kirby11
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Yes. It sends a message to both the other team and the guys on our bench...they've got each others backs. First time I've seen it out of the sabres in a while.
Thoughts on the Patrick Kaleta penalty
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Yes. It sends a message to both the other team and the guys on our bench...they've got each others backs. First time I've seen it out of the sabres in a while.
flyingpig
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Agree. Lupol was much further into the crease than Kessel, but his aim was not to hit Miller. He was definitely crashing the net to try to score (as I would want our guys to do on the other end). I was just referencing that players will continue to venture into our crease regardless of our actions. Its strategy. No one is afraid of us. No one will be afraid of us even if we react each time. Still, we need to react each time. No free pass. Team building.
zenthusiast
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Enjoy that phantom call at the end of the game? Everything comes at a cost.
Incidentally, the Leafs must have sent a message without mugging a guy from behind. The Sabres didn't interfere with Scrivens at all! Maybe ask them how to do it?
Incidentally, the Leafs must have sent a message without mugging a guy from behind. The Sabres didn't interfere with Scrivens at all! Maybe ask them how to do it?
flyingpig
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That phantom call was due to years of reputation, and being the last guy to do something so he was caught.
The Sabres need to make life more uncomfortable for the opposing goalie.
FearTheBeard
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No but Kaleta would have gotten that call regardless if he jumped on Kessel or not. The refs know who he is. And why did you change your username..to THAT? lol
zenthusiast
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Surely mugging a guy from behind contributes little to his reputation. And yes, they should. If the other team is stupid enough to cancel out their own PPs, they should often.
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DixonWard15
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Not only do I think Kaleta did the right thing, we have to respond by running their goaltender and declaring "2 minutes, well worth it"
It is the only way to stop this nonsense from continuing
It is the only way to stop this nonsense from continuing
struckbyaparkedcar
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No, because that determines a degree of intent, and the league has consistently thrown the ****ing book at teams that tip their hands that way.
We have to take a page from the Bruins handbook and complain tirelessly about various transgressions against, while adamantly sticking to the "hey, we're just playing our game, *****" line anytime one of our guys crosses the line. It's how they get to be left out from every embellishment discussion despite antics from the likes of Marchand and even tough guys like Thornton.
Paxon
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Nevermind the ridiculous 10 minute matching majors. At first I thought they were matching minors and I was like "OK, that's not really necessary, but I get it". Then we find out they were majors. Ridiculous 'game management' from the refs there.
Wouldn't call grazing the top of the crease 'crashing through the crease'.
It's Phil fkn Kessel, the man wouldn't hurt a fly. He even looked at Miller and presumably tried to apologize. Bonehead Kaleta then decides to be a big man by suckering our star player.
-Leaf fan with partial bias
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BowieSabresFan
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Wouldn't call grazing the top of the crease 'crashing through the crease'.
It's Phil fkn Kessel, the man wouldn't hurt a fly. He even looked at Miller and presumably tried to apologize. Bonehead Kaleta then decides to be a big man by suckering our star player.
-Leaf fan with partial bias
He wasn't trying to do a Lucic. However, Kessel could easily have avoided Miller there. It was pretty obvious he intended to bump him.
flyingpig
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Wouldn't call grazing the top of the crease 'crashing through the crease'.
It's Phil fkn Kessel, the man wouldn't hurt a fly. He even looked at Miller and presumably tried to apologize. Bonehead Kaleta then decides to be a big man by suckering our star player.
-Leaf fan with partial bias
I don't care if its Kessel or Phanouf or Kadri or MacArthur. Sabres need to respond when there is contact with their goalie. Call it a grazing if you want, just do so as you leave.
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Wouldn't call grazing the top of the crease 'crashing through the crease'.
It's Phil fkn Kessel, the man wouldn't hurt a fly. He even looked at Miller and presumably tried to apologize. Bonehead Kaleta then decides to be a big man by suckering our star player.
-Leaf fan with partial bias
If Kessel touched Miller in the hallway on the way to get a Powerade, I'd expect someone to jump him.
I don't care who it is. Don't. Touch. Our. Goalies.
Wouldn't call grazing the top of the crease 'crashing through the crease'.
It's Phil fkn Kessel, the man wouldn't hurt a fly. He even looked at Miller and presumably tried to apologize. Bonehead Kaleta then decides to be a big man by suckering our star player.
-Leaf fan with partial bias
I loved Jim Ralph explaining to Joe Bowen (on TSN) that Kessel was lucky it was just Kaleta, and not big John Scott. Something along the lines of if it was anyone but Kessel, intent would have been assumed and the consequences would have been far more severe.
Nice to see immediate action, well worth the sacrificed PP... and I would kill for a screen grab of Phil's face when the refs finally pulled Patty off his back - he looked so scared & confused. LOL
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Exactly. Intentional, unintentional...the Sabres are in no position to distinguish between them. All contact with the goalie needs to be treated in exactly the same way, whether it was severe or not, premeditated or not, in the crease or not.
Actually your right, your philosophy is spot on. Remember last year when Lucic trucked Miller??? If someone jumped on Lucic we would of had to kill a penalty.
EDIT: Oh wait we lost Miller and the playoff race? What could of been if we protected our goalie last year......
zenthusiast
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Yep, that summarizes what I'm saying perfectly.Actually your right, your philosophy is spot on. Remember last year when Lucic trucked Miller??? If someone jumped on Lucic we would of had to kill a penalty.
Nah, if Miller had stayed healthy he would have demanded a trade, we would have acquired Ott and Lehtonen at the cost of Miller and Goose. We wouldn't have traded Kassian (nor Roy, of course). However, they'd have the capital to land Parise.
Your 2012-13 sabres if they protect Miller:
Vanek-Roy-Pominville
Parise-Ennis-Stafford
Kassian-Grigorenko-Ott
Kaleta-McCormick-Gerbe
Your crystal ball isn't as clear as mine obv
CarlWinslow
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The response was fine although the fact that it was Phil Kessel and clearly not intentional does make me wonder a bit.
I also worry that teams will start intentionally brushing Miller but not hard enough to get a penalty knowing the Sabres will react and give them a power play.
I also worry that teams will start intentionally brushing Miller but not hard enough to get a penalty knowing the Sabres will react and give them a power play.
It sends a message to everyone everywhere. It does not matter who it was, a few more times and other teams will get the message. It will also give Miller more confidence in the crease. Some people seem pretty narrow minded about this philosophy.
I miss the days of Ted Nolan. Hardest working team in Hockey. That team took no sh§t and it was great to watch. I hope we are headed that way again. It is a winning formula.
I miss the days of Ted Nolan. Hardest working team in Hockey. That team took no sh§t and it was great to watch. I hope we are headed that way again. It is a winning formula.
Our team isn't a bunch of crybabies anymore. Since Roy was gone, they're looking more confidence and the team spirit seem to be better than ever. The new, though guys like Ott, Scotty, etc seem to help to in that case. The statement our teams send to the leage at the moment: If you run our goalie, we're gonna hurt you. And I like that.
Paxon
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Honestly, if I had to assume what was going through his head -- I'd rather not -- I'd say he was too focused on the puck to really realize he was definitely going to crash into Miller, so I don't think he deserves much blame. That said, I still support Kaleta or whoever else not allowing that to happen.
Grinder44
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Good response from Kaleta. If any opposing player wants to set up at the top of the crease, they should expect punishment from the Sabres. If one runs over Miller - intentionally or not - they should expect to get pounded immediately. Especially a goal-scorer like Kessel. Kaleta just reminded him why he needs to stay on the perimeter, where he's less dangerous. Hockey 101.
