Proposal: Three Way Mayhem - TOR/MIN/UTAH

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TribalPhoenix

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Ryan Hartman
Filip Gustavsson
Josh Doan
Utah 1st 2025 (Top 10 protected)

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Nick Robertson
Timothy Liljegren
EDM 2nd 2025
NYR 2nd 2025

:coyotes (LETS JUST USE THIS FOR UTAH)

Mitch Marner (Signs an 8 year, 11.5M$ contract w/ Utah with no state tax, nets about 3M$ more per season)
 
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They need young, cheap talent - Robertson and Liljegren have a few more years of control, plus some good picks. With the Suter/Parise cap hits, they need cheap & young talent to hit the ice.

The Wild need a lot of things, Robertson and Liljegren are none of them.

The buyout hits only last one more season and then they're gone, and the Wild are completely fine on cap space this season.

Hartman is actually one of the better value pieces on the roster for what he brings at his cap hit. If Gus rebounds, so is he. Making this trade is counterproductive to having cheap quality players.

They also have plenty of young talent of their own ready to hit the ice in the next couple of years.

Nothing about this is appealing to me.
 

Maurice of Orange

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I don't see the appeal for Minnesota
The Wild would be saving over $7mil right off the bat even though Liljegren and Robertson require new contracts as RFA’s with Liljegren being eligible for arbitration.

This deal would also give Wallstedt a clear path to the starting job in Minnesota with a great mentor in MA Fleury also opens up a spot among the forward group for Ohgren or Khusnutdinov and adds younger talent and much needed picks to Minnesota’s roster.
 

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I don't think Utah is interested in a Marner style player.

Edit: Utah also has a state tax.
 
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The Wild would be saving over $7mil right off the bat even though Liljegren and Robertson require new contracts as RFA’s with Liljegren being eligible for arbitration.

This deal would also give Wallstedt a clear path to the starting job in Minnesota with a great mentor in MA Fleury also opens up a spot among the forward group for Ohgren or Khusnutdinov and adds younger talent and much needed picks to Minnesota’s roster.

The Wild don't need that 7M, they have enough cap space for this season, and then the dead cap will be gone.

Wallstedt has a clear path to the NHL when Fleury retires after this next season, and then the Wild still have a tandem of Gus and Wallstedt.

Ohgren and Khusnutdinov will be on the Wild roster next season already.
 

Maurice of Orange

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The Wild don't need that 7M, they have enough cap space for this season, and then the dead cap will be gone.

Wallstedt has a clear path to the NHL when Fleury retires after this next season, and then the Wild still have a tandem of Gus and Wallstedt.

Ohgren and Khusnutdinov will be on the Wild roster next season already.
Hartman also has an NMC so he would have to waive, which isn’t going to happen as the Wild might be without Foligno to start the season due to core muscle surgery, so Hartman’s importance to play up and down the line up could be valuable to the wild next season.

Minnesota needs Gustavsson to have a bounce back season and a healthy Spurgeon to stay competitive.
 

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They need young, cheap talent - Robertson and Liljegren have a few more years of control, plus some good picks. With the Suter/Parise cap hits, they need cheap & young talent to hit the ice.

Liljegren is a walking arbitration nightmare waiting to happen, not strictly "cheap young talent". And Nic Robertson is...whatever. Dime a dozen skilled little winger prospect. He's rarely healthy and never seems to be able to firmly establish himself in the NHL. Later 2nd round picks don't do squat for Minnesota when it comes to the Parise/Suter buyouts. Those picks are more likely five years away from anything, if they pan out at all.


Hartman is also strong value for the Wild. He's a guy that they can even play on the top line, for $4M. Hard to beat that. And Gustavsson is still worth something, and important to Minnesota, in that MAF is old as dirt and almost certainly gone after this season. Wallstedt is a stud prospect, but goalies making that jump full-time, they're going to absolutely need a good stopgap in place - like Gustavsson.



It's just not nearly enough. Minnesota get hosed here.

Utah...they get honour of overpaying Marner. In exchange for what could still very much be a very strong 1st round pick, a promising young player (Doan is more like the sort of piece that Minnesota could use), and just throwing away accumulated 2nd rounder draft capital trade chips like nothing. I don't really see the appeal. Especially when they've already got guys like Keller, Schmaltz, Macelli.



The Leafs get to fix a bunch of problems with a cheap young forward, a super versatile gritty Top-9C/W, a prospective starting goaltender, clear a ton of cap space to spend like drunken sailors in UFA, and get a potentially Top-15 1st round draft pick next year?

The whole Marner to Utah thing is...well, you can debate it or whatever. But if it's going to happen, this wouldn't be the way it looks. It'd need massive rebalancing, especially to include Minnesota. They'd need to be getting something they actually want or need. A lot of the things going to Toronto would have to be either axed from the deal altogether, or redirected to Minnesota.
 

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There is less than zero chance Utah does this.

A likely 1st in the 10-15 range, a guy who is the son of the Coyotes favorite player and 2 2nd round picks next year Marner at 11.5? Not a chance he has that value considering how well Doan played down the stretch.
 

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I don't think anyone does this but Utah. Including Marner.

Marner won't accept a trade to Utah to be the only good player there.

Toronto would rather re-sign Marner than acquire a bunch of meh to replace him.

Liljegren is a complete non-entity, Robertson is alright and two seconds don't move the needle, so Minny isn't interested.

Utah is probably the only one with interest as they're not giving up a ton and they're getting a superstar.
 
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Ryan Hartman
Filip Gustavsson
Josh Doan
Utah 1st 2025 (Top 10 protected)

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Nick Robertson
Timothy Liljegren
EDM 2nd 2025
NYR 2nd 2025

:coyotes (LETS JUST USE THIS FOR UTAH)

Mitch Marner (Signs an 8 year, 11.5M$ contract w/ Utah with no state tax, nets about 3M$ more per season)

Mitch Marner says no, it's Utah

There is less than zero chance Utah does this.

A likely 1st in the 10-15 range, a guy who is the son of the Coyotes favorite player and 2 2nd round picks next year Marner at 11.5? Not a chance he has that value considering how well Doan played down the stretch.

It doesn't matter if Utah Does this because Mitch Marner doesn't do this.
 

Joseph Nathan

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Beyond trash for Minnesota in every aspect! lol Utah also says no. Hartman isn’t waiving. Funny how you think Minnesota gives up two valuable pieces for nothing
 

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I don't think anyone does this but Utah. Including Marner.

Marner won't accept a trade to Utah to be the only good player there.

Toronto would rather re-sign Marner than acquire a bunch of meh to replace him.

Liljegren is a complete non-entity, Robertson is alright and two seconds don't move the needle, so Minny isn't interested.

Utah is probably the only one with interest as they're not giving up a ton and they're getting a superstar.

That's funny because Utah is the first team to say no to this
 

Joseph Nathan

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The Wild don't need that 7M, they have enough cap space for this season, and then the dead cap will be gone.

Wallstedt has a clear path to the NHL when Fleury retires after this next season, and then the Wild still have a tandem of Gus and Wallstedt.

Ohgren and Khusnutdinov will be on the Wild roster next season already.
What Toronto fans are forgetting, Marat and ohgren already have a roster spot! Minnesota doesn’t need cap. Timothy wouldn’t even have a roster spot / play when spurgeon is healthy. Nick is a nothing piece.

Minnesota didn’t sign Hartman to trade him and he’s worth easily 1st. Minnesota doesn’t need to trade Gus for nothing pieces
 

Dead Coyote

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Mitch Marner says no, it's Utah



It doesn't matter if Utah Does this because Mitch Marner doesn't do this.
Of course he does, no shit. That's why this is a pipedream for the Leafs both in the horrendous value going to the other teams and the fact that it will likely never happen that Marner moves to a team that is probably still rebuilding.
 

Dead Coyote

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I don't think anyone does this but Utah. Including Marner.

Marner won't accept a trade to Utah to be the only good player there.
One of the best young goalies in the league, a guy who is exactly the type of player in the playoffs that you need to win, a recent 1st round prospect who just put up 9 points and 5 goals in 11 games, and a pick at likely 11 aren't anywhere close to spare pieces. Toronto is the one giving up spare pieces here with Lilegren and Robertson. Also literally no reason for Utah to trade 2 2nds to Minnesota in this deal. f*** are they giving us? Nothing. If they wanted to retain 50% on Marner, sure, but I doubt they do and that isn't even mentioned in the trade. Minnesota literally just gets 2 2nds for trading Utah nothing.

Oh also Marner isn't even the best wing in our organization, Keller is better and younger and if he was playing with Matthews/Nylander/Tavares would be putting up the same kind of points Marner is if not more. I'd also rather have Crouse. Let alone the players that guys like Cooley, Guenther, Doan, Simashev, But and Lamoreaux might become.

Marner is just a better more expensive version of Schmaltz. He's too old for Utah's core anyways and Maccelli looks like he's going to become a similar player as Marner is. His stats are certainly seriously impressive but stats aren't all there are to the game. I'd much rather have Keller + Crouse or Crouse + Maccelli + Guenther than just Marner.

He also just isn't the kind of player GMBA would be interested in acquiring, especially since he just said he's not giving out long term contracts to UFA aged players.
 

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