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Player Discussion Thomas Chabot (D) Part 2

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The Devilish Buffoon said:
I was thinking about that Duchene trade yesterday. I think if you re-do that trade 1000 times, it ends up amazingly well.

There was a clearly defined top 18 and now, in retrospect, that top 18 was spot on. If Vegas didn't totally tank to end that year, or if CLB lost another game or two and MTL won another game or two, Columbus' pick is at worst 18th and we get Harley.

As usual, access to objective information has failed to prevent you from being objectively wrong. Always a pleasure, never a chore Alex.
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I just used 425 NHL games / 7 seasons = 60.78 games
Sorry for the rounding
 
Alex1234 said:
I just used 425 NHL games / 7 seasons = 60.78 games
Sorry for the rounding
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Man, it's crazy how injury prone everyone was in 2020! Everyone was hurt for like 40 straight games!

Counting 50 games when he was healthy and either not in the NHL or when the league was completely shut down is not a rounding error, it's just being wrong
 
The Devilish Buffoon said:
Counting 50 games when he was healthy and either not in the NHL or when the league was completely shut down is not a rounding error, it's just being wrong
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I didn't do that
I said he usually plays 60 games per season
You said I was wrong

I was not

You being aggressive doesn't make it wrong

60 games per season doesn't equal 60 games per 82 games
 
Some funny math going on 'round here. Why don't we clear the playing field and look at the actual numbers? A few things to note:

1) He played 1 game in his rookie season before being sent back down.
2) He was called up to stay during the 17-18 season, and played his first game on 10/10/2017. The Sens were already 19 games into the season.

OK, so here's what I'm working with:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Actual Games Played[/TD]
[TD]Possible Games Played[/TD]
[TD]% of Games Played[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2016-17[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2017-18[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]85.37%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019-20[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]87.50%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]71.95%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]82.93%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]61.97%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD]425[/TD]
[TD]508[/TD]
[TD]83.66%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Season-by-season, actual games played vs possible games played. This takes removes any games he could not have played, whether they were games he was not called up for (2016-2018), or games that simply were not played at all.

This provides us with a total actual games played of 425, out of a possible 508 games.

In his career to date, he has missed all of ~17% of games, or 83 games.

Now, you might be saying to yourself - yeah, but his first two seasons are skewing your numbers! OK, we'll remove them to look at full seasons only (also removing this one b/c the fat lady hasn't sung yet).

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Actual Games Played[/TD]
[TD]Possible Games Played[/TD]
[TD]% of Games Played[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]85.37%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019-20[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]87.50%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]71.95%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]82.93%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD]317[/TD]
[TD]373[/TD]
[TD]84.99%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

~85%, or 56 games missed due to injury.

85% of an 82 game season is... drum roll...

69.7 games.
 
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Relapsing said:
Some funny math going on 'round here. Why don't we clear the playing field and look at the actual numbers? A few things to note:

1) He played 1 game in his rookie season before being sent back down.
2) He was called up to stay during the 17-18 season, and played his first game on 10/10/2017

OK, so here's what I'm working with:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Actual Games Played[/TD]
[TD]Possible Games Played[/TD]
[TD]% of Games Played[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2016-17[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2017-18[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]85.37%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019-20[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]87.50%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]71.95%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]82.93%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]61.97%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD]425[/TD]
[TD]508[/TD]
[TD]83.66%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Season-by-season, actual games played vs possible games played. This takes removes any games he could not have played, whether they were games he was not called up for (2016-2018), or games that simply were not played at all.

This provides us with a total actual games played of 425, out of a possible 508 games.

In his career to date, he has missed all of ~17% of games, or 83 games.

Now, you might be saying to yourself - yeah, but his first two seasons are skewing your numbers! OK, we'll remove them to look at full seasons only (also removing this one b/c the fat lady hasn't sung yet).

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]Actual Games Played[/TD]
[TD]Possible Games Played[/TD]
[TD]% of Games Played[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2018-19[/TD]
[TD]70[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]85.37%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2019-20[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]71[/TD]
[TD]100.00%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2020-21[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]87.50%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2021-22[/TD]
[TD]59[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]71.95%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]82.93%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Totals[/TD]
[TD]317[/TD]
[TD]373[/TD]
[TD]84.99%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

~85%, or 56 games missed due to injury.

85% of an 82 game season is... drum roll...

69.7 games.
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Alex1234 said:
I just used 425 NHL games / 7 seasons = 60.78 games
Sorry for the rounding
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Not all seasons were 82 games, Covid 70, Covid 56, this year so far 71,
Rookie season 71 as 11 games in the AHL.
Need to do the math better, before rounding.

No need to be disengenious to make a point, we know he gets injured.

Going by games he could have played if available it’s about 68 or 69 games a year.
 
Injury is something he's been dealing with the last couple of weeks, according to JM.
 
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Regardless of how many games per year Chabot has played, it still points to the fact you need at least 8 legit defenders to get through a season. Chabot has his warts, but we miss his puck carrying & offensive skillset when he goes down.

We need to build our prospect pipeline for defenders I would think.

It will be nice to see Kleven get some games with the big club.
 
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The Devilish Buffoon said:
Shut him down for the season, keep him away from the Worlds, have him play summer league and hopefully come into next season healthy and flying.

Definitely a factor. That plus lots and lots of TOI, lots of retrievals from the corners, and a long history of playing through minor injuries while doing it.
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This is what they should do. But will he actually do the work? That's what I question. He is always terrible to begin the season or gets hurt. Collecting that massive pay cheque, does he have the competitive motivation or is it gone? 10 bananas in the bank this summer.
 
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UglyPuckling said:
Regardless of how many games per year Chabot has played, it still points to the fact you need at least 8 legit defenders to get through a season. Chabot has his warts, but we miss his puck carrying & offensive skillset when he goes down.

We need to build our prospect pipeline for defenders I would think.

It will be nice to see Kleven get some games with the big club.
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There basically isn't a sport out there where building a foundation of solid D isn't the most consistent path to sustained success.

We haven't had a top corps of D in a very, very long time. The pieces seemed to be in place coming into this season but injuries and dare I say coaching philosophy (not to mention goaltending) sabotaged it.

I am a Chabot fan and believe if we let him go, we will regret it. Another good, but big, RD takes care of a lot of ills IMO
 
bert said:
Id really like to see if Kleven is ready to play. He's what this team is missing. I dont see how they can make the money work to get a RHD if they dont move some money out.
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ya, i'm going tonight too. It'll be interesting to see where he is because when I saw him earlier this year he wasn't ready. I actually figured they'd call up Guennette. He looked good in his stint and is an RHD.

excited to see Bedard play tonight too!!
 
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bert said:
Id really like to see if Kleven is ready to play. He's what this team is missing. I dont see how they can make the money work to get a RHD if they dont move some money out.
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They could draft Yakemchuk RD who already has NHL size & could be NHL rready in sooner rather than later.
 
The Devilish Buffoon said:
Man, it's crazy how injury prone everyone was in 2020! Everyone was hurt for like 40 straight games!

Counting 50 games when he was healthy and either not in the NHL or when the league was completely shut down is not a rounding error, it's just being wrong
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Completely disingenuous, like if we were too dumb to not see it

Not only there was covid seasons but he also played 13 games in Belleville in his rookie season, lowering his average too.

#agendas
 
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