They know Tkachuk isn't allowed to do anything and no one else will. So why not take runs at the other team's best players to win the game?
Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI
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Senovision
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We need to get someone like Olivier from CLB in the offseason. Neil knew what was up. If they ran our players he would run their top guys until they calmed down.
From Dec. 13 to Jan. 23 (incl.) Timmy only had 10 points in 20 games.
(Tougher competition and schedule?)
Other than that he's been producing some pretty good offence:
Start of season to Dec. 11 - 36 points in 28 games. (1.29 P/GP)
Jan. 25 to Feb. 8 11 points in 8 games. (1.38 P/GP)
Another 90 point season is not out of the question.
(Tougher competition and schedule?)
Other than that he's been producing some pretty good offence:
Start of season to Dec. 11 - 36 points in 28 games. (1.29 P/GP)
Jan. 25 to Feb. 8 11 points in 8 games. (1.38 P/GP)
Another 90 point season is not out of the question.
Norris4Norris
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But why is he on pace for only 25 goals when he scored 39 goals only 2 seasons ago?
People say he doesn't have a good enough winger to feed him the puck, but who was that guy 2 years ago?
He had a 17.1% shooting percentage, which was unsustainable for a guy who doesn't have an elite shot, to put it mildly.
Norris4Norris
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You're right.
But I looked at Stutzle's shooting percentage this year and it is 15.3%.
So I am thinking if Stutzle shot the puck more he would be scoring 30-35 goals this year. I really think he has an elite shot, he just needs to shoot more.
I think it's not a major issue it's still pretty high, as Stutzle refuses to shoot the puck this year unless forced to.
But I think it's pretty clear his shot isn't anywhere close to elite. If anything it's below average in power.
He needs to continue to improve his strength. Shot power should improve with time.
Norris4Norris
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Ok, so you're saying that his shooting percentage is too high because he only shoots in the most opportune of times? Which would be then why he doesn't have that many goals.
I think that he does have an elite shot, maybe not the hardest one. The reason I think this is because when you are 21 years old and you score 39 goals in the NHL you're doing something right.
Brady Tkachuk averages a 9.5% shooting percentage over his career. He is consistent but he really doesn't score much for the volume of shots. He shoots so many shots he is in the top 5 every year in shots on net. If you shoot that many with a middling shooting percentage your bound to hit 30 goals every year.
What impresses me about Stutzle is that he can play 82 games and have above 15% shooting percentage. To me that is a greater sign of a good shot. You can look at it in two ways. You can say oh well his S% is too high and bound to come down. But then how did he do it in 2 separate seasons at such a young age? That is quite a sample size. I think he has a much better shot than Brady does. I think that in time as he grows into his prime and feels comfortable shooting instead of passing that he will hit 40 goals again easy.
Tbh I thought that would wind up being part of Batherson's game.
Haven't seen too many guys with the combination of legitimate skill and rottweiler mentality that Neil had though.
Definitely one of a kind player, but we still need more actual toughness in the lineup. Someone who can play 3rd line minutes and keep other teams honest.
We have no response when they start running Stutzle these days because Tkachuk isn't able to fight now that we're trying to push for the playoffs.
He's got himself in a very predictable PP rut. He's a left hand shot, he curls off the left side and comes vertically towards the net with the puck. His stick is outside making blocking the shooting lane easy. His only real play is down low to setup the bumper goal. The other team is content to let him circle around out there forever.
He's got 3 PP goals. There's 110 guys with 4 or more.
Idk how much of that is Stuetzle versus coaching but he’s doing the same thing over and over again and frankly it is not working.
Not only is it not working for him, it is nullifying our best shooting option in Norris because they aren't looking for that one time setup
In the last 5 full seasons ( 2 interrupted by covid) there are 11 instances in which a player scores more than 35 EV goals. That'll give you an idea how difficult it is for him to repeat 39 given how the PP is going
Micklebot
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It's more than just sh%. He currently still has a 15.3 sh%, if he shot at that rate two years ago he'd only have 4 fewer goals, heck, the difference between him being at 15% this year instead of 17% is only 2 goals, the bigger issue imo is he isn't getting the same volume of shots, particularly from the high danger zones.
more in Stuetzle's PP goal scoring
There are 187 "forwards" with 75 minutes of PP ice time. Stuetzle is 147th in goal scoring out of those 187. Coincidentally, Giroux is 148. But Giroux is a known playmaker. You can't be a 39 goal man and that far down the list of goal scorers on the PP
He's 4th on the list in secondary assists.
Maybe it is just me, but what i see is a guy going north south down the left side of the ice and as a left shot, he's limiting his shooting lane. The only play that he has available to him is the bumper play...to the goal line and then to the shooter
the stats support that in terms of both stuetzle not scoring and second assists. And to me anyway, it is becoming too predictable.
He's 82nd in primary assists...tied with Brady actually in another coincidence.
There are 187 "forwards" with 75 minutes of PP ice time. Stuetzle is 147th in goal scoring out of those 187. Coincidentally, Giroux is 148. But Giroux is a known playmaker. You can't be a 39 goal man and that far down the list of goal scorers on the PP
He's 4th on the list in secondary assists.
Maybe it is just me, but what i see is a guy going north south down the left side of the ice and as a left shot, he's limiting his shooting lane. The only play that he has available to him is the bumper play...to the goal line and then to the shooter
the stats support that in terms of both stuetzle not scoring and second assists. And to me anyway, it is becoming too predictable.
He's 82nd in primary assists...tied with Brady actually in another coincidence.
What change would you propose on the PP to put him in a position to score more frequently?
It's interesting - so much PP success in the first quarter of the season, but clearly we've been scouted and have not been able to sustain success lately. Need to go into the playoff drive with a hot power play, because if there's one thing this team does well, it's that we draw penalties.
He's a dynamic skater stuck on a stagnant PP formation. Guys don't wear down penalty killers, they just move the puck around the outside and only attempt the highest percentage play. It's like we have a Paul DePodesta coaching the PP...
We draw lots of penalties, we should be using that to our advantage to run PK guys ragged. Instead, they allow them to hold their formation with minimal movement while our guys skate laps on the outside. We also have almost no shooting threats from the point. Sanderson can shoot the puck in the conventional sense but he doesn't have the type of shot that rearranges defensive formations. When Norris was blowing 1-timers past goalies, it shifted all the attention towards him, like a gravitational pull. We don't have that at the point. And we have predictable puck movement. And we have stagnant offensive players. And we don't really put pucks by the net and let 2 guys battle one defender or 3 guys battle 2 defenders.
We score because of skill, not because of a combination of skill and hard work.
Alf Silfversson
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I agree. The PP is nowhere near dynamic enough. It had success early in the season but it's bogged down. Adjustments need to be made.
I'd run:
Tkachuk - Giroux - Batherson
Sanderson - Stützle
Make Stützle the "trigger" guy in Norris's old place. Have him fire away until teams start shifting that way and then he can get more creative in that spot. Tkachuk is obviously in front. Batherson is the secondary shooter (with good playmaking) on the left side, moving down to the weak post to open lanes at times. Giroux is the high guy/bumper on the high left but can float around. Sanderson plays middle top and can drive a bit deeper into the slot and pop it over to Stü for LHS to LHS one timers.
In those spots all players should be comfortable moving to open spots and all will have inside release points, at least in the set formation.
Get your rest stu. You need to have a legacy run starting feb 22
HoweHullOrr
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Ya, I’ve been kind of thinking the same thing. He seems to pass on taking a shot even when he’s in a decent position, and instead hangs on to the puck and/or tries to make that extra pass that ends up getting intercepted.
He’s 26th overall in point production so far this year, but just 75th in goals (tied with a lot of other players). I’m hoping he gets over 90 points and gets into the top 15 overall in point & goal production both this year and perennially. He’s our most skilled guy and that’s where I think he’ll need to get to have true success.
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Norris4Norris
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I'd love to see his shooting percentage jump to his countryman Draisatl's 18%, we'd have 40g in no time
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After looking at some stats of our most important player compared to his mates and the way our team plays. I think we might be too harsh on him for the shooting /goal scoring case. Myself I get frustrated when Stu doesn't shoot in premier scoring area. But I just think he actually doesnt have have enough chance to use his shot because of his role on the team.
If look 5vs5 goals Stu is first and seconded by guy who shouldnt be there without removing the credit to Goalette:
It's actually obvious who we are trying to set up for shots Tkachuk , Norris are on top of the list. Followed by Bath, Giroux and secondary options. Last 2 guys are having one of their worst season sh% wise.Norris got injured for a long time so he shot might no be to the same level yet. Tkachuk is shooting double or more of these guys and it clearly not working. Am not saying Tkachuk or even Norris shouldnt shoot but there is a issue in the strategy of using proper skill set in the O zone.
Stu is having somehow one of his best season by stats and even when you watch games but it's not the case for all the stars ( or supporting cast at this point).
Tkachuk should get more deflect goals if coaching staff use him that way more effectively.Same thing for Stu on the PP he alwqys the set up guys cause the puck always go back to him in a setter position. If we look recently our PP is too obvious cause most team know that puck will always go back to Stu to create a chance.
In what world a Ahler like Gaudette play half of the minutes of our top6 guys and score more goals 5vs5 leading by 3 right. Yes they're having big slumps but they is a reason if it stays that long and I think coaching staff could be more creative with what they have.
Cresit to Gaudette he has a great start to the season and Green for teaching them how to play d as a team . But now it about using what we have to be effective offensively 5vs5.Best way is start by our best players Stu Tkachuk, Bath and Norris all can be better to really help us for the push.
Cause I dont think rental will really make a difference after trade deadline not in our situation and the hpcoming market.
If look 5vs5 goals Stu is first and seconded by guy who shouldnt be there without removing the credit to Goalette:
It's actually obvious who we are trying to set up for shots Tkachuk , Norris are on top of the list. Followed by Bath, Giroux and secondary options. Last 2 guys are having one of their worst season sh% wise.Norris got injured for a long time so he shot might no be to the same level yet. Tkachuk is shooting double or more of these guys and it clearly not working. Am not saying Tkachuk or even Norris shouldnt shoot but there is a issue in the strategy of using proper skill set in the O zone.
Stu is having somehow one of his best season by stats and even when you watch games but it's not the case for all the stars ( or supporting cast at this point).
Tkachuk should get more deflect goals if coaching staff use him that way more effectively.Same thing for Stu on the PP he alwqys the set up guys cause the puck always go back to him in a setter position. If we look recently our PP is too obvious cause most team know that puck will always go back to Stu to create a chance.
In what world a Ahler like Gaudette play half of the minutes of our top6 guys and score more goals 5vs5 leading by 3 right. Yes they're having big slumps but they is a reason if it stays that long and I think coaching staff could be more creative with what they have.
Cresit to Gaudette he has a great start to the season and Green for teaching them how to play d as a team . But now it about using what we have to be effective offensively 5vs5.Best way is start by our best players Stu Tkachuk, Bath and Norris all can be better to really help us for the push.
Cause I dont think rental will really make a difference after trade deadline not in our situation and the hpcoming market.
