Thoughts on Chatfield's Takedown Yesterday?

[syz]

I'm surprised the refs let them go after both their lids came off. Thought the modern procedure was to jump in at that point.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Wilson doing stupid shit does not make it OK to do what Chatfield did. These guys have got to have some control of their actions in these situations.

And it's not like McMichael is a fighter either.

Nailed it.

 

[Johniac]

So what I am hearing is that Caps fans think McMichael is too big a wuss to challenge Chatfield himself (which I have no problem with) at their next meeting and will need to send an enforcer like Wilson or McIlrath after Chatfield (a non-fighter). If they come after him and he is not a willing participant, the Caps will likely lose said player for the first round of the playoffs as an instigator. This is particularly true if Bettman is sitting in the stands and they embarrass him on the Ovie chase. It will also turn that game and any eventual series into a bloodbath, so be careful what you wish for.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

It's comical to see people get all uppity about a take down... in a fight.

Big time "Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the war room!" energy.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

There you go, making things up again. McMichael and Chatfield were both going at each other up the ice. If anything, you could say that Chatfield instigated it because McMichael barely hit him.

I see you in your Carolina forum.

"We should call up someone for the sole purpose of taking runs at Wilson and Ovi all game with elbows up when we play them next. No reason not to, not much else to play for and you know they are going to try it, so why not fight fire with fire."

Sad dude.

lol… like you want all the idiotic posts from the Caps forum put out on display here.

‘Wilson’s gonna murder Aho next game’
‘I’ll pay his bail’
‘Canes players faces are the most punchable in the league. Bunch of muppets’

This is the type of shit that comes from someone who moves his arm while looking in a mirror and thinks a different person is waving at them.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

McMichael didnt goad a bull. Chatfield is a human adult who can make decisions, so he needs to be held accountable for his actions. There is no place in hockey for a judo move. Im sure lots of players had both the opportunity and anger/motivation/want to do that move. But they don't, because it is WRONG.

Then he should answer the bell to McMichael and not Wilson. Both guys are non-fighters so he should deal with the guy he tossed.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

What Chatfield did was bad.

All this other stuff belongs in another thread.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

What Chatfield did was bad.

All this other stuff belongs in another thread.

No it belongs here. You can’t tell us what to do

 

[Emerica]

reckless af

 

[eco's bones]

I could see someone getting seriously hurt tossed like that. Did not like that. I think Chatfield should be suspended for that for sure.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Unfortunate incident, probably not intentional, glad the worst didn’t happen.

Caps melted down last night. Turned the third period into an absolute shitshow. Meaningless game and they were on the second half of a back-to-back, not a statement win for the Canes or anything, more of a schedule loss for the Caps. The Caps turned it into a statement win for the Canes by losing it the way they did, and the fight doesn’t happen without that meltdown.

Glad everyone’s healthy, hope next Thursday doesn’t boil over.

 

[Misery74]

So what I am hearing is that Caps fans think McMichael is too big a wuss to challenge Chatfield himself (which I have no problem with) at their next meeting and will need to send an enforcer like Wilson or McIlrath after Chatfield (a non-fighter). If they come after him and he is not a willing participant, the Caps will likely lose said player for the first round of the playoffs as an instigator. This is particularly true if Bettman is sitting in the stands and they embarrass him on the Ovie chase. It will also turn that game and any eventual series into a bloodbath, so be careful what you wish for.

You don’t get suspended for a round of the playoffs for being an instigator.

In spite of this brilliant argument, Chatfield won’t get to choose who on the Caps takes care of this.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It's a takedown, nothing more. In the days of actual fighting this was not a shocking occurence. I think Chatty was just getting leverage any way he could and it came out the way it did. I get Caps fans being upset by it, but in that game there were no angels in general. Caps fans cant claim innocence. I actually generally defend Wilson more than the average person does, but when hes grabbing Stankoven because hes so desperate to pound someone then this is the game youre gonna get. Chatty didnt get involved in that scrap because he had intention of tossing the guy the way he did.

I wasn’t going to get into this upthread, but an unexplored topic in this thread is the idea that a guy who hasn’t fought in 3 years is suddenly capable of executing a full-blown judo throw during a fight.

If it was as simple as that, we’d see guys getting lobbed over the glass by the likes of Chara.

The reason this never happens is because it’s really unusual to see an NHL player get bodily lifted off the ice and ragdolled, especially when he’s squared up and throwing. In this instance McMichael came off the ice like he weighed 50 pounds, which I seriously doubt Chatfield expected or was at all prepared for.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I mean I wish the fight had lasted longer rather than ended like that- but the Canes are seemingly really tired of marquis teams having an absolute spaz attack on them whenever they happen to be beating them soundly. its really getting old.

 

[RussianBum86]

Both helmetless, puts his leg behind McMichael and throws him down, dangerously close to having him smash his head on the ice....

Bro its a fight. once the gloves come off anything goes short of kicking a guy with your skate. You fight to inflict pain on the other player not make a new friend.

 

[HTFN]

Then he should answer the bell to McMichael and not Wilson. Both guys are non-fighters so he should deal with the guy he tossed.

oh it seems like you don't get it...

When a guy answers the bell for a thing he did he's not expecting to get a fair fight with a match up that suits him, the entire point is showing up to take some lumps so that everyone can go about their game. He can step up and risk getting filled in (although most people just duck and hope that's good enough, and it usually is) and then it's a non-issue again.

I wasn’t going to get into this upthread, but an unexplored topic in this thread is the idea that a guy who hasn’t fought in 3 years is suddenly capable of executing a full-blown judo throw during a fight.

If it was as simple as that, we’d see guys getting lobbed over the glass by the likes of Chara.

The reason this never happens is because it’s really unusual to see an NHL player get bodily lifted off the ice and ragdolled, especially when he’s squared up and throwing. In this instance McMichael came off the ice like he weighed 50 pounds, which I seriously doubt Chatfield expected or was at all prepared for.

Chatfield had so much physical control in this fight you almost have to be joking right now. He was absolutely in control of their space for the majority of that fight, he was looking for a "win" even though McMichael was keeping distance and punches weren't landing for anybody, so he took that leverage and threw him down. Everything about the video suggests Chatfield knew exactly what he was doing during the throw, he was literally taking advantage of having the upper hand in strength and position to end the fight via takedown.

 

[HTFN]

Bro its a fight. once the gloves come off anything goes short of kicking a guy with your skate. You fight to inflict pain on the other player not make a new friend.

Nope. Look no further than people who are getting KO'd being guided gently to the ice by the person who just did it, everyone who fights knows that nobody wants a second smack off the ice and they tend to at least do the bare minimum to take care of each other.

 

[RussianBum86]

Nope. Look no further than people who are getting KO'd being guided gently to the ice by the person who just did it, everyone who fights knows that nobody wants a second smack off the ice.

IF you want to throw fist throw them and if you want to slam a guy slam him. You accepted a fight not a boxing match. This is like having a ucf fight and saying no takes downs, no kicks, and no submissions.

 

[HTFN]

IF you want to throw fist throw them and if you want to slam a guy slam him. You accepted a fight not a boxing match.

If you think the NHL "code" for fighting is somewhere along the lines of street fight rules, sure.

I think it's been fairly well established over the history of the sport that most guys who throw fists with each other aren't actively trying to change their career or end their life, which is exactly what makes a hip toss like this something you don't see often. Punch faces, get bloodied, let's go. No problems.

Slamming a guy isn't part of that calculus and never really was. "If you want to slam a guy, slam him" on ice is a f***ing wild take and excessively dangerous even in the context of talking about two guys trying to punch each other.

 

[zappa4ever]

Gee whiz, there's no way he knew what he was doing

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Then he should answer the bell to McMichael and not Wilson. Both guys are non-fighters so he should deal with the guy he tossed.

He should answer in front of the disciplinary committee. That was a straight up dirt bag move. The guy DIDN'T have a helmet and you attempt to slam his head to the ice.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

IF you want to throw fist throw them and if you want to slam a guy slam him. You accepted a fight not a boxing match. This is like having a ucf fight and saying no takes downs, no kicks, and no submissions.

So kicks are okay then?

 

[RussianBum86]

So kicks are okay then?

Are you illilterate or did you make a comment without reading the previous one ? I hope it is the later.

 

[HTFN]

Gee whiz, there's no way he knew what he was doing

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I mean, it's very clear. Punches weren't landing and he wanted a big win at home, all hyped up on adrenaline.

No problem understanding that, but it's crazy to say this wasn't extra or that the throw wasn't intentional (and I'm not alleging intent to injure, just carelessness in this moment)

It's a bad move. Even some of the wilder Canes fans in here recognize it's a bad move and have shifted to explaining why it happened because it's not a defensible decision in that moment. He'll be just fine if he steps up to answer for it and they'll very likely move on, but there's a very valid reason somebody should come calling to keep the code working.

 

[lionsDen]

I get that it's a fight but I don't like it. I also don't think it deserves a suspension but he does deserve to get his bell rung for a move like that.

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