Thoughts on Chatfield's Takedown Yesterday?

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Happens so often nowadays. Players don’t want to punch/get punched so they just try to suplex their opponent down, which is horseshit, and much more dangerous

 

[GhostfaceWu]

In pretty much every fight, someone tries to take down the other guy.

I expected way worse with some of the outrage I've seen.

This isn't judo doing that to a player in skates on ice is the stupidest thing you could do during a fight.

 

[max21]

After Reaves tamed him, Wilson always seemed to play it straight anytime those two were in the same game.

Ah yes, why wouldn’t Wilson fight Reaves for a third time. You’re only talking about a 1st line winger in the box over a 4th line plug, seems very beneficial

 

[Sheppy]

In pretty much every fight, someone tries to take down the other guy.

I expected way worse with some of the outrage I've seen.

Nah, this isn't really true. Especially not like this.

 

[Sheppy]

Ah yes, why wouldn’t Wilson fight Reaves for a third time. You’re only talking about a 1st line winger in the box over a 4th line plug, seems very beneficial

Welcome to the Lucic argument of years past. Everyone demanded he fight every HW in the league.

 

[ONO94]

Ahhh Wilson forced Chatfield to do what he did. Gotcha.

Canes fans are proudly repping their jerks nickname I see.

Actually McMichael forced him to - please show me any evidence Chatfield instigated or even wanted to fight? I'll wait patiently....

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

I don’t like the play, I’d like to see Chatfield at least fined, preferably suspended.

But we have to be careful here - do we just have a problem with slewfoot takedowns or all takedowns? The latter is a natural part of fighting, but you can argue is also very dangerous (especially when helmets come off).

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

You saying Wilson ramped things up is trying to justify what Chatfield did.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Canes fans are not worth my time.

Yes. Wilson running around like an idiot ramped things up. I’m not justifying Chatfields actions but rather explaining the situation. I’m not condoning what he did but I’m telling you why it got to that point at all. Caps and Wilson aren’t blameless. It didn’t come out of nowhere

 

[max21]

Welcome to the Lucic argument of years past. Everyone demanded he fight every HW in the league.

Then your fellow Bruins fan should know. Yeah let’s have one of our best players fight the same dude a third time

 

[Craig Ludwig]

In pretty much every fight, someone tries to take down the other guy.

I expected way worse with some of the outrage I've seen.

Wrong, I agree you try to shake a guy down to the ground with your arms, but he used his leg to slew foot. Deserves suspension.

 

[JimmyG89]

There were 3 games left for the Rangers that season and they finished 11 points out of the playoffs. There was zero reason to have your best player playing even if it was the most minor of injuries.

Does not matter, it shouldn't have happened, right? Wilson shouldn't have done what he did. No discipline handed out. In fact, the only discipline handed out was to the Rangers for calling the league out for it.

At that point, we know where the league and DoPS stands on this, so it's all fair until the league changes their minds on it.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

'Crazy' like Wilson cross checking Walker in the back to send him flying?

Seriously? Cross Checking at the net only happens 128 times a game...

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

lol are you for real here?

talking about Wilson like it would change the outcome of a judo throw is one (crazy) thing but what you're going with is that a crosscheck in front of the net at the whistle is the big action that justifies it all? Just put it all on Wilson's tab and deflect because he shoved a guy who, if I'm not mistaken, was just jamming at the net?

surely that's not what we're saying, right? we remember we're hockey fans and what clearing a crease looks like, don't we?

If you think it’s reasonable to cross check someone in the numbers and send them flying and not expect that to escalate physicality in the game then I don’t know what to tell you.

I’m not condoning what Chatfield did but it didn’t come out of nowhere.

 

[PB37]

Ah yes, why wouldn’t Wilson fight Reaves for a third time. You’re only talking about a 1st line winger in the box over a 4th line plug, seems very beneficial

That's exactly correct. He didn't want to answer to Reaves again, so he played the game straight whenever the two were in the same game and would be rather timid when they saw the ice at the same time.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Seriously? Cross Checking at the net only happens 128 times a game...

There’s difference between ‘cross checking and clearing the crease’ and sending a guy flying because you charged him from behind in the numbers. Why wouldn’t you expect a response to that or that to contribute to the physical nature of the game?

Again, not condoning Chatfield judo takedown but it didn’t happen out of thin air

 

[Isaac Nootin]

If you think it’s reasonable to cross check someone in the numbers and send them flying and not expect that to escalate physicality in the game then I don’t know what to tell you.

Do you watch battles in front of the net, or along the boards? That happens multiple times every game.

 

[tarheelhockey]

“McMichael chased Chatfield down behind the play”



McMichael barely hit Chatfield and Chatfield grabbed him while he was trying to skate away, which is clear in the replay. McMichael in no way chased him down. Not defending anything Wilson did or the tone of the game.

“Chased down” was too strong, but Chatfield was leaving the vicinity. He was clearly not trying to start a fight, skating away after having tugged McMichael or whatever that was after contact.

McMichael wanted the fight, and wasn’t going to take no for an answer.

Bearing in mind neither of these guys really know what they’re doing, it was just a bad overall atmosphere and something the officials should have cut off much, much earlier. The whole third period had a WWE feel.

 

[mrv52]

The one dot not being connected in this thread is that Rod should not have had Stankhoven on the ice, because of Panarin or something something.

 

[illicit]

That's exactly correct. He didn't want to answer to Reaves again, so he played the game straight whenever the two were in the same game and would be rather timid when they saw the ice at the same time.

You are literally making things up.

 

[caps4cup]

Does not matter, it shouldn't have happened, right? Wilson shouldn't have done what he did. No discipline handed out. In fact, the only discipline handed out was to the Rangers for calling the league out for it.

At that point, we know where the league and DoPS stands on this, so it's all fair until the league changes their minds on it.

It shouldn’t have happened. Was just pointing out that saying Panarin sat out the rest of the season, while true, could’ve used some context as well.

 

[NVious]

Should get suspended for the rest of the year, extremely dangerous play for a guy without a helmet.

 

[atlanticobserver]

Should 100% be a suspension for Chatfield, but I can't help but feel that there's an element of the Caps FA and subsequently FO. From what I could tell they initiated the rough stuff when they started losing

 

[Ulysses31]

Both helmetless, puts his leg behind McMichael and throws him down, dangerously close to having him smash his head on the ice....

super dangerous sheesh

 

[PB37]

You are literally making things up.

Wilson has shown NO interest in going with Reaves after Reaves got ejected for the late hit on him a few years ago. You think Wilson lets that go if that was little Panarin or Stankhoven lighting him up that way with a blindside/late hit? Or even a moderately tough guy like Brendan Smith?

 

[caps4cup]

“Chased down” was too strong, but Chatfield was leaving the vicinity. He was clearly not trying to start a fight, skating away after having tugged McMichael or whatever that was after contact.

McMichael wanted the fight, and wasn’t going to take no for an answer.

Bearing in mind neither of these guys really know what they’re doing, it was just a bad overall atmosphere and something the officials should have cut off much, much earlier. The whole third period had a WWE feel.

I mean Chatfield tugged McMichael while he was skating away. You can see he was looking and starting to skate back up ice until Chatfield grabbed him, it’s not like he was chirping at him. Then yeah, McMichael cross checked and slashed him and Chatfield slashed him.

McMichael escalated it and I don’t think either guy was expecting it to necessarily lead to a fight at the beginning, but unless you think that love tap of a hit called for Chatfield grabbing his arm/stick like that when he was already trying to skate away (and tensions were already heated), I would say Chatfield initiated it.