Ticket/Attendance Discussion: The Sequel

Mortimer Snerd

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It's way more complicated than just housing. You take a meth addict, if you've ever heard some of the stories that go on in a meth house, you've got people using angle grinders to cut metal, people stripping bikes of all their metal parts, it's not like your average housing. To make money for meth. And in a state of pyschosis it could be even more dangerous. Or you have trap houses for women who do deeds for drugs. It's not pretty, and the simplistic solutions come from people in offices not so much people on the street. Tent villages are pretty functional units, minus the garbage, which is a municipal issue.

Absolutely. Everything is more complicated when you get deep into it. We are lumping all sorts of social problems and issues into one here. Addiction is not the housing crisis and housing is not the addiction crisis.

But housing is one that can be solved for many people, not all. Addiction is a much tougher nut to crack.
 

Mortimer Snerd

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I don't think the problem with downtown is poverty, homelessness, addiction, etc. It's that Winnipeg has little for high paying corporate jobs that would draw people downtown to consume goods and services and dilute the vagrants. Fix the economy and the problem goes away. That's easier said than done though.

That is one thing that it is not.
 

Mortimer Snerd

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I make together with my wife 50 percent more then I did in 2011 but for us it feels like we have way less money today then 2011

Then you are doing something wrong. There hasn't been that much inflation since 2011.

Maybe it is your expectations. Maybe you have taken on more commitments. Maybe you haven't fully recovered from Covid losses. I can't say. But it is not the state of the economy.
 

blueandgoldguy

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The arena has flaws that cannot realistically be dealt with given the small footprint it resides upon - that is why there will likely be calls to replace it in the 2030s...assuming the Jets are doing reasonably well financially for the next decade or so. The process of negotiating financing and determining a suitable location for an arena can be a 10+ year process so a new arena would likely be built in the mid-2040s.

Those flaws include:

-small lower bowl seating 8000. Outside of maybe a couple arenas, all the others seat 9,000 - 10,000 in the lower bowl. More lower bowl seats means more revenue.

- all the club seats are located behind the net and there are only 1000 club seats. Who the hell wants to pay $300 a game for a club seat and your only choice is behind the net? All the other arenas either have a) a separate club level extending around the arena between the lower deck and upper deck and/or b) club sections between the blue lines/face off circles on both sides of the ice ie) newer arenas like Rogers Place, Prudential Centre and Pittsburgh arenas are like this. The club areas for people to congregate are behind the seating areas. Given the narrowness of the building, you simply cannot do this a Canada Life Centre. Also, the number of club seats is the lowest in the league. You would need to have at least 1500 club seats, but probably more like 2000. This goes hand-in-hand with having a larger lower bowl seating capacity.

- the seats are too cramped. Almost all the seats at Canada Life Centre are 17 inches wide. The only exception are the club seats and seats in the suites at 19 inches. Who wants to spend several hundred dollars per ticket to be squished in a seat for 3 hours? All the other arenas with the exception of a few have 19 inch general seats and 21 inch club seats and 22 inch suite seats. If you were to increase the seating size of Canada Life Centre to these dimensions you would lose around 1500 seats so it isn't an option.

- The square footage of the building is less than 450,000. The only arena of a similar size is the Saddledome and it will be replaced in a few years. Smaller square footage means fewer places for concessions/points of sale which means fewer sales which means less revenues. Smaller square footage means less bathroom fixtures meaning longer lines leaving less time to go to the concessions afterwards. Again lost sales and less revenues. A substantial increase in the square footage would alleviate these problems (as well as traffic-flow). It doesn't have to 800 - 900,000 square foot monster like several of the arenas in the league. Something like 650,000 square feet would be a great improvement and alleviate these problems. Obviously this can't be accomplished at the present site given the arena is approx. 300 feet wide and 400- 450 in length. An ideal site would allow for an arena 400 feet wide and 500 feet in length

- Not enough loges and location is problematic. Around 8 years ago they shoehorned in 250 loge seats in the upper deck causing obstruction problems for people sitting in the upper deck. People who buy loges would ideally have their own separate gathering area, kinda like a club area given the premium they are paying for their seats. This is obviously not possible given their location. Loge seats should be either located on their own level as they are in Edmonton or in the lower bowl (top of the lower bowl or in specific sections ie Barclays arena or Pittsburgh's arena. As with the club seats, you would also need more of this particular premium option - probably around 400- 500 seats. Best of all, they would not obstruct the views of other patrons.

The number of suites, 55 I think, is more than enough. We don't need anymore. Some of the newer arenas have a similar amount and this is in larger cities. But we do need quite a few more premium seating options as the city grows. More growth means more small and medium-sized (and hopefully some large) businesses in the city who could be potential clients of the Jets. Of course, I would expect a slightly larger capacity as well...something in the range of 16,500 - 17000 (maybe 16,500 official capacity with 500 standing room seats to bring it to 17,000).

Possible sites could include the National Research Council of Canada on Ellice and Colony, Blue Cross Park or the old Bomber Stadium site. The latter is not downtown, but it's not that far and is in a pretty central location.
 
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Gm0ney

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The arena has flaws that cannot realistically be dealt with given the small footprint it resides upon - that is why there will likely be calls to replace it in the 2030s...assuming the Jets are doing reasonably well financially for the next decade or so. The process of negotiating financing and determining a suitable location for an arena can be a 10+ year process so a new arena would likely be built in the mid-2040s.

Those flaws include:

-small lower bowl seating 8000. Outside of maybe a couple arenas, all the others seat 9,000 - 10,000 in the lower bowl. More lower bowl seats means more revenue.

- all the club seats are located behind the net and there are only 1000 club seats. Who the hell wants to pay $300 a game for a club seat and your only choice is behind the net? All the other arenas either have a) a separate club level extending around the arena between the lower deck and upper deck and/or b) club sections between the blue lines/face off circles on both sides of the ice ie) newer arenas like Rogers Place, Prudential Centre and Pittsburgh arenas are like this. The club areas for people to congregate are behind the seating areas. Given the narrowness of the building, you simply cannot do this a Canada Life Centre. Also, the number of club seats is the lowest in the league. You would need to have at least 1500 club seats, but probably more like 2000. This goes hand-in-hand with having a larger lower bowl seating capacity.

- the seats are too cramped. Almost all the seats at Canada Life Centre are 17 inches wide. The only exception are the club seats and seats in the suites at 19 inches. Who wants to spend several hundred dollars per ticket to be squished in a seat for 3 hours? All the other arenas with the exception of a few have 19 inch general seats and 21 inch club seats and 22 inch suite seats. If you were to increase the seating size of Canada Life Centre to these dimensions you would lose around 1500 seats so it isn't an option.

- The square footage of the building is less than 450,000. The only arena of a similar size is the Saddledome and it will be replaced in a few years. Smaller square footage means fewer places for concessions/points of sale which means fewer sales which means less revenues. Smaller square footage means less bathroom fixtures meaning longer lines leaving less time to go to the concessions afterwards. Again lost sales and less revenues. A substantial increase in the square footage would alleviate these problems (as well as traffic-flow). It doesn't have to 800 - 900,000 square foot monster like several of the arenas in the league. Something like 650,000 square feet would be a great improvement and alleviate these problems. Obviously this can't be accomplished at the present site given the arena is approx. 300 feet wide and 400- 450 in length. An ideal site would allow for an arena 400 feet wide and 500 feet in length

- Not enough loges and location is problematic. Around 8 years ago they shoehorned in 250 loge seats in the upper deck causing obstruction problems for people sitting in the upper deck. People who buy loges would ideally have their own separate gathering area, kinda like a club area given the premium they are paying for their seats. This is obviously not possible given their location. Loge seats should be either located on their own level as they are in Edmonton or in the lower bowl (top of the lower bowl or in specific sections ie Barclays arena or Pittsburgh's arena. As with the club seats, you would also need more of this particular premium option - probably around 400- 500 seats. Best of all, they would not obstruct the views of other patrons.

The number of suites, 55 I think, is more than enough. We don't need anymore. Some of the newer arenas have a similar amount and this is in larger cities. But we do need quite a few more premium seating options as the city grows. More growth means more small and medium-sized (and hopefully some large) businesses in the city who could be potential clients of the Jets. Of course, I would expect a slightly larger capacity as well...something in the range of 16,500 - 17000 (maybe 16,500 official capacity with 500 standing room seats to bring it to 17,000).

Possible sites could include the National Research Council of Canada on Ellice and Colony, Blue Cross Park or the old Bomber Stadium site. The latter is not downtown, but it's not that far and is in a pretty central location.
I understand CLC is not ideal and has flaws, but it's paid for. I just don't know how the economics would make any sense until the current arena is too old to safely maintain and keep upgraded anymore.

A new 17,500-18,500 arena would probably cost upwards of $700M CAD today. $200M from TNSE and $500M from the taxpayer? To replace a 20 year old arena? Not gonna happen. Maybe in the 2040s they look at it.
 

wasup

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I think last year we had 9500 season ticket holders and this year it increased to 10000 . That's a long way off the 13000 season tickets that we had a few years back . When I go onto the Jets site looking at tickets a couple days ahead I see way to many available .

It is great the team is doing well now cause that is causing way more walkup sales but if the team was not doing well the attendance would be poor . They need to get back to the 130000 mark and that makes the ticket a hotter commodity to try get .

Fill the arena to 95 percent capacity year after year and justify a larger arena is the only way you may get a new one 15 years down the road . In the mean time CLC is a decent arena and i'm happy to have it .
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Hank Chinaski

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I understand CLC is not ideal and has flaws, but it's paid for. I just don't know how the economics would make any sense until the current arena is too old to safely maintain and keep upgraded anymore.

A new 17,500-18,500 arena would probably cost upwards of $700M CAD today. $200M from TNSE and $500M from the taxpayer? To replace a 20 year old arena? Not gonna happen. Maybe in the 2040s they look at it.
$700M CAD sounds awfully low. Looking at some of the more recent arena projects:

-Climate Pledge Arena ($1.15B USD, and that’s with the skeleton of the original building in place)
-UBS Arena ($1B USD)
-Intuit Dome ($2B USD)
-Scotia Place (Projected $1.25B CAD)

Unless we want to do it on the cheap (again!) it’s likely coming in at over $1B CAD.

Agree that we’re at least a decade away from new arena talks.
 

Hunter368

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$700M CAD sounds awfully low. Looking at some of the more recent arena projects:

-Climate Pledge Arena ($1.15B USD, and that’s with the skeleton of the original building in place)
-UBS Arena ($1B USD)
-Intuit Dome ($2B USD)
-Scotia Place (Projected $1.25B CAD)

Unless we want to do it on the cheap (again!) it’s likely coming in at over $1B CAD.

Agree that we’re at least a decade away from new arena talks.

Oh yeh, its easily 1+ billion by the time the Jets would ever consider it
 

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