Thoughts on Chatfield's Takedown Yesterday?

[HTFN]

The irony of Washington fans outraged over something like this. Wilson escalates the game for no reason other than his lack of brain power and self control. Leads to next scrum/fight sequence. Leads to McMicheal throwing a heavy hit on the Carolina player looking for trouble, finds it.

I hardly imagine Chatfield is a known pugilist so he likely does what he thinks is proper in getting a takedown in a fight that was going nowhere since neither player seemed to understand how to fight properly. Violent yes, and dangerous. And 100% provoked by Washington themselves.

Play games, win prizes or however the saying goes these days.

Heavy hit? It was a rub out on the boards.

If fighting still has a code, part of it is not trying to whip the other guy's head into the ground. No amount of experience or lack thereof allows you to do that without taking responsibility. You have a unique relationship with Washington and Wilson and it's not a surprise at all that you want to take this stance but even among fighters this isn't an acceptable way to knock somebody out.

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the game, based on the first line of that post.

To put it in a single sentence: if the Caps don’t respect the Canes’ safety, then there’s no reason the Canes should respect the Caps’ safety.

It’s as simple as that. Respect is a two-way street. Once it goes out the window on one side, there’s no onus on the other side to keep respecting.

And the league is doing **** all to stop this dynamic, so what’s even to argue about? As soon as this starts being against the rules, they’ll let us know. In the meantime, expect bad things to happen.

I asked you to show me where the intent to injure was, if your response is "you didn't watch the game" you've got nothing. If fighting still has a code at all this is a large part of it, we've seen that when people get knocked out by punches it's considered kindness to ease their opponent to the ice. Where is this intent to injure? Who did it? Because as far as I can tell the most dangerous event in the entire game was this right here.

Chatfield wanted a takedown win and went about it in a way that put his opponent in needless danger even in the context of a fist fight.


I can't even deal with the guy who wants to semantically debate the concept of "clearing the crease" like what happened there is wildly out of bounds. It's just not even remotely close to a real problem and certainly wouldn't be threadworthy by comparison.

 

[AvroArrow]

It's a fight. They're all trying to hurt the other guy.

Of course, I'm all for a fair fight and guys punching each other.

Trying to slam the other guys head on the ice, especially with no helmet isn't it though. Extremely dangerous, then I got a guy telling me that his intent wasn't to hit the other guys head lmao

 

[nothingbeatshockey]

This isn't that complicated.

1) This thread isn't about Tom Wilson
2) Nothing that happened leading up to the Chatfield / McMichael fight excuses what Chatfiled did.
3) Chatfield's MMA move is not excusable. It's dangerous and could have seriously injured McMichael.

Anything short of that is homer Caniacs trying to justify the unjustifiable.

 

[caps4cup]

The irony of Washington fans outraged over something like this. Wilson escalates the game for no reason other than his lack of brain power and self control. Leads to next scrum/fight sequence. Leads to McMicheal throwing a heavy hit on the Carolina player looking for trouble, finds it.

I hardly imagine Chatfield is a known pugilist so he likely does what he thinks is proper in getting a takedown in a fight that was going nowhere since neither player seemed to understand how to fight properly. Violent yes, and dangerous. And 100% provoked by Washington themselves.

Play games, win prizes or however the saying goes these days.

35 second mark. You think that’s a heavy hit? That wouldn’t be considered a heavy hit in a non contact league.

I get that you have Wilson Derangement Syndrome, but calling that a heavy hit is laughable.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

A dangerous play that thankfully didn't result in a serious injury. My guess is that sooner or later Chatfield will have to answer for that.

 

[Derailed75]

For those who didn’t see the game last night, this was the tone immediately leading up to this incident:



Immediately after that, McMichael chased Chatfield down behind the play to instigate another fight. Note that this happened around 5:30, which is right at the borderline where he doesn’t risk a suspension for doing it.

This is the fight in real-time. Remember, neither of these guys is an experienced fighter.



Sorry if I don’t have any pearls handy to clutch over this. The Caps wanted the smoke and they got it. Unsurprisingly, something dangerous happened as a result. It’s not so fun when it’s your guy getting the sharp end of the stick.

My favorite part of that is 165lb Stank putting Wilson on his knees! What a fake bullshit tough guy.

Has Wilson ever tried to fight someone his own size? I mean last night he had a couple good cross checks on Burns and KK but he didn't seem interested in goading either of them into fights now every Canes player under 6 feet and 200lbs he was all over

 

[notbias]

Did you see him trying to do anything else ? If you actually participated in combat sports you'd know what happens when you're swinging someone like that with momentum. Which is hitting the other persons head on the ice.

You don't need to compete in combat sports to know about physics, just FYI.

Regardless, you seem to be the expert.

Can you tell me if any of these sports are combat sports or have any sort of physicality to them?

Hockey, rugby, lacrosse, muay thai, wrestling, and BJJ.

Both, you can hurt the guy and get a physical advantage.

Generally, the objective is advantage.

I'm not insinuating I'm some expert in combat sports, simply that you are completely clueless about combat sports as you've demonstrated once again.

It is clear by your post you are not, that is fine.

Sure, whatever helps you think you are right.

"Hey guys how does swinging someone downward with momentum from the collar like that mean he's trying to hit his had?"

Is this the first fight you've seen in the NHL?

That was a full on judo type of momentum-swing, that results in only 1 thing, hitting your opponents head on the ice/ground. Get a grip man, what a complete joke of a post.

What Judo throw has someone swinging another person around on skates and then tossing them?

You can say it is a Judo throw, but it wasn't.

Your posts are pure emotion and you thinking that you are right just because you wrote it, nothing factual has been written.

 

[discobob]

It's pretty simple... everything that happened on the ice, except for the takedown, happens on the regular in many games across the league. Is some of it worthy of penalties.... of course. The takedown is the piece that could have easily gone TERRIBLY wrong. It didn't, but the league should get out ahead of it and send a message that it's strictly off limits.

 

[notbias]

For those who didn’t see the game last night, this was the tone immediately leading up to this incident:

That guy on Twitter is such an idiot haha.

 

[HTFN]

It's a fight. They're all trying to hurt the other guy.

Okay so punch him. Tie up if you can't punch him, then maybe try punching him again. If you can't hurt him by punching it was an admirable but unimpressive fight. That happens.

What happened wasn't a hockey fighting move

What Judo throw has someone swinging another person around on skates and then tossing them?

You can say it is a Judo throw, but it wasn't.

Your posts are pure emotion and you thinking that you are right just because you wrote it, nothing factual has been written.

Oh so because there are skates none of the principles matter? He created momentum and shifted McMichael's center of gravity up and outward, then blocked his legs and threw him to the ice back first.

What more do you honestly need?

 

[tarheelhockey]

No one on the Caps intentionally tried to injure anyone last night. It was a chippy game.

Chatfield was the only one who attempted to injure.

Chatfield will have to answer for this, and I’m sure several Caps will be willing. Hopefully, Ovechkin takes care of it, just like when he beat Svech.

Wilson: “I’m gonna hurt someone”

TNT reporter: “Wow, Wilson keeps saying he’s gonna hurt someone”

Wilson: “Hey Aho, you’re the guy I’m gonna hurt”

Wilson: *Takes a massive run at Aho with no purpose other than to injure him*

TNT analyst: “Yep, there’s Wilson trying to injure Aho just like he promised”

Misery74: “No one on the Caps intentionally tried to injure anyone last night. It was a chippy game.”

 

[max21]

My favorite part of that is 165lb Stank putting Wilson on his knees! What a fake bullshit tough guy.

Has Wilson ever tried to fight someone his own size? I mean last night he had a couple good cross checks on Burns and KK but he didn't seem interested in goading either of them into fights now every Canes player under 6 feet and 200lbs he was all over

This has been talked about numerous pages back if you read the thread. The fact you actually think Stankoven would have any shot against Tom Wilson is laughable and makes whatever you post easily dismissible.

 

[notbias]

Okay so punch him. Tie up if you can't punch him, then maybe try punching him again. If you can't hurt him by punching it was an admirable but unimpressive fight. That happens.

What happened wasn't a hockey fighting move

Oh so because there are skates none of the principles matter? He created momentum and shifted McMichael's center of gravity up and outward, then blocked his legs and threw him to the ice back first.

What more do you honestly need?

Most fights end with someone trying to take the other person down and either doing it via momentum or leverage, so is every takedown a wrestling move or judo throw and it needs to be banned?

I've seen worse takedowns than this... the current DoPS head has 3 brain cells left because of a more vicious one.

 

[max21]

Wilson: “I’m gonna hurt someone”

TNT reporter: “Wow, Wilson keeps saying he’s gonna hurt someone”

Wilson: “Hey Aho, you’re the guy I’m gonna hurt”

Wilson: *Takes a massive run at Aho with no purpose other than to injure him*

TNT analyst: “Yep, there’s Wilson trying to injure Aho just like he promised”

Misery74: “No one on the Caps intentionally tried to injure anyone last night. It was a chippy game.”

What is this post even about? Tom Wilson said something mean so that makes everything else okay? What a weak argument, you’re not allowed to talk shit or chirp during a game anymore? Wtf!!

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

This isn't that complicated.

1) This thread isn't about Tom Wilson
2) Nothing that happened leading up to the Chatfield / McMichael fight excuses what Chatfiled did.
3) Chatfield's MMA move is not excusable. It's dangerous and could have seriously injured McMichael.

Anything short of that is homer Caniacs trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Well it might not be that complicated but it's definitely more complex then you're making it out to be.

If we are talking about what Chatfield did strictly in the vaccuum of that 10 seconds then sure, but there was an entire game leading up to that point and there's a cause and effect thing going on.

You can't say Canes are dirty and reckless without acknowledging that Wilson was shouting all game that someone on the Canes is 'gonna get hurt' and then also plowing a player in the numbers with a crosscheck right before this happens.

 

[Derailed75]

Oh also that was a bad move by Chat but as has been mentioned the league precedent is nothing comes of it.

 

[AvroArrow]

You don't need to compete in combat sports to know about physics, just FYI.

Regardless, you seem to be the expert.

Can you tell me if any of these sports are combat sports or have any sort of physicality to them?

Hockey, rugby, lacrosse, muay thai, wrestling, and BJJ.



Generally, the objective is advantage.



It is clear by your post you are not, that is fine.

Sure, whatever helps you think you are right.



Is this the first fight you've seen in the NHL?



What Judo throw has someone swinging another person around on skates and then tossing them?

You can say it is a Judo throw, but it wasn't.

Your posts are pure emotion and you thinking that you are right just because you wrote it, nothing factual has been written.

Another garbage post, you're clueless. Just stop at this point man lol.

Bertuzzi wasn't trying to injure Moore either we don't know what the intent was guys, we don't know if he was actually trying to hit him in the back of the head, it could've been an attempted hook that was just mistimed and it's ok because hockey is a physical sport and sometimes stuff happens.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

What is this post even about? Tom Wilson said something mean so that makes everything else okay? What a weak argument, you’re not allowed to talk shit or chirp during a game anymore? Wtf!!

You're still forgetting that pesky crosscheck in the back that sent a Canes player flying, but for some reason you don't think those things are related at all which is weird.

Wilson said he was gonna hurt someone and then he throws a dirty crosscheck... wonder is the other team might respond in someway... hmmm

 

[caps4cup]

Wilson: “I’m gonna hurt someone”

TNT reporter: “Wow, Wilson keeps saying he’s gonna hurt someone”

Wilson: “Hey Aho, you’re the guy I’m gonna hurt”

Wilson: *Takes a massive run at Aho with no purpose other than to injure him*

TNT analyst: “Yep, there’s Wilson trying to injure Aho just like he promised”

Misery74: “No one on the Caps intentionally tried to injure anyone last night. It was a chippy game.”

When did Wilson try to injure Aho? He hit him. Yeah, that’s not saying he didn’t go overboard after that (both on the bench and on the ice), but that hit wasn’t dirty and was generally before tensions got high. Nothing else happened between Wilson/Aho did it?

I genuinely get Canes fans defending their team but the over exaggerating of what objectively happened by both them and Wilson haters is crazy (such as McMichael starting the altercation, him throwing a heavy hit on Chatfield, you saying Wilson tried to injure Aho on that hit, and people saying what Chatfield did is normal in fights).

 

[HTFN]

Well it might not be that complicated but it's definitely more complex then you're making it out to be.

If we are talking about what Chatfield did strictly in the vaccuum of that 10 seconds then sure, but there was an entire game leading up to that point and there's a cause and effect thing going on.

You can't say Canes are dirty and reckless without acknowledging that Wilson was shouting all game that someone on the Canes is 'gonna get hurt' and then also plowing a player in the numbers with a crosscheck right before this happens.

You keep explaining why the fight happened to nobody in particular.

It is without a doubt that these "10 seconds in a vacuum" were the single most dangerous part of last night's game by a lot.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I asked you to show me where the intent to injure was, if your response is "you didn't watch the game" you've got nothing.

If you’re asking me to explain parts of the game to you, and dodging my comment that it sounds like you didn’t watch it, then it’s pretty obvious you actually didn’t watch it and are reacting to what other people have said based on 30-second clips.

What am I supposed to do with this? Invite you to my house so I can catch you up on the content you didn’t see before launching in with opinions?

If fighting still has a code at all this is a large part of it, we've seen that when people get knocked out by punches it's considered kindness to ease their opponent to the ice. Where is this intent to injure? Who did it? Because as far as I can tell the most dangerous event in the entire game was this right here.

Chatfield wanted a takedown win and went about it in a way that put his opponent in needless danger even in the context of a fist fight.

I’ll say it again — the Caps wanted the smoke and they got it. Don’t blame the smart kid for being better at fighting than the bully.

 

[max21]

You're still forgetting that pesky crosscheck in the back that sent a Canes player flying, but for some reason you don't think those things are related at all which is weird.

Wilson said he was gonna hurt someone and then he throws a dirty crosscheck... wonder is the other team might respond in someway... hmmm

A “pesky cross check” lmfao. That’s a crazy hill to die on

 

[Number8]

Wilson: “I’m gonna hurt someone”

TNT reporter: “Wow, Wilson keeps saying he’s gonna hurt someone”

Wilson: “Hey Aho, you’re the guy I’m gonna hurt”

Wilson: *Takes a massive run at Aho with no purpose other than to injure him*

TNT analyst: “Yep, there’s Wilson trying to injure Aho just like he promised”

Misery74: “No one on the Caps intentionally tried to injure anyone last night. It was a chippy game.”

Can someone show me a clip of Wilson taking a "massive run" at Aho?

The only thing I've seen is a clip where Aho has just moved the puck behind the goal, and Wilson who is coming the other way appears to actually try to avoid Aho. Please tell me that's not the play you are referencing. Please.

 

[notbias]

Another garbage post, you're clueless. Just stop at this point man lol.

Bertuzzi wasn't trying to injure Moore either we don't know what the intent was guys, we don't know if he was actually trying to hit him in the back of the head, it could've been an attempted hook that was just mistimed and it's ok because hockey is a physical sport and sometimes stuff happens.

He hit him in the face, not the back of the head, your anatomy is as bad as your combat knowledge...

The Bertuzzi/Moore incident is nothing like this... how are you comparing someone sucker punching someone to a fight?

Just ban fighting if you people are all going to complain about grappling, or better yet, keep fighting but just give them boxing gloves before so they can't grab each other effectively.

 

[tarheelhockey]

What is this post even about? Tom Wilson said something mean so that makes everything else okay? What a weak argument, you’re not allowed to talk shit or chirp during a game anymore? Wtf!!

Another one who turned off the TV at 5-1.