My youngest wants to learn to drive a manual transmission. So I'm going to get an extra old car for that purpose since you cannot rent them anymore near me. In looking, I'm running across plenty of people who have no idea what to ask for a car that has 233,000 miles on it that is hardly in mint condition. But I think the craziest are the guys who spend $10k to modify a $5k car and think they can get $15k back and of course the Jeep crowd who customize those and again expect people to pay a grossly inflated price. Does anyone really spend $10k on a 1999 Wrangler with 185k miles and numerous issues?