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Harbour Dog said:
What's your reasoning for this? He was outscored by a handful of wingers last year (two of which also outscored Stepan, and one of which will be a fellow C this year), and we should of made the ECF. I don't see any reason why that scenario can't play out again.
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We didn't make the ECF. [we should have made the ECF is another way of saying we lost in the second round ]

Z-bad was injured, and when he returned his play was still relatively weak.

He's supposed to be a key player for the team, and if he still has injury issues, it's bad for us.

Aside from checking his totals on Wikipedia , what's your reasoning for such an incredulous response?
 
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ReggieDunlop68 said:
We didn't make the ECF.

Z-bad was injured and when he returned his play was still relatively weak.

He's supposed to be a key player for the team, and if he still has injury issues, it's bad for us.

Aside from checking his totals on Wikipedia , what's your reasoning for such an incredulous reposnse?
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Are you saying that he needs to have a good season for us to do well, or literally that he needs to be our leading scorer (your words). Because the former is defensible, but the latter is absurdly absolute. If you are saying only that he needs to have a good season, then I wouldn't disagree with that. Gonna need Stepan's numbers to be distributed throughout the lineup, and the guy who is inheriting his shoes seems as good a place as any to start. But to say that he needs to lead the team in scoring makes no sense. If any one of Zucc, Miller, Hayes, Shatty, Nash, etc, put up 60-65 points to lead the team, is that not enough to make the playoffs and compete for the Cup?

And if you think that people on this board need to be checking guys totals on Wikipedia to know who outscored who, then its no wonder you don't feel the need to frame sensible arguments.
 
Yes, Zibanejad was so weak that he gradually got better and better after his return and he was our best forward in the playoffs.

Really weak player, IMO.
 
I voted Kreider. He's been getting better and better and more consistent for longer stretches, though he still does disappear at times.

I think/hope/pray that he brings it 90% of the time this year and dominates.
 
If Kreider plays to his best ability for even 90% of games, the Rangers will be a dominate team.
 
Harbour Dog said:
Are you saying that he needs to have a good season for us to do well, or literally that he needs to be our leading scorer (your words). Because the former is defensible, but the latter is absurdly absolute. If you are saying only that he needs to have a good season, then I wouldn't disagree with that. Gonna need Stepan's numbers to be distributed throughout the lineup, and the guy who is inheriting his shoes seems as good a place as any to start. But to say that he needs to lead the team in scoring makes no sense. If any one of Zucc, Miller, Hayes, Shatty, Nash, etc, put up 60-65 points to lead the team, is that not enough to make the playoffs and compete for the Cup?

And if you think that people on this board need to be checking guys totals on Wikipedia to know who outscored who, then its no wonder you don't feel the need to frame sensible arguments.
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I don't think people need to check Wikipedia for stats, but I do think it sounded odd when you pointed out that other players outscored him while not taking it into account that he wasn't on the roster for a good part of the season. You know as if you quickly looked at who had the most points on the team via a web browser on some page that hosts NHL player stats.

Miller, Hayes, and Nash's [Nash at this point in his life] potential for carrying the offensive load are lower than Z-bad, so yeah carrying less hard than those players is definitely not a good sign.

This team as currently constructed is not planning for the parade this year.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
I don't think people need to check Wikipedia for stats, but I do think it sounded odd when you pointed out that other players outscored him while not taking it into account that he wasn't on the roster for a good part of the season. You know as if you quickly looked at who had the most points on the team via a web browser on some page that hosts NHL player stats.

Miller, Hayes, and Nash's [Nash at this point in his life] potential for carrying the offensive load are lower than Z-bad, so yeah that's not a good sign if he isn't carrying hard.

This team as currently constructed is not planning for the parade this year.
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When I say 'outscored', I mean P/60; as in the chart that you quoted. And I referenced Zucc and Miller being ahead of Step, because I assumed your retort would be that Stepan's actual points were much higher than his P/60 indicates, and that Zib would need to replace that production. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey if the guy manages 60-65 points and leads the team. We have so much offensive parity that no one guy has to be far and away better than any other.
 
If healthy, it will absolutely be Zibanejad.

Otherwise, I expect 50-55 points from Zuccarello to lead the way.
 
If KZB stay together the entire season, one of those 3 will lead. Buchnevich can get past 50 points if he stays healthy and gets appropriate PP time.

If Zuke leads in scoring again, this team doesn't have a top 10 offense this year.
 
Harbour Dog said:
When I say 'outscored', I mean P/60; as in the chart that you quoted. And I referenced Zucc and Miller being ahead of Step, because I assumed your retort would be that Stepan's actual points were much higher than his P/60 indicates, and that Zib would need to replace that production. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey if the guy manages 60-65 points and leads the team. We have so much offensive parity that no one guy has to be far and away better than any other.
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If we didn't have the super hot start when Z-bad was on fire, we might not have made the playoffs.

Now you think that if he takes a secondary load, that the Rangers this year will exceed farting out in 6 to a team who's world class player had a broken foot?

And don't give me the love for the crest on the front not the name on the back junk. This isn't a man crush. The best players need to play the best.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
If KZB stay together the entire season, one of those 3 will lead. Buchnevich can get past 50 points if he stays healthy and gets appropriate PP time.

If Zuke leads in scoring again, this team doesn't have a top 10 offense this year.
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Some one said almost the same thing last season but we did have a top 10 offense. Now we did lose Step but if Buch scores 50 and Shatty scores 50 would'nt that cover for Steps Points?
 
NickyFotiu said:
Some one said almost the same thing last season but we did have a top 10 offense. Now we did lose Step but if Buch scores 50 and Shatty scores 50 would'nt that cover for Steps Points?
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Nick. The overall offense was heavily padded in the first 20 games. I mean they don't have a bottom third offense either. Just saying...
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
If we didn't have the super hot start when Z-bad was on fire, we might not have made the playoffs.

Now you think that if he takes a secondary load, that the Rangers this year will exceed farting out in 6 to a team who's world class player had a broken foot?

And don't give me the love for the crest on the front not the name on the back junk. This isn't a man crush. The best players need to play the best.
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Pissing away late game leads cost us the Ottawa series, not an inability to get the lead in the first place. If we can score as many goals as we did last year, then I don't see how it matters if we do it by committee or if we have a 50-goal scorer. Would certainly be easier to do if Zbad blossoms into a legit 1C, and I hope he does, but if he stays healthy and puts up 55-60 points, then that in no way eliminates us from Cup contention.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
Nick. The overall offense was heavily padded in the first 20 games. I mean they don't have a bottom third offense either. Just saying...
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That may be true but don't the first 20 games count the same as games 20-40, 40-60, and 60-80?

I personally said all season our offense was not as good as the numbers indicate. We were playing too wide open. I knew that would change in the playoffs. I do not know if we are top 10 but we are not bad. Just need to find a top line forward.
 
Harbour Dog said:
Pissing away late game leads cost us the Ottawa series, not an inability to get the lead in the first place. If we can score as many goals as we did last year, then I don't see how it matters if we do it by committee or if we have a 50-goal scorer. Would certainly be easier to do if Zbad blossoms into a legit 1C, and I hope he does, but if he stays healthy and puts up 55-60 points, then that in no way eliminates us from Cup contention.
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Again, he has to carry. It doesn't mean he has to have 100 points to carry dead weight. Even with teams that score by committee still need the most talented players driving the committee.

Cup contender is a vague term. I don't think that the team as constructed if a front running cup contender this year. I think last year was the beginning of a new era, and this is the second year of the transition.
 
NickyFotiu said:
That may be true but don't the first 20 games count the same as games 20-40, 40-60, and 60-80?

I personally said all season our offense was not as good as the numbers indicate. We were playing too wide open. I knew that would change in the playoffs. I do not know if we are top 10 but we are not bad. Just need to find a top line forward.
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I mean the first 20 last year were a massive outlier . The team was averaging 5-6 goals a game.

Again, they aren't a bottom third offense either.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
I mean the first 20 last year were a massive outlier . The team was averaging 5-6 goals a game.

Again, they aren't a bottom third offense either.
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I agree with that. I think were a top 7-10 offense as a regular season team but no top line which is important in the playoffs.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
Again, he has to carry. It doesn't mean he has to have 100 points to carry dead weight. Even with teams that score by committee still need the most talented players driving the committee.

Cup contender is a vague term. I don't think that the team as constructed if a front running cup contender this year. I think last year was the beginning of a new era, and this is the second year of the transition.
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I know. You're saying that he 'has to be the main guy carrying the team for us to have any success'. And I'm saying, 'He doesn't'.

It would be nice if he did and I hope it happens, but if our success this year is tied directly to if Zbad can be the guy that other teams plan for, then that is probably not a good thing.

I would tend to agree with where we're at as a franchise, but I still think we're a playoff team. And aside from a couple also-rans, every playoff team has a realistic chance.
 
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