Thoughts on Chatfield's Takedown Yesterday?

[HTFN]

Chatfield doesn't look balanced when he goes over his legs, but that is just my opinion, you can argue he had complete control, but again, it just comes down to your opinion.

He's falling backwards as he is spinning him, how easy is it to get your legs out of the way? Apparently very easy.

that's literally part of how you make a throw like that, it requires more than just the upper body. wrestlers don't look balanced during a suplex either, it's part of the whole deal.

Well if you want to ignore it that's fine but it doesn't mean the Canes or other people will. That's your choice. You don't get to go around shouting at a team saying someone is gonna get hurt, then do some dirty unnecessary shit, and then get to decide whether or not that matters and what the response will be.

Again you act like the problem is with fighting or physicality and not deliberately throwing a guy into a dangerous position to "win" said fight instead of the very likely stalemate that would have occurred. He wanted to win and did something bad to get there, period.

 

[notbias]

So if he meant to do it, it’s dirty? But if he didn’t mean to do it, it’s not dirty?

Or… whether he meant to do it or not, what happened ended up being dirty.

I am saying much like the Orr incident, it is a fight, and when you are swinging around and someone gets tossed because of it, bad things can happen.

I think intent leads to whether it was dirty or not.

But suspensions should happen based on the play, not the intent, so the Orr play is just as suspendable as this one, but no one had an issue with it.

If they start suspending everyone for any sort of move when two players are fighting and one uses their body for a takedown, you'd have at least one suspension per week.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I don’t think it’s that different from a lot of the takedowns we see nowadays, but the league should probably step in and clarify- not cool, very dangerous.

In pro wrestling, spinning around makes a move more powerful. Perhaps this also applies to hockey

 

[chaz4hockey]

Father Gravity is undefeated

On the takedown: looks like a hobo, fights like a hobo, I think it's appropriate. You don't square off with a guy like that and expect "rules"

commenting on players look and calling him a hobo....geez, that's the hill that you as a Canadian fan want to go to?

FWIW: I can run a parade of Canadian players since the 50's and comment on their looks if you want to play that game

 

[Holtbyisms]

As a Capitals fan I'm ecstatic there's no discipline. It means he'll have to answer the bell next week. He's going to regret it if it's Tom Wilson.

 

[notbias]

that's literally part of how you make a throw like that, it requires more than just the upper body.

Okay, so you are just arguing intent.

I am arguing he looks to be off balance from spinning in a circle, but that is just my opinion, yours is that he had complete control.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Don’t see how that’s “trying to injure” Aho. He clearly was trying to hit him but it wasn’t dirty or a penalty.

I would agree. Nothing dirty on the play but I think it's also fair to say Wilson was trying to line him up for a big hit, which is totally fine. But that's maybe where the 'taking a run at him' interpretation is coming from. Taking a run is sort of vague in what it could mean, but ya there is probably some connotation with illegal intent which isn't necessarily the case. I guess we would have had to see what the hit would have been in order to truly judge. Maybe it would have been a legal bone crusher or maybe a Trouba chicken wing.

 

[Number8]

For reference, the Aho/Wilson run in is the first video:

Thank you. I get it now. Yeah, I'd call that taking a run.

 

[notbias]

As a Capitals fan I'm ecstatic there's no discipline. It means he'll have to answer the bell next week. He's going to regret it if it's Tom Wilson.

I know he is the king of cheap shots, so he may just do it for fun, but do you think he even has a problem with that?

Has he been interviewed and said it is bad, or is this a classic case of fans being more upset than the players?

Also, Chatfield is a judo master apparently, so Wilson better watch out.

 

[My3Sons]

My favorite part of that is 165lb Stank putting Wilson on his knees! What a fake bullshit tough guy.

Has Wilson ever tried to fight someone his own size? I mean last night he had a couple good cross checks on Burns and KK but he didn't seem interested in goading either of them into fights now every Canes player under 6 feet and 200lbs he was all over

I had asked that question earlier. The answer is yes, he has fought some heavyweight tough guys. I tend to agree that most of what gets highlighted are his plays against guys he has a size and weight advantage against but he has answered the bell. I'm not suggesting it was every time or even most of the time but it has happened. If you go back a few pages there is some discussion about it.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

that's literally part of how you make a throw like that, it requires more than just the upper body. wrestlers don't look balanced during a suplex either, it's part of the whole deal.

Again you act like the problem is with fighting or physicality and not deliberately throwing a guy into a dangerous position to "win" said fight instead of the very likely stalemate that would have occurred. He wanted to win and did something bad to get there, period.

I don't have a problem with fighting or physicality and I have stated 82634 times on here that it was a bad play by Chatfield and he shouldn't have done it. I'm also saying that Wilson shouldn't have been running his mouth being an idiot and crosschecking guys and the two things are related. You don't seem to think they are or believe Wilson did anything wrong. We disagree and likely the Canes did as well, hence the response from Chatfield. I'm not saying the way they responded was right, but 'right' sort of gets muddy when the other guy isn't acting that way.

 

[max21]

I showed a cross-check to the numbers of a player just before the fight but you guys keep wanting to ignore that

We’re ignoring it because it’s inconsequential and happens literally all the time, the fact that you think this sort of play warrants a different player that had nothing to do with the play getting slammed on the ice is hilarious. Like another poster said I think both guys clearly don’t know how to fight, but Chatfield swung him around while intentionally putting his leg out. It was a highly emotional game, so I already said I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and I’m sure he didn’t actually want to injure him. This is what sports are though, fans at any cost defend their guys and we defend ours.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

As a Capitals fan I'm ecstatic there's no discipline. It means he'll have to answer the bell next week. He's going to regret it if it's Tom Wilson.

Lol Wilson had his chance last night, tried for 2 periods and couldn't do shit and resorted to fighting the smallest Cane on the ice to get any action because he couldn't do anything to anyone else. The idiot is more bark than bite at this point in his career and the refs are much more quick to send him to the box

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Fans that defend this orangutan are up in arms because of a fight?

Lol GTFO, how soft can you be

 

[HTFN]

I don't have a problem with fighting or physicality and I have stated 82634 times on here that it was a bad play by Chatfield and he shouldn't have done it. I'm also saying that Wilson shouldn't have been running his mouth being an idiot and crosschecking guys and the two things are related. You don't seem to think they are or believe Wilson did anything wrong. We disagree and likely the Canes did as well, hence the response from Chatfield. I'm not saying the way they responded was right, but 'right' sort of gets muddy when the other guy isn't acting that way.

Yes, I think it doesn't matter at all in the thread or remotely explain the issue at hand. That's correct. Plenty of fights arise from situations similar to Wilson's and don't end the way Chatfield/McMichael did, and the way that ended was more reckless than anything else that happened by quite a bit.

Wilson did not once put anyone's safety in danger in that way tonight, so you can call it muddy all you want but it's simply not.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

We’re ignoring it because it’s inconsequential and happens literally all the time, the fact that you think this sort of play warrants a different player that had nothing to do with the play getting slammed on the ice is hilarious. Like another poster said I think both guys clearly don’t know how to fight, but Chatfield swung him around while intentionally putting his leg out. It was a highly emotional game, so I already said I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and I’m sure he didn’t actually want to injure him. This is what sports are though, fans at any cost defend their guys and we defend ours.

I'm not even defending Chatfield. I'm just saying Wilson was being a dick and made dirty plays. If you want to claim that's nothing then that's on you but you can't really refute the breakdown of the cross checking play at all because you know nothing I typed was incorrect. Just because it might 'happen all the time' doesn't make it any less of a dirty POS type play and it's reasonable to think there would be a response to that from the other team.

Like I said earlier you don't get to decide what another team or player thinks is inconsequential when they see their player doing nothing wrong get drilled in the back with a dirty cross-check from the guy who shouted all night that he was gonna hurt someone.

 

[HTFN]

Fans that defend this orangutan are up in arms because of a fight?

Lol GTFO, how soft can you be

show me where this is about the fight and not the throw.

 

[CactusCap]

The fans who defend Wilson to the extent they do whining about this to the extent a thread is created is hilariously hypocritical.

It's not great by Chatty, but it's always funny watching a team that routinely tries to bully others whining to high heaven when the opponent steps up and punches back

This isn’t what happened. The Caps were pretty much there to cash a paycheck yesterday. The Canes wanted them to care a lot more than they did, and the Caps were basically like, “Man we are effing gassed. We lose you win. Can you stop being dickheads and just try like 90% please?” And the Canes were like, “Naw man! We are badass! Just like our coach! And you don’t respect us!” And the Caps were all, “No seriously stop being tryhards and we will just skate around and let you win. Otherwise someone is going to get hurt.” Then the Canes were all, “Oh you want to hurt us now?! We knew it! Our dweeb coach told us you didn’t respect us, and now you want to hurt us! It’s so on!” Caps were all, “No. It’s not on. Why are you so weird and wound so tight and exactly like your oddly intense coach?” And the Canes were all, “We are gonna push you around so hard you won’t know what hit you!”

Then the events described ensued. The Canes fans are the same way. It’s so bizarre.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

This isn’t what happened. The Caps were pretty much there to cash a paycheck yesterday. The Canes wanted them to care a lot more than they did, and the Caps were basically like, “Man we are effing gassed. We lose you win. Can you stop being dickheads and just try like 90% please?” And the Canes were like, “Naw man! We are badass! Just like our coach! And you don’t respect us!” And the Caps were all, “No seriously stop being tryhards and we will just skate around and let you win. Otherwise someone is going to get hurt.” Then the Canes were all, “Oh you want to hurt us now?! We knew it! Our dweeb coach told us you didn’t respect us, and now you want to hurt us! It’s so on!” Caps were all, “No. It’s not on. Why are you so weird and wound so tight and exactly like your oddly intense coach?” And the Canes were all, “We are gonna push you around so hard you won’t know what hit you!”

Then the events described ensued. The Canes fans are the same way. It’s so bizarre.

Did you miss the part where all game Wilson was shouting he was gonna hurt a Cane and then drilled a guy in the back with a dirty crosscheck because he went after a loose puck on a rebound?

So, your explanation is that the Caps were being babies because they 'didn't try' and the Canes were whooping them and wouldn't stop so they got mad about the other team playing hockey. I have this correct?

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

Wilson did not once put anyone's safety in danger in that way

 

[HTFN]

I'm not even defending Chatfield. I'm just saying Wilson was being a dick and made dirty plays. If you want to claim that's nothing then that's on you but you can't really refute the breakdown of the cross checking play at all because you know nothing I typed was incorrect. Just because it might 'happen all the time' doesn't make it any less of a dirty POS type play and it's reasonable to think there would be a response to that from the other team.

Why do you think anyone is talking about this? Nobody has talked about the game escalating but you. You are going out of your way to explain something everyone with eyes can see and understand.

The only problem from a serious broad perspective is what Chatfield did, 99% of the rest of it is regular hockey game stuff on both sides. You keep saying you're not defending him but your entire thing is to shift into explaining why he did something he absolutely should not do because other players were doing things we do genuinely see all the time.

Getting blasted for going to the net to get extra stabs at the puck and being hip tossed to the ice aren't the same. Stop doing what you're doing.

 

[HTFN]

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Show it to me. Show me one time last night that even comes close.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Personally I think all 'takedowns' in NHL fights are bad...this one is an extreme example but they have to curb the behavior.

Yes getting punched in the face is a thing but someone getting their head shattered on the ice is obviously far worse

There's a reason so many guys that actually follow The Code hold their opponents jersey tightly when they're going down...but in an era full of rats and guys throwing blows at downed opponents and those who are already restrained by officials I don't expect anything to change until someone actually gets hurt or the NHL sees something and steps in.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

How's that any different from Zdeno Chara ragdolling Bryan McCabe?

 

[PB37]

Yes, I think it doesn't matter at all in the thread or remotely explain the issue at hand. That's correct. Plenty of fights arise from situations similar to Wilson's and don't end the way Chatfield/McMichael did, and the way that ended was more reckless than anything else that happened by quite a bit.

Wilson did not once put anyone's safety in danger in that way tonight, so you can call it muddy all you want but it's simply not.

Wilson literally called for violence and that's what his team got.