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Time after Gary Bettman?

OK, can we try this again, without the inane conspiracy theories?

officiating in the NHL is no worse than reffing, umpiring, etc in the other major professional leagues. You listen to the fans of any of the other big 4 sports (I'm including MLS in the #5 slot) and it's the same. Waah waah, the refs ruled against my team in particular, it's a plot to make me personally unhappy, waah waah.

Not poking fun at you, or at least not at you in particular, but if you sat representatives of the fanbase of each of the 32 teams down and asked them who the refs are most biased against, I guarantee every single fanbase would be convinced that their team was the victim of the most horsecrap.

It's universal. and it's not just the NHL, everyone's convinced the refs are out to screw over their team in particular, it's part of why fan is short for "fanatic."
The other sports at least try to address the issue. Hernandez got fired, the NFL admits when mistakes happen. The NHL had written proof of Colin Campbell's misconduct and he's still in the same position. Sutherland has never been held accountable for openly disgracing the sport. The NHL simply doesn't seem to care about the integrity of the sport and it's at a point where the refs are endangering player safety through criminal negligence.
 
A new Canadian commission could mandate that the Canadian teams have rosters composed 60% Canadian players, 30% European, and 10% everywhere else, while forcing the American teams to have at least 75% American players on their rosters, as a means of restoring Canadian team dominance as Canadian hockey players are by far better than Americans.

You do know a commissioner can't do that, right? I'm pretty sure every owner would have a problem with that and would fire them immediately if they tried. Plus, I'm also sure the union would also have a problem with that.

I know, this is just the latest weird response in a long list of weird responses to a team based in the US winning the Cup, but this too will never happen.
 
You do know a commissioner can't do that, right? I'm pretty sure every owner would have a problem with that and would fire them immediately if they tried. Plus, I'm also sure the union would also have a problem with that.

I know, this is just the latest weird response in a long list of weird responses to a team based in the US winning the Cup, but this too will never happen.
Somehow, three decades of damage from Bettman's anti-Canadian bias needs to be undone though.
 
There is another solution to bring the Canadian teams back to the top of the NHL:


Canadian TV networks may not have demanded it as a condition of keeping the league on Canadian national TV, but the country can certainly require it by law.
 
There is another solution to bring the Canadian teams back to the top of the NHL:


Canadian TV networks may not have demanded it as a condition of keeping the league on Canadian national TV, but the country can certainly require it by law.

I'll give you one thing. You're at least consistent. It's a terrible idea for all the reasons we've already discussed (and no reason to re-hash), but at least it's consistent. :laugh:
 
i should definitely believe the guy who believes The CW is a viable broadcast partner for any league, nonetheless the NHL, is believing that everybody else (who is significantly smarter and hold actual power) is ruining it

like, at the very least, I have no qualms about the fact that I'm just some Joe Blow voicing my opinions on a topic that I take a passive interest in. so many in this thread, and really all throughout modern history since about, oh, 2004, basically grind an axe against Bettman for batshit insane reasons that range from fervent Canadian nationalism because they don't want to admit the NHL is operating under sound (and frankly, incredibly obvious) business rationales, to personal bugbears that basically hold no bearing on how a league should be run in 2025.
 
If you believe Bettman is biased against Canada, you also have to believe every owner, including Canadian owners of American teams, is also biased against Canada.
Double post, but this is the funniest thing about this entire belief system. If there was truly a bias and conspiracy against Canadian teams and ownership, then we would basically still be in the late 70's set-up of the league where TOR, MTL, and VAN specifically would be fighting tooth and nail for the broadcast money that comes from being the only games in town that HNIC broadcasts and telling EDM, WPG and CGY to pound sand. But we're not, because of one simple reality - the larger the team pool is, the more revenue grows, especially through national broadcasting rights packages.

The fact of the matter is that basically anywhere that is *seriously* bandied about for potential Canadian expansion has had their failures written clearly into the stars. Toronto 2 / Hamilton is a pipe dream simply due to the fact that Rogers now owns the entirety of the sports scene in Canada, and if it's going to happen, then the first owner (more then likely Bell, who has essentially exited the sports scene) is going to not only have to pay invasion fees to the Leafs and more then likely the Sabres, but also will be a loss leader for decades until the next guy buys in. Quebec City was simply a political stunt by Peladeau and the PKP to angle for a new arena - and now that they got it, and realized how much money it's going to take to actually own a team when Vegas's expansion bid was announced, they've turned into the Canadian Kansas City: a nice, modern arena with no anchor tenant because they built at the wrong time and there's no real driving force to actually move teams there in a market that otherwise is tapped out for sports.

But people ignore all of that to push a supposed anti-Canadian agenda...when it's patently obvious there isn't, and it's simple economics at play.
 
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Somehow, three decades of damage from Bettman's anti-Canadian bias needs to be undone though.
There is no anti-Canadian bias. If Bettman did what he did because he had an agenda against Canada, the Whalers would still be in Hartford. The Whalers aren't Canadian. So why did they move?

What there is, is a pro-growth bias. And the Canadian markets that are growing the fastest (or in many cases growing at all) already have teams. And a couple that are shrinking (Ottawa, Winnipeg) have teams too.

If you compare both population and economic numbers, Canada is still vastly overrepresented in the NHL both in terms of teams and players. The US has about 300 million people, and Canada has about 35 million. And yet Canada has 1/4 of the teams and more than half the players are Canadian? They're doing fine.

Surprise surprise, the Commissioner of the NHL feels it's important to align the teams to maximize the potential growth of the sport. And surprise, surprise, the nation that outnumbers the other 10 to 1 and has an economy at least 5 times bigger gets the lion's share of the teams. That's not bias. That's just knowing what butters your bread.

You can have whatever opinion you like, but the fact is that the league is healthier when the entire continent is learning to embrace NHL hockey rather than just your little dusty corner of it. That's not my opinion. It's simple brass-tacks economic reality.
 
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America needs to let Canada have the NHL like they did before Bettman.
To be fair, to "let Canada have the NHL" isn't just making it like it was before Bettman. That's during the Frank Calder era. The 1924 expansion added the first US team, the Bruins, as well as the Maroons in Montreal.

Remember, the NHL is a business above all else. Growth is good for business. Despite the long period of time when only six stable franchises existed in the NHL, the owners eventually came to that conclusion when it expanded to 14 teams while Clarence Campbell was the league's president.

I promise, the solution to a Canadian team winning the Cup is simply for the Canadian teams to get more competitive, which means selling players on the idea of playing in cities like Calgary, Winnipeg, Vancouver, and others, because you absolutely have to convince players to want to sign in any city, especially when you have 31 other teams calling for their services.
 
American teams dominate the NFL, MLB, and NBA. In the former case, the NFL isn't even in Canada out of respect for the CFL.

America needs to let Canada have the NHL like they did before Bettman.
for fifty years the nhl only had two Canadian teams and those two teams dis everything it could to prevent a third one so that the tv money wouldn’t been split up. It took the threat of an antitrust lawsuit to add Vancouver in the league
 
By "have", I actually meant "dominate".
But this again goes back to the idea that Bettman is somehow anti-Canadian, which is patently false unless you also believe every owner is also anti-Canadian. What you're asking is for the league to put their finger on the scale and let a Canadian team win, to reward a team that isn't actually *the best* all because they exist north of the 49th. If a team -- any team -- wants to win the Cup, they need to build towards that.
 
Bettman most successful in NHL ever?

 
American teams dominate the NFL, MLB, and NBA. In the former case, the NFL isn't even in Canada out of respect for the CFL.

America needs to let Canada have the NHL like they did before Bettman.
ROFL no the F they don't. The NHL needs the money to become a respectable top 4 league and they can't do that if they lock themselves out of several of the most lucrative markets in North America which happen to be south of the Mason-Dixon line.

It would have been a failure of Bettman's fiduciary duty as Commissioner not to push to take the US market seriously. The NHL has never been healthier than it is right now due to the expansions over the last 30 years and Gary deserves full marks for that reality.

Like it or not, Canada never owned the NHL. It's an American league registered in New York City. The rationale for the league being in any way Canadian is centered on a philosophy that was last valid over 70 years ago when the technology to put an ice rink wherever you wanted one didn't exist.

American hockey has grown exponentially over the last 40 years or so and is only poised to get stronger. The Canadians have a century of tradition on us and aren't going anywhere, but they're going to be rubbing shoulders with more boys from down south than ever before That's a very good thing unless you're a rabid Canadian nationalist that thinks you own hockey just because your nation happens to be good at it (I mean, so are the Czechs, I don't see them complaining!).

Bettman's decision to open the league up to the rest of the English speaking continent was incredibly overdue when it was made and has only proven more and more valid over time.
 
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ROFL no the F they don't. The NHL needs the money to become a respectable top 4 league and they can't do that if they lock themselves out of several of the most lucrative markets in North America which happen to be south of the Mason-Dixon line.

It would have been a failure of Bettman's fiduciary duty as Commissioner not to push to take the US market seriously. The NHL has never been healthier than it is right now due to the expansions over the last 30 years and Gary deserves full marks for that reality.

Like it or not, Canada never owned the NHL. It's an American league registered in New York City. The rationale for the league being in any way Canadian is centered on a philosophy that was last valid over 70 years ago when the technology to put an ice rink wherever you wanted one didn't exist.

American hockey has grown exponentially over the last 40 years or so and is only poised to get stronger. The Canadians have a century of tradition on us and aren't going anywhere, but they're going to be rubbing shoulders with more boys from down south than ever before That's a very good thing unless you're a rabid Canadian nationalist that thinks you own hockey just because your nation happens to be good at it (I mean, so are the Czechs, I don't see them complaining!).

Bettman's decision to open the league up to the rest of the English speaking continent was incredibly overdue when it was made and has only proven more and more valid over time.
You'll refer to Cansdians collectively as Canuckleheads but this particular one you don't even though he himself deserves it???

C'mon, man!

The NHL was a de facto Canadian league with all teams based in Canada (hence the "National") and its head office was in Montreal as late as the 70s or 80s I believe.

But as you pointed out, it grew out of its humble roots. I don't understand that mind set at all, the idea that the NHL is Canadian. The sport isn't even Cansdian, it's just a game founded in Canada and exported around some parts of the world
 
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Don't you get it? I'm trying to save the NHL, everyone else seems to want it ruined.

The NHL is doing better now than it ever has. Revenues climbing, expectations of large cap and player salary increases over the upcoming years. All the franchises appear to be stable and doing well financially. Even the ongoing new CBA negotiations have been described as cordial.
 
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The NHL is doing better now than it ever has. Revenues climbing, expectations of large cap and player salary increases over the upcoming years. All the franchises appear to be stable and doing well financially. Even the ongoing new CBA negotiations have been described as cordial.
All this at the expense of Canadian team success. Which is a huge reason why the next commissioner should be Canadian so that they can find ways to tip the balance of power back to the Canadian teams in line with the slogan "Make the NHL Great Again".

There has not been a Cup Final with two Snow Belt teams since 2019, which has served to damage TV ratings. It came to a head in 2023 when all of the final four teams were from the Sun Belt. It also didn't help that no Canadian team made the playoffs in 2016.

My proposal to lump the Canadian teams in one division competing for one spot in the final and the American teams into four geographic divisions competing for the other spot will end any chance of an all-Sun Belt final, and significantly lower the chances of any Sun Belt team going that far because those teams would either be in the South or West Divisions.

At the same time, the chances of an all-Snow Belt final go up significantly. It would also prevent a repeat of 2016.
 
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