Time after Gary Bettman?

It's an interesting question.

Gary Bettman of course was brought in from the NBA with an eye to getting a big US national TV deal.

That move was pretty unusual at the time, as he wasn't a "hockey guy". If you look at guys like Adam Silver, Roger Goodell, or Rob Manfred they all came up from within their league's offices. The NHL going to a different sport was wild. Also the fact of how young Bettman was at the time - 41.

That was also 30 years ago. The NHL has changed.

The obvious contender is Bill Daly. If you're looking for the betting favourite Daly is definitely it. He fits the general mold - long time within the league office, a lawyer.

But Daly is 60 years old, and the NHL a long time ago did go outside the usual pattern to select a commissioner.

But if not Daly - who?

I spent some time googling and came up with the name David Zimmerman - the NHL's Chief Legal Officer and General Counsel. Not much of a public profile though, and I doubt any younger than Daly (who is also a lawyer).

Gary Bettman was the NBA's General Counsel. That position is currently held by Rick Buchanan. Again though - having graduated from Harvard Law in 1988 Buchanan isn't any younger than Daly or Zimmerman.

Beyond that - a prominent player agent perhaps? Just to throw out a name - Craig Oster (since he seems to be the biggest agent by dollar value). Also - a lawyer. At least he's not a shit disturber with the league, so I've heard crazier ideas.

There's the Budd Selig example in MLB - could a prominent owner be selected? It would be pretty unusual though. OK, so here's a wild card name for you - Mark Chipman. Lawyer, part owner of the Jets, member of the NHL BOG Executive Committee. Still not really younger than any of the other names I've mentioned though (Oster would be the youngest, probably mid-50s).

Any other names to throw out there?
Don't have any specific names but I have a feeling the league will try to find the next Bettman -- someone with a sports background but not on the team management side and not from the hockey world. With the general trajectory of sports over the last 5-10 years you'd have to think they'd be coming from the NFL too.

If you want a real wild card, I think someone from the soccer (and particularly EPL) world would be fascinating. Kroenke, Foley, Harris, FSG are all at least part owners of teams over there and it's been the cool new thing (in the states at least).
 
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A league can only do so much to get players out there, but the question is ultimately whether or not the league is doing enough. Gretzky and Lemieux were known by most sports fans in the late-80s and -90s. Even when Gretzky was an Oiler, people knew his name. Is McDavid anywhere near as well known as that? The answer seems to be no, and I think that's a failure on the part of the league.

I was reading a discussion the other day, I think on Reddit, about a couple of commercials that the league put out this year... the tipping one and the gen Z one. One thing someone mentioned was that the only place they've seen those commercials is during hockey games. If true, that's also a problem (I don't watch anything with commercials except hockey games, so I would have no way of knowing).
There was a big thread about this on the main board. One way to advertise is to convince new people to start buying your product. Another, which is generally much more effective, is to get people that already buy your product to buy more of it, or buy other products you offer. The goal of these commercials that yes, primarily are on during other hockey games, is to get hockey fans to watch more games. The theory is that someone already interested in watching their local broadcast is much more likely to then also watch a few national games with a little prompting. It's smart, something companies have been doing since the start of capitalism and marketing, and not at all a problem.
 
It's an interesting question.

Gary Bettman of course was brought in from the NBA with an eye to getting a big US national TV deal.

That move was pretty unusual at the time, as he wasn't a "hockey guy". If you look at guys like Adam Silver, Roger Goodell, or Rob Manfred they all came up from within their league's offices. The NHL going to a different sport was wild. Also the fact of how young Bettman was at the time - 41.

That was also 30 years ago. The NHL has changed.

The obvious contender is Bill Daly. If you're looking for the betting favourite Daly is definitely it. He fits the general mold - long time within the league office, a lawyer.

But Daly is 60 years old, and the NHL a long time ago did go outside the usual pattern to select a commissioner.

But if not Daly - who?

I spent some time googling and came up with the name David Zimmerman - the NHL's Chief Legal Officer and General Counsel. Not much of a public profile though, and I doubt any younger than Daly (who is also a lawyer).

Gary Bettman was the NBA's General Counsel. That position is currently held by Rick Buchanan. Again though - having graduated from Harvard Law in 1988 Buchanan isn't any younger than Daly or Zimmerman.

Beyond that - a prominent player agent perhaps? Just to throw out a name - Craig Oster (since he seems to be the biggest agent by dollar value). Also - a lawyer. At least he's not a shit disturber with the league, so I've heard crazier ideas.

There's the Budd Selig example in MLB - could a prominent owner be selected? It would be pretty unusual though. OK, so here's a wild card name for you - Mark Chipman. Lawyer, part owner of the Jets, member of the NHL BOG Executive Committee. Still not really younger than any of the other names I've mentioned though (Oster would be the youngest, probably mid-50s).

Any other names to throw out there?

Honestly, Shanahan is one I've thought of previously.

He played in the league for twenty years/knows the game, worked in the league office for a couple of years and has now run its most prominent franchise for a decade so that comes with "business" experience.
 
There was a big thread about this on the main board. One way to advertise is to convince new people to start buying your product. Another, which is generally much more effective, is to get people that already buy your product to buy more of it, or buy other products you offer. The goal of these commercials that yes, primarily are on during other hockey games, is to get hockey fans to watch more games. The theory is that someone already interested in watching their local broadcast is much more likely to then also watch a few national games with a little prompting. It's smart, something companies have been doing since the start of capitalism and marketing, and not at all a problem.

Maybe it was on here :laugh:

I don't really have a problem with those commercials being on during hockey games for the reasons you laid out. I more question why they're only on during hockey games. It really should be both, and the league certainly has the resources to do both.
 
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Maybe it was on here :laugh:

I don't really have a problem with those commercials being on during hockey games for the reasons you laid out. I more question why they're only on during hockey games. It really should be both, and the league certainly has the resources to do both.
Commercials featuring Caitlyn Clark are shown on the freaking nhl network .
 
Why not a lady? :popcorn:
Why not. But who? The one NHL VP?

What other VPs/deputy folks have the (probable) qualifications? Customer service organizations C-suite folks? Entertainment organizations?

NWSL, WNBA? Any other sports leagues that might have potential candidates?

If a woman is the best candidate, sure.

But you need legal background to help lead CBA negotiations (or have an excellent deputy to lead). Need to be able to "herd cats" (IOW deal with/lead 32 franchise owners/governors).
 
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Honestly, Shanahan is one I've thought of previously.

He played in the league for twenty years/knows the game, worked in the league office for a couple of years and has now run its most prominent franchise for a decade so that comes with "business" experience.

So the one thing that really struck me is how all the league commissioners are lawyers. There's obviously no requirement for a commissioner to be a lawyer, but there must be a reason why almost all of them are (and why I restricted my potential candidates to those who were trained lawyers).

But that would be the knock against Shanahan. Not a lawyer. At 56 not the oldest candidate but not at all young. Being so deeply involved with one of the most prominent franchises for so long might be a bad look.

But not a ridiculous suggestion by any means.
 
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If you want a real wild card, I think someone from the soccer (and particularly EPL) world would be fascinating. Kroenke, Foley, Harris, FSG are all at least part owners of teams over there and it's been the cool new thing (in the states at least).

It would be a reverse Ted Lasso! I'd watch that show.

I think though there would actually be of more interest in bringing in someone from the EPL world in more of a player development / on ice role. Obviously that person wouldn't know hockey, but could well bring a bunch of new ideas. Because fundamentally an athlete is an athlete.

The Commissioner though will have to take the lead on, as one example, negotiating a CBA. The EPL doesn't have a CBA. They don't have a player draft. The entire regulatory and legal structure is completely different. No matter how smart and talented, that would be pretty hard to learn on the job.

But looking to the EPL is again not a crazy idea. Is there anyone working in the EPL that also has experience in north american sports?

Shit - I've got a name. Ralph Kreuger. NHL coach, but also former chairman of Southampton in the EPL for 5 years.

Now to be clear I think there's a zero percent chance that Ralph Kreuger will be the next NHL commissioner. Not a lawyer, age 65, Southampton is hardly a prominent team, seems to be mostly retired these days. But that's the kind of figure you'd be looking at it you wanted to get creative.
 
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So the one thing that really struck me is how all the league commissioners are lawyers. There's obviously no requirement for a commissioner to be a lawyer, but there must be a reason why almost all of them are (and why I restricted my potential candidates to those who were trained lawyers).

But that would be the knock against Shanahan. Not a lawyer. At 56 not the oldest candidate but not at all young. Being so deeply involved with one of the most prominent franchises for so long might be a bad look.

But not a ridiculous suggestion by any means.

To be fair, Selig wasn't a lawyer. Hell, he was essentially a car salesman.
 
To be fair, Selig wasn't a lawyer. Hell, he was essentially a car salesman.

Very true. I even thought about mentioning that fact about him, but he was already exceptional enough for being a team owner when made Commissioner (I think he put his shares in the Brewers into trust or something).

But still the commissioner before Selig? Fay Vincent. Lawyer.

Commissioner after him? Rob Manfred - lawyer.
 
How has the Canadian teams being spread out across multiple divisions worked out since 1994?

It hasn't.
That’s one opinion. However if you think one big division of Canadian teams is some sort of solution to what you believe is a problem, I encourage you to employ some logic and think again.

I highly doubt any Canadian team owners want a division like this. It would span 4 time zones (Pacific, Mtn, Central And Eastern) making broadcasting games a challenge for viewership in a prime time window. Intra-divisional flight distances (and costs) for most teams would increase. Van, Calgary and Edmonton can fly to Seattle, SJS, LA & Anaheim faster than they can fly to TO, Ottawa or Montreal.

Again, no thanks. This is just creating a problem where their currently isn’t one.
 
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Very true. I even thought about mentioning that fact about him, but he was already exceptional enough for being a team owner when made Commissioner (I think he put his shares in the Brewers into trust or something).

But still the commissioner before Selig? Fay Vincent. Lawyer.

Commissioner after him? Rob Manfred - lawyer.

Thats because he threw a coup.

He did end up putting his shares in his daughters name, tho there are credible rumours that he was still involved in operations.
 
Very true. I even thought about mentioning that fact about him, but he was already exceptional enough for being a team owner when made Commissioner (I think he put his shares in the Brewers into trust or something).

But still the commissioner before Selig? Fay Vincent. Lawyer.

Commissioner after him? Rob Manfred - lawyer.
Selig is a worthless sack of garbage.
 
That’s one opinion. However if you think one big division of Canadian teams is some sort of solution to what you believe is a problem, I encourage you to employ some logic and think again.

I highly doubt any Canadian team owners want a division like this. It would span 4 time zones (Pacific, Mtn, Central And Eastern) making broadcasting games a challenge for viewership in a prime time window. Intra-divisional flight distances (and costs) for most teams would increase. Van, Calgary and Edmonton can fly to Seattle, SJS, LA & Anaheim faster than they can fly to TO, Ottawa or Montreal.

Again, no thanks. This is just creating a problem where their currently isn’t one.
Counterpoint - both MLB and the NFL were once fine with divisions that included teams in Atlanta and California.
 
Counterpoint - both MLB and the NFL were once fine with divisions that included teams in Atlanta and California.
Once we’re.

You just reinforced my position. Thank you.

You’re not bringing any new facts to this dialogue that would help you convince anyone that this is a good idea. Our chat has run its course.
 
John Collins appear to be still involved in the game, but as part of the ownership / management team of the Islanders. However, he is a bit over 60 so not quite as fresh face as I was thinking a few years ago.

I can’t see the League choosing a candidate who would not come from the North American business circles. A way too conservative for that.

Bettman’s long tenure has allowed him to consolidate lots of power. How likely the owners (or sufficiently influential subgroup of them) would prefer a shorter term solution in order to increase their own influence? And overall, are there more short term owners (age or with potential exit in mind) or guys looking to shape the League for decades come?

Do we know how the process will go? Is the executive committee going to lead the search or is the BOD going to nominate an ad hoc committee for the matter? I would assume that in practice not all owners have equal weight in the process.
 
John Collins appear to be still involved in the game, but as part of the ownership / management team of the Islanders. However, he is a bit over 60 so not quite as fresh face as I was thinking a few years ago.

Not familiar with Mr. Collins. Here's his wiki page:


While (say it with me) he's not a lawyer, he spent time as CEO of the Cleveland Browns, VP Marketing and Sales for the NFL, COO for the NHL, and is now a part owner and executive for the Islanders. Helped negotiate the Rogers media rights deal, amongst others.

An impressive resume.

Age would be the concern I think.

Do we know how the process will go? Is the executive committee going to lead the search or is the BOD going to nominate an ad hoc committee for the matter? I would assume that in practice not all owners have equal weight in the process.

We do not.

Remember that before Bettman the NHL had a President, not a Commissioner. The league has changed so much in 30 years. We have nothing to compare to.

The big question is whether the Bettman and the Executive Committee just want to coronate Bill Daly (quite possible) or want to engage in a wider search.

At the end of the day each owner gets an equal vote - but it can be stacked to decide what they're voting on. Probably a majority of the owners are owners in part because of Bettman, so he can carry a lot of weight in deciding his successor if he wants to.
 
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Bettman's 72. In a sane world, he'd be close to retiring or already in retirement. But if the past decade+ has taught us anything, it's that folks born in the 40s/50s seem to have a very hard time retiring from positions of power once they're in it.

For all we know, their wind-down from Bettman could last until he's 80+. Hard to really guess who could be hired internally or externally potentially years from now.

I think it's more a case that people who reach that high of a position of power are absolute workaholics who have made their entire life about work and don't know, understand, or envision a life without it.

That's not really a compliment or a criticism, just character analysis.
 
-not a lawyer
-no experience at the league level
-just refreshing my memory, I don't think he's ever been involved in the business side of either the Stars or Blues - just the hockey side
-60 years old

Do you feel the commissioner also has to be the lead attorney? Or whatever the titles could be…maybe lead counsel? Whatever they’re called. The blues, I’m guessing, don’t rely on Armstrong for the legal minutia.

My basis for the guess is that the owners are picking a representative. That’s 100% the job in my eyes. Having the attorney be one in the same is convenient but, imo, not critical.

Doug would serve as a steward. The role is navigate the owners. I think he has a chance at that papal ceremony. What other process besides the pope’s selection would be similar to what is about to happen?

I think any of the folk who currently represent ownership groups in some capacity have the leg in the door to enter the process as a candidate. I’d imagine there will be internal and external candidates considered. Doug seems to have a large amount of power. It may be enough. He brought two ownership groups cups and seems to work well with the group of Canadian gms insomuch as there isn’t a bunch of drama around team building. (Except u20 which is a different group)

The league appointing a hockey ops guy to commissioner would be akin to Boeing appointing an Engineer to its board chair. We saw what happens when investment managers run engineering companies.
 
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Do you feel the commissioner also has to be the lead attorney? Or whatever the titles could be…maybe lead counsel? Whatever they’re called. The blues, I’m guessing, don’t rely on Armstrong for the legal minutia.

My basis for the guess is that the owners are picking a representative. That’s 100% the job in my eyes. Having the attorney be one in the same is convenient but, imo, not critical.

First, the term is "general counsel". That's the person who is in charge of the company's legal department. "lead counsel" is the term on a lawsuit with multiple lawyers - the lead counsel is the person "in charge" of the litigation. I could go down a whole rabbit hole about the split between corporate lawyers and litigation lawyers (or solicitors and barristers in Canada) but that's not important now.

It of course doesn't matter whether I think the Commissioner needs to be a lawyer or not. But I am pointing out that the Commissioner of every one of the big four sports is a lawyer. And almost all of the prior Commissioners going back a number of years for all sports have been lawyers. Leading candidate Bill Daly is a lawyer.

Now that being said - the jobs of Commissioner and General Counsel are different jobs, and you would not have the same person in both roles. That gets into some complicated rules about solicitor-client privilege - legal communications from General Counsel can be privileged, and thus maybe protected from being turned over in case of a lawsuit, while the Commissioner would not be protected.

But - having someone familiar with the law can still be helpful, even if someone like Bettman isn't actually working as a lawyer when he's the Commissioner.

Doug would serve as a steward. The role is navigate the owners. I think he has a chance at that papal ceremony. What other process besides the pope’s selection would be similar to what is about to happen?

I think any of the folk who currently represent ownership groups in some capacity have the leg in the door to enter the process as a candidate. I’d imagine there will be internal and external candidates considered. Doug seems to have a large amount of power. It may be enough. He brought two ownership groups cups and seems to work well with the group of Canadian gms insomuch as there isn’t a bunch of drama around team building. (Except u20 which is a different group)

Again the idea that being part of an ownership group makes you more likely - none of the existing Commissioners in the Big 4 were associated with an ownership group. The only one I could find was Bud Selig at least in recent-ish history.

The issue is whether other owners want a commissioner who they might be afraid is too tightly connected to one of their rivals. I suspect there's a reason why all the big league commissioners have mostly come up through the league office itself.

The league appointing a hockey ops guy to commissioner would be akin to Boeing appointing an Engineer to its board chair. We saw what happens when investment managers run engineering companies.

Problem is fundamentally engineering and business are fundamentally different.

Now there's value to having someone who has experience in both areas. Boeing's current CEO (a guy named Kelly Ortberg) was trained as an engineer and started his career in engineering - but had been in management since at least 2001 before being made CEO in 2024.

I know in my own area (law) - you're never going to see a non-lawyer in charge of a very large law firm. But those in charge of very large law firms tend to have a great deal of management experience before being named as Managing Partner.
 
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First, the term is "general counsel". That's the person who is in charge of the company's legal department. "lead counsel" is the term on a lawsuit with multiple lawyers - the lead counsel is the person "in charge" of the litigation. I could go down a whole rabbit hole about the split between corporate lawyers and litigation lawyers (or solicitors and barristers in Canada) but that's not important now.

It of course doesn't matter whether I think the Commissioner needs to be a lawyer or not. But I am pointing out that the Commissioner of every one of the big four sports is a lawyer. And almost all of the prior Commissioners going back a number of years for all sports have been lawyers. Leading candidate Bill Daly is a lawyer.

Now that being said - the jobs of Commissioner and General Counsel are different jobs, and you would not have the same person in both roles. That gets into some complicated rules about solicitor-client privilege - legal communications from General Counsel can be privileged, and thus maybe protected from being turned over in case of a lawsuit, while the Commissioner would not be protected.

But - having someone familiar with the law can still be helpful, even if someone like Bettman isn't actually working as a lawyer when he's the Commissioner.



Again the idea that being part of an ownership group makes you more likely - none of the existing Commissioners in the Big 4 were associated with an ownership group. The only one I could find was Bud Selig at least in recent-ish history.

The issue is whether other owners want a commissioner who they might be afraid is too tightly connected to one of their rivals. I suspect there's a reason why all the big league commissioners have mostly come up through the league office itself.



Problem is fundamentally engineering and business are fundamentally different.

Now there's value to having someone who has experience in both areas. Boeing's current CEO (a guy named Kelly Ortberg) was trained as an engineer and started his career in engineering - but had been in management since at least 2001 before being made CEO in 2024.

I know in my own area (law) - you're never going to see a non-lawyer in charge of a very large law firm. But those in charge of very large law firms tend to have a great deal of management experience before being named as Managing Partner.
Thanks for the help with the legal phrasing. I’d never voiced that I had no clue what those things were and now things make a lot more sense. I’m too naive, grew up around salesmen and hockey refs, not attorneys.
 

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