Thunderbirds 2024-25

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To be clear, I'm not in favor of rushing him to the NHL or bringing him up now. The only way I want him up later on this year is if he continues taking steps forward and finds a level above his current level of play.

With that said, I really, really, really don't think that the fanbase is going to run him out of town and make him the new whipping boy based on anything he does (or doesn't do) at the NHL level this year (or next year if you're referring to hopes/plans of having him as the 3C out of camp in the fall). Neighbours was an exceedingly incomplete player as a 20 year old through 43 games in 2022/23 and the fanbase in general overlooked tons of his deficiencies in part because of his age. Kyrou wasn't a generalized whipping boy during his first couple NHL stints when he was 20 and 21. Thomas was far from a complete player through 70 games in his D+2 season and he wasn't remotely a whipping boy even in the first half of the season that was an outright disaster. I think the fanbase here in general gives a good amount of leash to rookies when there are obvious holes in their game.

Additionally, while Dvorsky is far from a complete player at this stage of his career, I do think that his current offensive ability will translate to modestly successful NHL production whenever he gets here. I'd expect him to score at a higher rate than the 11 goal, 20-25 point paces that Neighbours/Kyrou had in their first 50ish career NHL games. His shot might be currently better than anyone currently on the roster and he's got the size/strength to not get killed at the NHL level. Our current 3C and 4C are both currently playing at a 7 goal and 20 point pace. Warts and all, I don't believe that Dvorsky would be an overall downgrade from what we currently have. Worse defensively, but with surplus offensive ability to help make the 3rd line somewhat of a threat to score.

Again, this is not a call to bring him up now. I think that the AHL is currently the best place for him to develop and unless he takes a step (or more) in the next 6-8 weeks then I think that will remain true all season. But I don't have any real concerns about the fanbase turning on him based on what he does in the NHL as a rookie. I have seen enough NHL skills to convince me that he won't be an outright disaster of an NHL player (in a limited role) whenever he does get here and I think outright disaster is the line where the fanbase would start to turn on him.

I don't watch nearly as much AHL as you do, but when I have watched I certainly haven't seen a completely invisible or deeply flawed player. He has bad nights and bad shifts for sure, but he has also had more than his fair share of good shifts and good nights. He's not lucking into his production or converting exclusively on plays that won't translate to the NHL. At 19, he is his team's leading scorer in the league that is closest to the NHL in terms of talent and playstyle. For all the 'NHL negative' aspects to his game at the moment, there are absolutely a good amount of 'NHL plus' aspects too. I'm not expecting him to jump into a 3C role and immediately score at a 25 goal, 60 point pace while being an NHL average player off the puck. But I do think that he could come in and play at a 15-20 goal, 40 point pace while being below average but not disastrous off the puck.

I think right now, there is a pretty reasonable chance that on merit, he is better suited to play a 3C role than Sunny or Faksa. I also think that he has the shot to be among the 8 best forward options to put on a PP unit. Because let's face it, the bar for being the 3rd best center and good enough to be the last forward earning PP time on this team is pretty low. We only have 2 centers with 4+ goals and only 6 forwards with 3+ PP points. Barring an acquisition that changes our center depth chart, I would not expect him to riding the pine if he were to be called up and I think that would be a merit decision and not a 'play the prospect' decision.
I have been trying to find a stat for you that would make my opinion more valid for you, but my time has been limited this week. At the least, one third of his points have been generated on the #1 PP. 5 goals is easy to find the assist total I have not. Point being, he may be close to a half point or slightly less at even strength. For the sake of talent upgrade to the nhl, let’s say he scores half of that being generous. You have maybe a 20 point player at best that is going to be a step slow at center and not very good defensively.

That player you are looking for has been out injured all year in Dean. Bolduc is sitting now. Will Dvo keep Bolduc there? Could you swap the two right now? I think Bolduc is the better player for a playoff push. The right deal for a complementary piece…I may even send Bolduc down with Dvo. If we were out of it and Springfield was too, then why not bring him up? Then again…Why? Let’s just let him play as much as possible and develop. Hes 19. That’s my opinion anyway. Right or wrong.
 
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I have been trying to find a stat for you that would make my opinion more valid for you, but my time has been limited this week. At the least, one third of his points have been generated on the #1 PP. 5 goals is easy to find the assist total I have not. Point being, he may be close to a half point or slightly less at even strength. For the sake of talent upgrade to the nhl, let’s say he scores half of that being generous. You have maybe a 20 point player at best that is going to be a step slow at center and not very good defensively.

That player you are looking for has been out injured all year in Dean. Bolduc is sitting now. Will Dvo keep Bolduc there? Could you swap the two right now? I think Bolduc is the better player for a playoff push. The right deal for a complementary piece…I may even send Bolduc down with Dvo. If we were out of it and Springfield was too, then why not bring him up? Then again…Why? Let’s just let him play as much as possible and develop. Hes 19. That’s my opinion anyway. Right or wrong.
I think we have the same opinion about where he should be right now and that the AHL is currently the best thing for his development. I think our disagreement is the level to which he would/could perform if he were plopped into our NHL lineup. I very much see a path for Dvorsky to get meaningful PP deployment in the NHL whenever he gets here. He is better poised to seize the role of 'shooting threat from the right side' on the PP than any of the other young guys. His skillset is one that is severely lacking on our PP, which has struggled. Our best shooting threat on the PP right now is Kyrou, who is right handed. Snuggy has a great shot too, but is also right handed. Our most-used D man on the PP is right handed. We have a defined need on the NHL team for a lefthanded shooter playing the exact PP role that Dvorsky is currently crushing in the AHL.

Again, I'm not pushing for that to happen right now. He needs to prove more to me. I'd rather prioritize his continued development in the AHL over using him to address areas of need on the NHL roster. The fact that our NHL deficiencies align with his strengths is not enough reason to change his development path. I'm not looking to call him up because we have those deficiencies. But if he were to join the NHL team, I think our current roster construction very much would put him in position to produce at a level of competency.

Bolduc has not excelled in the PP role in the 41 PP minutes he's gotten this year. He also never did what Dvorsky has been doing in the AHL. I think Bolduc would have found a more consistent spot in the lineup if he was burying chances on the PP. He has 1 goal on 11 shots through 41 minutes of PP time this year. I have a high degree of confidence that Dvorsky is going to take noticeably more than 11 shots through his first 41 minutes of NHL PP time and I have a reasonable degree of confidence that it will result in more than 1 goal.

I don't see Dean addressing our deficiencies as well as Dvorsky. Dean has never excelled at the PP as well as Dvorsky has and simply doesn't have the shot. Putting the PP aside, even if we assume that 50% of Dvorsky's assists have been on the PP, that would still leave him with 14 even strength points through 33 AHL games. That's the same number of total points that Dean had through 49 AHL games last year.

Would Dvorsky be a flawed, 1 dimensional NHL player if he were plopped into the NHL? Absolutely. Which is part of the reason I'm not ready to bring him here. But that dimension is currently damn good, it aligns with a clear team need, and it is a dimension fans love. I don't see him as an immediate savior to the NHL team, but I really don't see the fans hating the kid.
 
I'd agree that Dvorsky isn't NHL ready to the point that the Blues want him to be, they want to wait till his 100% ready and won't be in the awkward middle ground of being scratched a bunch or sent back down, but if he was brought up, I do think he immediately upgrades the PP in an area that we desperately need.
 
I think we have the same opinion about where he should be right now and that the AHL is currently the best thing for his development. I think our disagreement is the level to which he would/could perform if he were plopped into our NHL lineup. I very much see a path for Dvorsky to get meaningful PP deployment in the NHL whenever he gets here. He is better poised to seize the role of 'shooting threat from the right side' on the PP than any of the other young guys. His skillset is one that is severely lacking on our PP, which has struggled. Our best shooting threat on the PP right now is Kyrou, who is right handed. Snuggy has a great shot too, but is also right handed. Our most-used D man on the PP is right handed. We have a defined need on the NHL team for a lefthanded shooter playing the exact PP role that Dvorsky is currently crushing in the AHL.

Again, I'm not pushing for that to happen right now. He needs to prove more to me. I'd rather prioritize his continued development in the AHL over using him to address areas of need on the NHL roster. The fact that our NHL deficiencies align with his strengths is not enough reason to change his development path. I'm not looking to call him up because we have those deficiencies. But if he were to join the NHL team, I think our current roster construction very much would put him in position to produce at a level of competency.

Bolduc has not excelled in the PP role in the 41 PP minutes he's gotten this year. He also never did what Dvorsky has been doing in the AHL. I think Bolduc would have found a more consistent spot in the lineup if he was burying chances on the PP. He has 1 goal on 11 shots through 41 minutes of PP time this year. I have a high degree of confidence that Dvorsky is going to take noticeably more than 11 shots through his first 41 minutes of NHL PP time and I have a reasonable degree of confidence that it will result in more than 1 goal.

I don't see Dean addressing our deficiencies as well as Dvorsky. Dean has never excelled at the PP as well as Dvorsky has and simply doesn't have the shot. Putting the PP aside, even if we assume that 50% of Dvorsky's assists have been on the PP, that would still leave him with 14 even strength points through 33 AHL games. That's the same number of total points that Dean had through 49 AHL games last year.

Would Dvorsky be a flawed, 1 dimensional NHL player if he were plopped into the NHL? Absolutely. Which is part of the reason I'm not ready to bring him here. But that dimension is currently damn good, it aligns with a clear team need, and it is a dimension fans love. I don't see him as an immediate savior to the NHL team, but I really don't see the fans hating the kid.

Bolduc's shots per 60 on the PP are 1st on the team among players with more than 4 minutes of PP time. And that is with him not being a focus of the PP at all. Dvorsky may get more shits but he would be on PP1 with plays designed to run through him. Bolduc was also on the PP with Schenn, Saad and Sunqvist, not with Thomas, kyrou and Buch.
 
I think we have the same opinion about where he should be right now and that the AHL is currently the best thing for his development. I think our disagreement is the level to which he would/could perform if he were plopped into our NHL lineup. I very much see a path for Dvorsky to get meaningful PP deployment in the NHL whenever he gets here. He is better poised to seize the role of 'shooting threat from the right side' on the PP than any of the other young guys. His skillset is one that is severely lacking on our PP, which has struggled. Our best shooting threat on the PP right now is Kyrou, who is right handed. Snuggy has a great shot too, but is also right handed. Our most-used D man on the PP is right handed. We have a defined need on the NHL team for a lefthanded shooter playing the exact PP role that Dvorsky is currently crushing in the AHL.

Again, I'm not pushing for that to happen right now. He needs to prove more to me. I'd rather prioritize his continued development in the AHL over using him to address areas of need on the NHL roster. The fact that our NHL deficiencies align with his strengths is not enough reason to change his development path. I'm not looking to call him up because we have those deficiencies. But if he were to join the NHL team, I think our current roster construction very much would put him in position to produce at a level of competency.

Bolduc has not excelled in the PP role in the 41 PP minutes he's gotten this year. He also never did what Dvorsky has been doing in the AHL. I think Bolduc would have found a more consistent spot in the lineup if he was burying chances on the PP. He has 1 goal on 11 shots through 41 minutes of PP time this year. I have a high degree of confidence that Dvorsky is going to take noticeably more than 11 shots through his first 41 minutes of NHL PP time and I have a reasonable degree of confidence that it will result in more than 1 goal.

I don't see Dean addressing our deficiencies as well as Dvorsky. Dean has never excelled at the PP as well as Dvorsky has and simply doesn't have the shot. Putting the PP aside, even if we assume that 50% of Dvorsky's assists have been on the PP, that would still leave him with 14 even strength points through 33 AHL games. That's the same number of total points that Dean had through 49 AHL games last year.

Would Dvorsky be a flawed, 1 dimensional NHL player if he were plopped into the NHL? Absolutely. Which is part of the reason I'm not ready to bring him here. But that dimension is currently damn good, it aligns with a clear team need, and it is a dimension fans love. I don't see him as an immediate savior to the NHL team, but I really don't see the fans hating the kid.
My point with Dean at even strength with an extra half year under his belt. “Perhaps” he could hold down the fort as a 3 or 4 center.
 

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