TIL: Eric Lindros was also traded to the Rangers in 1992

[Jumptheshark]

Dude nylander signed with the Oilers and the caps like 8 years ago. Edit whoops 11 .

Tbh it's not the nhls fault if teams or people send them conflicting paperwork

in nylanders case the oilers bought air tickets, booked hotels and announced a news conference. His agent signed what is called an intent letter. Nylanders wife made the decision.

the agent went on Edmonton media and appologized. The agent said he was at the airport to fly to Edmonton when Nylander told him to take the Washington deal


None of this is the nhls fault

 

[Pominville Knows]

Reportedly the offer to the Nordiques from NYR was Sergei Nemchinov, Tony Amonte, Alexei Kovalev, James Patrick, and John Vanbiesbrouck plus draft picks. Kovalev was probably the only major contributor to the '94 cup lost in that trade, and Lindros would've out-produced him anyway.

Lindros at the peak of his powers on that Rangers team would probably mean we repeat in '95.

Nemchinov was a quality player too.
Moreover Amonte was traded for cup clincher Stéphane Matteau and Brian Noonan who also did all right in the playoffs.
Patrick was traded for Steve Larmer.
Vanbiesbrouck for Doug Lidster, who was not too fresh anymore should be said.

 

[brachyrynchos]

Messier-Lindros-Turcotte-Weight would've been a nice group of centers. At wing is where the Rangers would've most likely made an ugrade or 2. Gartner, Graves, Olcyk, Erixon, P. Broten, J. Kocur, K. King, S. King.
Rangers defense would've been Leetch, Beukeboom, Zubov, Cirella, Wells, Hardy, and Andersson.
Richter and Corey Hirsch in goal.

 

[tony d]

Beezer on the Nords would have been good as well. Question becomes now does Mario and the Pens win the Cup in 1996 if Beezer's not in Florida? Also where does Roy go if Beezer is on Colorado? So many what ifs with this scenario.

 

[Neutrinos]

Messier-Lindros-Turcotte-Weight would've been a nice group of centers. At wing is where the Rangers would've most likely made an ugrade or 2. Gartner, Graves, Olcyk, Erixon, P. Broten, J. Kocur, K. King, S. King.
Rangers defense would've been Leetch, Beukeboom, Zubov, Cirella, Wells, Hardy, and Andersson.
Richter and Corey Hirsch in goal.

I'm pretty sure Weight was part of the package to get Lindros

 

[brachyrynchos]

I'm pretty sure Weight was part of the package to get Lindros

Thanks, you're right. I guess it's Quebec that would've been stacked at center; Sakic, Sundin, Weight, Nemchinov, and Lapointe.

 

[Jets4Life]

Lindros didn't want to play for the Nords because he had serious concerns about how the team was run. Turns out he was pretty much bang-on in his assessment, yet somehow he's mostly been painted as the villain in this entire fiasco.

May have been a reason, but not the main reason. The Lindros family did not want Eric playing for Quebec, since it was a small market team, and there would have been a language barrier. The Lindros family had done the same thing with Sault Ste Marie in 1989, demanding that Eric play closer to home. Rumor also has it that the Kings were going to draft Brett Lindros, but the family had a problem with the Kings for some reason.

Carl and Bonnie were responsible for burning bridges for their sons repeatedly, and it was the main factor to contributing to the bad blood between Clarke and Lindros when Eric was playing for the Flyers.
Back near the end of 1990, the Winnipeg Jets were in the Lindros sweepstakes, with Quebec, Minnesota, and New Jersey (who owned Toronto's pick). When questioned if Lindros would play for the Jets, the family Pr man said something to the extent of "definitely not."

 

[Rpro]

Thanks, you're right. I guess it's Quebec that would've been stacked at center; Sakic, Sundin, Weight, Nemchinov, and Lapointe.

Nemchinov wasn't part of the offer. Still though, Weight as a #3 center = massive depth.

 

[alko]

Former Nordiques staff people (or from others franchises) should finally open the "Lindros case". And tell us all the offers, that came to Quebec. It was not only Flyers and rangers, that made offers.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

Remember when the Rangers had that deal for Stamkos like, done?

As far as I remember it was Stamkos for some swath of Dubinsky/Callahan/Staal/Girardi plus picks.

Somebody in Tampa's front office stepped in at the 59th minute of the 11th hour. It all goes to show that the people running hockey teams are human and crazy **** happens.

But yeah, Leetch for Lindros would have been an absolute travesty for us, as good as Eric was.

I still have an Eric Lindros Rangers shirt somewhere around my house from when I was like 11 or 12. I was a fan.

I think they would have won 3 cups this decade had that deal gone down

 

[Machinehead]

I think they would have won 3 cups this decade had that deal gone down

Yeah, every single piece the Rangers were offering declined significantly and Stamkos would have given them a large part of what their contending teams were missing.

That's life

 

[brachyrynchos]

So is this how the 3 teams could've looked?
Quebec:
Kamensky-Sakic-Nolan
Rucinsky-Sundin-Amonte
Kovalev-Weight-Young
Hough/Cavallini-Lapointe-Kovalenko
Defense:Finn, Foote, Karpa, Gusarov, Wolanin, Tatarinov, Leschyshyn
Goalie-Beezer, Fiset

Flyers:
Eklund-Forsberg-Recchi
Fedyk-BrindAmour-Beranek
Lomakin-Ricci-Dineen
Evans-Acton/Butsayev-Brown
Defense: Galley, Yushkevich, Duchesne, Carkner, Hawgood, Huffman, Benning, McGill
Goalie-Hextall, Roussel, Soderstrom

Rangers:
Graves-Messier-Gartner
Olcyk-Lindros-Broten
Erixon-Turcotte-Nemchinov
K. King-Gilhen-Kocur
Defense- Leetch, Patrick, Beukeboom, Zubov,Cirella, Hardy, Wells
Goalie:Richter, Hirsch

Definitely would've been cool to see how things would've ended up and the trades/signings that might've happened, and I guess those that might not have (Roy, Leclair, and all the Oilers and Blackhawks the Rangers brought in...and Keenan).

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Former Nordiques staff people (or from others franchises) should finally open the "Lindros case". And tell us all the offers, that came to Quebec. It was not only Flyers and rangers, that made offers.

The Blackhawks had an offer involving Ed Belfour. The Kings supposedly tried as well with Luc Robitaille as the centerpiece of the offer because Quebec always was in pursuit of a French-Canadian superstar, but the Kings didn’t have much else to offer.

 

[brachyrynchos]

Former Nordiques staff people (or from others franchises) should finally open the "Lindros case". And tell us all the offers, that came to Quebec. It was not only Flyers and rangers, that made offers.

There's few that I came across, not sure how valid any of the were.
Yahoo Sports Greg Wyshynski 8/29/17 'What if...Chicago Blackhawks traded for Eric Lindros?'
'...while the actual controversy took place between the Rangers and Flyers, most in the know had it that during the draft of '92 Mike Keenan had engineered a deal before either of them that the Nordiques has accepted to send Lindros to the Blackhawks.
Getting exact details on it is difficult, but most agreeit was centered around Ed Belfour, Steve Larmer and Steve Smith.'

UPI Arhives 6/7/92 'Report-Lindros headed to Red Wings'
'Denny McLain told the syndicated 'Sports Final' show in Boston Sunday that Lindros would be acquired by the Red Wings from the Nordiques for star forward Steve Yzerman and a package of other players (Chiasson was reportedly one of the guys mentioned somewhere else). McLain also said Lindros has already enrolled at University of Michigan in anticipation of joining the Red Wings.'

Pittsburgh Post Gazette 2/28/92 'Lindros may be headed for Maple Leafs'
'...a trade is in the works that would send forwards Daniel Marois and Yannick Perreault, several 1st round draft choices and $20 Million to the Nordiques.'

The Hour (AP) 6/17/92 'Teams want Lindros'
'The Quebec Nordiques revealed Tuesday that Calgary, Detroit, New Jersey, Philadelphia and Toronto are the top contenders in the chase for Eric Lindros.
...Nordiques owner Marcel Aubut said the Flames had made a sincere offer for Lindros. ...the deal could involve goaltender Mike Vernon, plus two of Calgary's top five players-Theoren Fleury, Joe Nieuwendyk, Gary Roberts, Gary Suter and Al MacInnis.'

I haven't found much else yet, curious to know what the Devils' offer was.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

There's few that I came across, not sure how valid any of the were.
Yahoo Sports Greg Wyshynski 8/29/17 'What if...Chicago Blackhawks traded for Eric Lindros?'
'...while the actual controversy took place between the Rangers and Flyers, most in the know had it that during the draft of '92 Mike Keenan had engineered a deal before either of them that the Nordiques has accepted to send Lindros to the Blackhawks.
Getting exact details on it is difficult, but most agreeit was centered around Ed Belfour, Steve Larmer and Steve Smith.'

UPI Arhives 6/7/92 'Report-Lindros headed to Red Wings'
'Denny McLain told the syndicated 'Sports Final' show in Boston Sunday that Lindros would be acquired by the Red Wings from the Nordiques for star forward Steve Yzerman and a package of other players (Chiasson was reportedly one of the guys mentioned somewhere else). McLain also said Lindros has already enrolled at University of Michigan in anticipation of joining the Red Wings.'

Pittsburgh Post Gazette 2/28/92 'Lindros may be headed for Maple Leafs'
'...a trade is in the works that would send forwards Daniel Marois and Yannick Perreault, several 1st round draft choices and $20 Million to the Nordiques.'

The Hour (AP) 6/17/92 'Teams want Lindros'
'The Quebec Nordiques revealed Tuesday that Calgary, Detroit, New Jersey, Philadelphia and Toronto are the top contenders in the chase for Eric Lindros.
...Nordiques owner Marcel Aubut said the Flames had made a sincere offer for Lindros. ...the deal could involve goaltender Mike Vernon, plus two of Calgary's top five players-Theoren Fleury, Joe Nieuwendyk, Gary Roberts, Gary Suter and Al MacInnis.'

I haven't found much else yet, curious to know what the Devils' offer was.

That Leafs offer is so much worse than every other ones. Who the heck is Marois? Parraeult as the center piece? Those 1st rounders better all be 1st overall picks!

 

[Normand Lacombe]

That Leafs offer is so much worse than every other ones. Who the heck is Marois? Parraeult as the center piece? Those 1st rounders better all be 1st overall picks!

Daniel Marois was supposed to part of a young trio of forward stars, along with Vincent Damphousse and Gary Leeman, to lead the Leafs back to prominence in the late 80's and early 90's. Marois scored 31 and 39 goals his first two seasons in the league before injuries and ineffective play derailed his career.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInTampa]

Remember when the Rangers had that deal for Stamkos like, done?

As far as I remember it was Stamkos for some swath of Dubinsky/Callahan/Staal/Girardi plus picks.

Somebody in Tampa's front office stepped in at the 59th minute of the 11th hour. It all goes to show that the people running hockey teams are human and crazy **** happens.

But yeah, Leetch for Lindros would have been an absolute travesty for us, as good as Eric was.

I still have an Eric Lindros Rangers shirt somewhere around my house from when I was like 11 or 12. I was a fan.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't for even half that from the NYR and I'm unfortunately inclined to believe it because our ownership were stupid idiots who belonged on the stupid idiot list. I'm pretty sure it was something like Dubinsky a pick and prospect. But then again I'm not gonna challenge a NYR savant on his team knowledge. I'm glad it got nixed. I probably would have seriously considered quitting the team til a new owner came

 

[Machinehead]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't for even half that from the NYR and I'm unfortunately inclined to believe it because our ownership were stupid idiots who belonged on the stupid idiot list. I'm pretty sure it was something like Dubinsky a pick and prospect. But then again I'm not gonna challenge a NYR savant on his team knowledge. I'm glad it got nixed. I probably would have seriously considered quitting the team til a new owner came

No you're right, it was like half of that but those were the choices.

And it was definitely their ownership who were afraid that a star like Stamkos would be too expensive long-term.

Somebody in their FO who actually does hockey stuff was basically like "are you f***ing mad?" and that stopped it. Ended up being the right choice because a guy like Stmakos makes you more money than he costs with the merch he moves.

 

[Beastdog75]

Daniel Marois was supposed to part of a young trio of forward stars, along with Vincent Damphousse and Gary Leeman, to lead the Leafs back to prominence in the late 80's and early 90's. Marois scored 31 and 39 goals his first two seasons in the league before injuries and ineffective play derailed his career.

I grew up in the 80s, and I remember my parents bought me a kids hockey book with pictures and short bios of all the stars of the day. I think it was from the late 80s, and it had all of the usual suspects of the time: Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Bourque, etc. The one that always stuck out like a sore thumb at me was they included Daniel Marois. There were maybe 15 profiles in the book, and Marois happened to make the cut. I didn't realize that he was actually considered a bright young star for the time. I tend to remember him more from his waning days with the Islanders and Bruins.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't for even half that from the NYR and I'm unfortunately inclined to believe it because our ownership were stupid idiots who belonged on the stupid idiot list. I'm pretty sure it was something like Dubinsky a pick and prospect. But then again I'm not gonna challenge a NYR savant on his team knowledge. I'm glad it got nixed. I probably would have seriously considered quitting the team til a new owner came

Ive always said had Sather offered Staal in the package Tampa would have bit. At the time Dubinsky and Staal's ceilings were very high and Staal's value may have been as high as it ever was. If they offer Dubinsky,Staal,Del Zotto and Grachev I think Tampa would have bit. With Stamkos in NY im convinced St.Louis forces a trade to NY in 09 or 10. He actually did do this in real life but the Tampa fo convinced him to stay because of Stamkos. With Stamkos,St.Louis and Lundqvist along with a better draft in 2010 (Tarasenko comes to mind) I could see the Rangers winning multiple cups in the early part of this decade. Plus they'd have so much more cap flexibility hey would have never needed to sign Gaborik or Richards to those crazy contracts and probably would have never needed to bring Nash on board either. Ughh what could have been.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Daniel Marois was supposed to part of a young trio of forward stars, along with Vincent Damphousse and Gary Leeman, to lead the Leafs back to prominence in the late 80's and early 90's. Marois scored 31 and 39 goals his first two seasons in the league before injuries and ineffective play derailed his career.

IMO Marois was the real deal as a goalscorer before he separated his shoulder that 2nd year. He had good hands and a real nose for the net.. If I recall correctly he was pacing for around 45-50 goals /90-100 points as a sophomore before getting hurt.

He was my favourite on that team.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

So is this how the 3 teams could've looked?
Quebec:
Kamensky-Sakic-Nolan
Rucinsky-Sundin-Amonte
Kovalev-Weight-Young
Hough/Cavallini-Lapointe-Kovalenko
Defense:Finn, Foote, Karpa, Gusarov, Wolanin, Tatarinov, Leschyshyn
Goalie-Beezer, Fiset

Flyers:
Eklund-Forsberg-Recchi
Fedyk-BrindAmour-Beranek
Lomakin-Ricci-Dineen
Evans-Acton/Butsayev-Brown
Defense: Galley, Yushkevich, Duchesne, Carkner, Hawgood, Huffman, Benning, McGill
Goalie-Hextall, Roussel, Soderstrom

Rangers:
Graves-Messier-Gartner
Olcyk-Lindros-Broten
Erixon-Turcotte-Nemchinov
K. King-Gilhen-Kocur
Defense- Leetch, Patrick, Beukeboom, Zubov,Cirella, Hardy, Wells
Goalie:Richter, Hirsch

Definitely would've been cool to see how things would've ended up and the trades/signings that might've happened, and I guess those that might not have (Roy, Leclair, and all the Oilers and Blackhawks the Rangers brought in...and Keenan).

Are you basing this on 1992-93 in all 3 cases? If so, Forsberg was still in Sweden.

One key thing is James Patrick was part of the Rangers offer/agreement to Quebec. That is clear based on all the archives. Quebec needed to improve its defence, getting a regular top 4 D was a key in that Lindros trade.

There is strong reason to believe Nemchinov was part of the Lindros deal, Weight being in the deal or not is more up in the air.

 

[brachyrynchos]

Are you basing this on 1992-93 in all 3 cases? If so, Forsberg was still in Sweden.

One key thing is James Patrick was part of the Rangers offer/agreement to Quebec. That is clear based on all the archives. Quebec needed to improve its defence, getting a regular top 4 D was a key in that Lindros trade.

There is strong reason to believe Nemchinov was part of the Lindros deal, Weight being in the deal or not is more up in the air.

Thanks, you're right Forsberg would've still been in Sweden, I guess he would've came over the following season?
I was just trying to get an idea of what each teams roster would've looked like if Lindros had gone to the Rangers.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Forsberg joined the Nordiques for the 1994-95 season.

But that may have been in part because Quebec could not pay him enough $ to get him over for 1993-94. Back then, there was no such thing as a cap on ELC's.

 

[jghockey]

As a Flyers fan, I think that the Flyers should never have made that trade. They should have let him go to the Rangers.