Player Discussion Tim Stützle - (C) - Part VI

[Stutzlaaaa]

Stutzle has 45 points in 47 games. He is 32nd in the league in scoring.

He is not the dominant playmaking centre I thought he would be.

He is the epitome of the Senators: Average.

lmao you have to look at the whole tram ehen you juge a player on production. Yes , Stu production went down recently but same for the whole team. Can say same about any top 6 player of this team and will bet eqsily more thdn 1000 $ that without Stu those guys have pretty really average production. You have to watch the game to understand that a lot of goals are scored with Stu on the Ice even if get no assist .

Why because he the only guy on this team the other team focus to shutdown. You guys talk we have have Draisaitl or john taveres as 2C we have Josh f***in Norris. Who cant carry a puck oe create by himself to save his life and his injuries have nothing to do with that.

Stu also is + 9 players which says a lor for his growth defensively.His been minus his whole career . Sens fan are always first to bash their top player same for Alfy, Karlsson now Stu. Am actually ok with how Stu play this season yes he has to shoot more but franky he has to create for others every game for us to win games.Need another puck carrier , who has speed, vision, and actual good hands.

 

[JD1]

I think they need to put stuetzle with tkachuk again. Both their scoring went to shit when they took them apart

 

[HSF]

get this man a winger

 

[SensFactor]

Someone needs to hypnotize him so that he shoots more

 

[PlayersLtd]

He's our version of Datsyuk and we are lucky to have him. Anyone criticizing anything more than some little things is being unreasonable. Kid's game still has a lot of room for growth, and that's scary.

 

[OD99]

He's our version of Datsyuk and we are lucky to have him. Anyone criticizing anything more than some little things is being unreasonable. Kid's game still has a lot of room for growth, and that's scary.

Last year he got a pass due to injury.

He started out well but has really regressed. He is an elite talent, and I don't have any issue with people expecting more production.

He was a 40 goal/90 point player 2 years ago and scoring is just as easy, if not easier than it was.

2 years removed from a 90 point season, at his age, I think he should be doing better. Im not going to rag on him, and I bet he expects to have better numbers.

The team will do as well as he and the other top 6 guys do.

 

[PlayersLtd]

Last year he got a pass due to injury.

He started out well but has really regressed. He is an elite talent, and I don't have any issue with people expecting more production.

He was a 40 goal/90 point player 2 years ago and scoring is just as easy, if not easier than it was.

2 years removed from a 90 point season, at his age, I think he should be doing better. Im not going to rag on him, and I bet he expects to have better numbers.

The team will do as well as he and the other top 6 guys do.

I think it's akin to wanting your cake and eating it too. Stu's game is evolving, sometimes you can't have it all until he learns to package it all together, which I am sure he will.



Three obvious (to me) things affecting his offence:

1. / He doesn't have linemates. Claude is holding him back and Brady is the only other guy he has chemistry with and Green hasn't played them together in ages.

2 / He is quite obviously more focused on defence and that could be having an impact on his offensive production. The team in general is sorting that out. Once he is comfortable with his defensive side I am sure he will rebalance his offence to some degree.

3 / Our pp is terrible and Green is putting schemes in the blender to figure this out which might be making things worse. Stu could step up and be a bigger part of the solution but he is also at the mercy of others and the set plays

Also, he was on a 90 pt pace earlier this year. He is currently one hot streak away from getting that back.

I think it's premature to criticize him other than his lack of shooting. He is playing his tail off and what, do you think his offence is something that can just permanently evaporate? It'll come back, no question about it.

And I'll take the defensively responsible one that creeps back up past a ppg over last year's version 10 times out of 10.

 

[Emrasie]

Can a coach do his job and tell him to shoot? I don't know, maybe do an experiment, choose a game and tell him to not pass a single puck and shoot shoot shoot It's frustrating to watch, it's not like Ovi plays next to him, this team doesn't have a top scorer.

NB; I don't blame him for the loses, but it would help the team.

 

[Norris4Norris]

I wouldn't call him average. He's still 16th in scoring among centres. He's statistically still a top line centre, but he was producing at an elite (closer to top 10 is what I consider elite) for the first 30ish games of the season. As soon as he gets slightly above average wingers I'd be on him exploding for points

It might just be my own bias.

After the 2022-23 season where he scored 39 goals, 51 assists for 90 points I thought he was going to turn into a top 5 centre.

He and Jack Hughes had similar seasons and unlike Jack he has under a point per game since.

 

[Norris4Norris]

I think he’s lost a bit of confidence in his shot which is why he’s often looking to pass up great looks. Similarly to Chabot, he is pretty slow at getting his shot off which makes him easier to read for both defenders and goalies. Difference is that his shot is much better than Chabot’s, if only he could get it off a fraction quicker.

Also, he obviously needs to have better linemates that can finish his plays and create more space for him. Will have to be a priority for Staios in the offseason and the deadline.

I remember his first goal. He had a sweet one-timer from Chabot. I saw that goal and thought man this guy will score 40 every year.

 

[Norris4Norris]

lmao you have to look at the whole tram ehen you juge a player on production. Yes , Stu production went down recently but same for the whole team. Can say same about any top 6 player of this team and will bet eqsily more thdn 1000 $ that without Stu those guys have pretty really average production. You have to watch the game to understand that a lot of goals are scored with Stu on the Ice even if get no assist .

Why because he the only guy on this team the other team focus to shutdown. You guys talk we have have Draisaitl or john taveres as 2C we have Josh f***in Norris. Who cant carry a puck oe create by himself to save his life and his injuries have nothing to do with that.

Stu also is + 9 players which says a lor for his growth defensively.His been minus his whole career . Sens fan are always first to bash their top player same for Alfy, Karlsson now Stu. Am actually ok with how Stu play this season yes he has to shoot more but franky he has to create for others every game for us to win games.Need another puck carrier , who has speed, vision, and actual good hands.

This doesn't make sense. You say that without Stutzle the "guys would have average production." The team has pretty average production with Stutzle.

Ya Stutzle is a plus 9 which indicates he does create space and opportunities for players. But this isn't basketball. There are both primary and secondary assists. If he isn't getting goals and he is average in assists he isn't that top playmaker who is always on the scoresheet because of his wicked vision.

Don't generalize Sens fans because I think Stutzle should produce more. Karlsson and Alfreddson were my two favourite players and I never bashed them because they were very consistent, generational talents.

I am with you on needing more talent in the top 6, another playmaker.

 

[Norris4Norris]

He's our version of Datsyuk and we are lucky to have him. Anyone criticizing anything more than some little things is being unreasonable. Kid's game still has a lot of room for growth, and that's scary.

What?

Datsyuk was a generational defensive player. He is top 5 all time. He won 3 Selkes and 4 Lady Bing trophies. How won those Selkes with Bergeron playing at the same time.

Stutzle is not like Datsyuk.

37 players got at least one vote for the Selke last year and Stutzle was not one of them.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

What?

Datsyuk was a generational defensive player. He is top 5 all time. He won 3 Selkes and 4 Lady Bing trophies. How won those Selkes with Bergeron playing at the same time.

Stutzle is not like Datsyuk.

37 players got at least one vote for the Selke last year and Stutzle was not one of them.

You sir are delusional.

In 2-4 years Stutzle will be recognized as one of the best 2 way players in the league. Or all-around.

 

[OD99]

I think it's akin to wanting your cake and eating it too. Stu's game is evolving, sometimes you can't have it all until he learns to package it all together, which I am sure he will.

No, his offence doesn't have to dry up because of defensive play. Many players see their numbers go up after they figure out the defensive side better.

Three obvious (to me) things affecting his offence:

1. / He doesn't have linemates. Claude is holding him back and Brady is the only other guy he has chemistry with and Green hasn't played them together in ages.

I agree it would be great to have better linemates but I don't see Claude holding him back. G is a gritty yet skilled player and I hope Stu can begin to emulate his game more. G makes simple plays and generates great chances because of it.

2 / He is quite obviously more focused on defence and that could be having an impact on his offensive production. The team in general is sorting that out. Once he is comfortable with his defensive side I am sure he will rebalance his offence to some degree.

As I said above, better D usually means more offence. That said, he is obviously better on the D side but his offensive zone play has gone backwards. He is more of a perimeter player and when he circles the wagons on the outside he doesn't really open anything up. I really think he needs to start driving the net and forcing the D to play him hard. His reluctance to shoot is glaring and also has zero to do with defensive focus.

3 / Our pp is terrible and Green is putting schemes in the blender to figure this out which might be making things worse. Stu could step up and be a bigger part of the solution but he is also at the mercy of others and the set plays

The bolded. No excuses, make better plays, create more lanes for passes and shoot the puck.

Also, he was on a 90 pt pace earlier this year. He is currently one hot streak away from getting that back.

Agreed. He had a few 4 point games over the last few seasons but he just isn't that dynamic this year.

I think it's premature to criticize him other than his lack of shooting.

He makes $8M a year and is supposed to be our top scoring threat, by a wide margin. He isn't producing, so it goes with the territory. There isn't an angry mob after him, but its fair when we have been without many goals for so long to want the top dog to perform.

He is playing his tail off and what, do you think his offence is something that can just permanently evaporate? It'll come back, no question about it.

I expect so too, but it better happen soon.

And I'll take the defensively responsible one that creeps back up past a ppg over last year's version 10 times out of 10.

Again, they don't have to be and shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

 

[Norris4Norris]

In 2-4 years Stutzle will be recognized as one of the best 2 way players in the league. Or all-around.

Ahhh the crystal ball. If only I had one of those I'd be rich!

 

[Golden_Jet]

What?

Datsyuk was a generational defensive player. He is top 5 all time. He won 3 Selkes and 4 Lady Bing trophies. How won those Selkes with Bergeron playing at the same time.

Stutzle is not like Datsyuk.

37 players got at least one vote for the Selke last year and Stutzle was not one of them.

Datsyuk didn’t get his first Selke until he was 29/30, so that’s a long ways off. Doesn’t mean Stu gets one, but that 7 seasons away.

Bergeron didn’t win his first Selke until Datsyuk was done winning his 3 and was now 33/34.

 

[PlayersLtd]

No, his offence doesn't have to dry up because of defensive play. Many players see their numbers go up after they figure out the defensive side better.

This is my entire point. We are not at the 'after' stage. Green is asking for a different commitment and he and the team are still focused on cementing that style of play. Once it is cemented (after one season?) we will be at the 'after' stage. If his offence is not back up then, sure you can be critical. But you're saying it yourself, there is a learning curve here.

And G is 100% holding him back. You can't expect a 22 year old to put up 95 points with a 52 point wingman. Stutzle is good but nobody said he is generational.

As for the pp yeah, I would love to see Stu drive the lane more but thats not exactly a play a coach is going to preach and lets not lose sight of the fact that Stu was never projected as a power forward.

I don't know why we aren't looking for cross ice passes that have made our pp successful in the past. They are at their best when they are Harlem Globetrotting and I don't know why Green has them holding back on that level of puck movement/skill display. But I'd say it's Green (or coaching staff) and Stu is just falling in line. Maybe I'm wrong there and you're right, Stu needs to be the straw that stirs that drink. But again, that talent hasn't just evaporated, it will be back.

 

[PlayersLtd]

What?

Datsyuk was a generational defensive player. He is top 5 all time. He won 3 Selkes and 4 Lady Bing trophies. How won those Selkes with Bergeron playing at the same time.

Stutzle is not like Datsyuk.

37 players got at least one vote for the Selke last year and Stutzle was not one of them.

Stutzle defensive game is growing by leaps and bounds and I am sure he will get Selke votes in the future. In his first full season of focusing on it his 200' game is shockingly good. He has the skating and drive to be an elite 2 way player.

But no, I didnt mean to insinuate perennial Selke level play. I meant extremely responsible in all areas, a take away and back check machine and elite offensive play making with a 'never take a night off' attitude and consistency.