Does anyone really care what posters of his ilk really think.... probably not.
The NCAA is going through massive changes and we have to ask, what will the impact on hockey be and perhaps there is a better way forward than to be tied to an organisational structure that views the sport as an afterthought.
Takuto Maruki
Ideal and the real
For what it's worth, Matt Brown is a well sourced writer when it comes to college sports finances and realignment. Certainly above Buzzfeed level of writer, but I digress.
That being said, as it relates to college hockey - no. College hockey is one of the few sports in the college pyramid that is still relatively intertwined with the NCAA system. The movements and desires of regents and the like in football centered campuses don't really apply to hockey focused schools - and even if they do intertwine, like some of the B1G schools, they are essentially staying pat, and if anything, left typical hockey conferences to strike it out under the supposed branding power of the Big Ten.
Now, if college hockey was much more spread out across the country like CFB and CBB were, instead of concentrated in pockets of the midwest and northeast, I could see an argument. But not at the stage the sport is at. Especially when you consider that the balance of power between the CHL/major junior hockey and the NCAA/college hockey is actively being fought, and could likely end up finished in one another's favor depending on how things shake out in the next five years, and also how much state and federal legislation on international athletes and NIL wipe the board clean.
Barclay Donaldson
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I read the link. It doesn't relate in any realistic way to men and women's hockey at the NCAA level. Hence why I asked what your actual plan for college hockey would be. Because nothing in the article says anything feasible.
The potential actions won't much sway college hockey which is extremely intertwined with the NCAA system. Schools are too small, conferences are exclusively hockey-only save for the Big 10 (which barely has enough members to operate), too concentrated in the north and northeast, the fact that major juniors exists.
The guy says "looking at you, hockey" without acknowledging any of the above.
So I repeat my question. Please enlighten me: what is your plan and how it will be successful?
If a topic of conversation is the discussion of a scenario not backed by anything factual or at its core is completely nonsensical, it's not worthy. There are people on this site who actively discuss an imminent announcement of the NHL's expansion to Houston. There are a number of things which make something conversation worthy. This thread doesn't have it. What the OP is suggesting is an absolutely nothingburger.
A lot of big schools are in the ACHA. Penn State was the National Champion a couple of times before moving to the NCAA.
JMCx4
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I'm not sure how you quantify "A lot of big schools", but the current Top 25 teams in the ACHA Men's 1st Division rankings have very few schools that I'd consider big. It looks like the W1 Division rankings represent more large schools, but not a number that I'd describe as a lot.
Uneducated question, is NCAA hockey actually that popular and does it generate meaningful revenue?
I'm not sure how you quantify "A lot of big schools", but the current Top 25 teams in the ACHA Men's 1st Division rankings have very few schools that I'd consider big. It looks like the W1 Division rankings represent more large schools, but not a number that I'd describe as a lot.
ASU used to be there, Pitt is a pretty big school, etc. NYU is there mainly because NCAA wouldn't let them go Division I in hockey while being Division III in all other sports. Just saying its an option for schools who don't like the NCAA.
Its not like football or basketball obviously. The bigger programs (the Boston schools) probably generate a few million a year. Not sure if its above baseball or not.
JMCx4
#91 and counting ...
A school's AD or other administration would have to be desperate (or just plain stupid) to consider ACHA a reasonable option vs. just dropping their ice hockey program(s).
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