Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don't think Sanheim needed to be in this deal, it sounds more like they were talking about Hayes, then Armstrong inquired about Sanheim, Briere said sure, what are you offering? Armstrong said X, but I have to move a contract to afford Sanheim, how about Krug? . . .

The leaking is not a Flyer thing, just spend any time on TSN, Daily Faceoff, etc. and you'll read rumors and speculation about every team.
In the age of twitter, podcasts and blogs, nothing goes on without comment.
There are so many sources of information, lower level staffers fluffing their ego as "insiders," player agents, third parties who received inquiries, etc.

And yet for years we saw little to no leaks regarding the Flyers, you think that’s just a coincidence that we see so many things now with the Flyers?

The change of tune from the STG crew once Jones was hired was a pretty clear indication of who was feeding them little tidbits.

No, tanking is when you trade players who could be part of a rebuild to deliberately get really bad.
Rebuilding is when you trade players who have no future and replace them with younger assets.

The difference is emphasis, tanking requires committing to being really bad, and even trading players at a discount to achieve that goal.

Rebuilding is a commitment to a long-term strategy to get younger and more talented, but not to deliberately try to be a bad team. A rebuilding team is more likely to add NHL ready prospects who can help them win in a year or two but are still consistent with the strategy.

Cool, so you changed the definition over the last few years. You 100% called it tanking and criticized it when people suggested cutting loose players that served no purpose here in favor of younger and players that may potentially serve a purpose. It happened. You can’t tell us otherwise because we were there and we’re not going to be gaslit.

 

[GKJ]

I am with HC though in Sanheim's involvement/uninvolvment being bizarre. Perhaps it was part of a bigger three team deal for Krug, but one would think we'd have had that leaked.

I think it was just going to be a much larger deal that would’ve happened, not a straight Krug-Sanheim swap. They needed Krug to move to move the money work, but it seems they can’t find him another place to move to.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, tanking is when you trade players who could be part of a rebuild to deliberately get really bad.
Rebuilding is when you trade players who have no future and replace them with younger assets.

The difference is emphasis, tanking requires committing to being really bad, and even trading players at a discount to achieve that goal.

Rebuilding is a commitment to a long-term strategy to get younger and more talented, but not to deliberately try to be a bad team. A rebuilding team is more likely to add NHL ready prospects who can help them win in a year or two but are still consistent with the strategy.

They're the exact same thing.

 

[Danko]

So after wack'n ma weeds, i feel out of the loop...so is the deal now looking like Hayes (50% retained) for the 25th?

Just waitin on that and a Deangelo insurrection in Carolina?

 

[Bumblebee Man]

The national guys suck too, they just quote tweet each other like the local hacks. It's all so stupid. The only reason stuff leaks is because people in charge want it to leak. No one is an insider. No one is sneaky. They're all hacks that think what they do is incredibly important

This soo isn't true. Leaks happen from a laundry list of sources. One team in particular the GM's were going nuts trying to figure out the source and it ended being the person who drafted up contracts

Most definitely some leaks are by design, but man, many, many of these leaks are acquired form unlikely sources in the orgs

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Acting like this scenario is normal & akin the regular rumor mill is disingenuous as all hell. These reports gave pretty exact details from both sides that you’d generally see when a deal is about to hit the NHL trade registry.

 

[Adam Warlock]

If he can get a 1st for just Hayes retained id be very impressed. I suppose its possoble they offered up 2 firsts if sanheim was included.

Also...Faulk has the same exact salary as Krug...why not just deal him instead?

 

[BernieParent]

Here is the issue. Fletcher made so many bad moves that this club is a grease fire. Cleaning it up isn’t going to be easy or cheap.
Hayes and TDA have little value, not because of Tortorella’s use of them. Their value is low because they suck at hockey. Hayes can’t handle center ice any longer. Maybe it’s age, injuries or both but he’s a puck hogging slug on the ice now. TDA has burned his way through several rosters with his bad play and worse attitude. Hayes and TDA were easily two major disappointments on the club. If they were allowed to remain here their dissatisfaction with their roles would become a festering sore. The best solution is to get them out of here. It’s addition by subtraction. The FO is sending a message here to the players. They’re NFA. Come here in shape. Be ready to work and perform. It’s professional hockey. It’s time for the players to step up to that level of work and responsibility.

Thanks for your reply, renberg. I don't disagree generally about the addition by subtraction perspective, although there is a limit to subtracting actual value at the same time. Also, the originally deal had a big helping of addition in Krug (nearly same cap figure for an additional year) AND a reduction of subtraction in retaining on Hayes, which is pretty antithetical to the expressed purpose.

 

[wankstifier]

If he can get a 1st for just Hayes retained id be very impressed. I suppose its possoble they offered up 2 firsts if sanheim was included.

Also...Faulk has the same exact salary as Krug...why not just deal him instead?

Faulk is a good player

 

[deadhead]

If he can get a 1st for just Hayes retained id be very impressed. I suppose its possoble they offered up 2 firsts if sanheim was included.

Also...Faulk has the same exact salary as Krug...why not just deal him instead?

He's a RHD. And a better player than Krug.

 

[GKJ]

If he can get a 1st for just Hayes retained id be very impressed. I suppose its possoble they offered up 2 firsts if sanheim was included.

Also...Faulk has the same exact salary as Krug...why not just deal him instead?

I think Faulk is actually good, and right handed.

 

[Tripod]

If he can get a 1st for just Hayes retained id be very impressed. I suppose its possoble they offered up 2 firsts if sanheim was included.

Also...Faulk has the same exact salary as Krug...why not just deal him instead?

We are going to trade Hayes at 50%....for nothing. I am prepared.

 

[DancingPanther]

This soo isn't true. Leaks happen from a laundry list of sources. One team in particular the GM's were going nuts trying to figure out the source and it ended being the person who drafted up contracts

Most definitely some leaks are by design, but man, many, many of these leaks are acquired form unlikely sources in the orgs

Sure jan

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’ll know something happened when I can’t access the site because it crashed

 

[Danko]

Can someone ask Jamie Baskow and BRRANDDON SUMMMERRMANNN if i can enjoy my sunday?

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Who'd be going to the Flyers from the Maple Leafs? Guessing Matt Murray?

That's what I've thought (and hoped) for weeks, that we take him and a pick for something.

 

[BiggE]

 

[04hockey]

Still waiting for you to admit you were wrong about Tortorella.

I like and respect Torts .....you can take it from there

he had the team playing hard all year, many opposing teams stated that

 

[deadhead]

Toronto has #28, almost no other picks, and a weak prospect pipeline and little cap room.
Not exactly my choice of trade partner.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Toronto has #28, almost no other picks, and a weak prospect pipeline and little cap room.
Not exactly my choice of trade partner.

But it's easy pickings - they desperately need the space.

 

[GKJ]

Feverishly checking my sources, that’s why I have been quiet. I keep asking around but everyone just keeps sending me various laughing emojis.

 

[captainpaxil]

Hayes at 50% should be the same return as the Laughton rumors 29 and a prospect. I'm happy the Krug thing happened as I didn't see enough in there to justify moving sanheim

 

[renberg]

If they want to move Sanheim wouldn’t Calgary, Winnipeg, Edmonton or Vancouver be decent trading partners? It doesn’t have to be St. Louis or bust.

 

[Danko]

So ASF says a low level Center prospect thats essentially a "lottery ticket"

POS	#	MINORS			NAT	POS	AGE	SH	HT	WT	CAP HIT	EXPIRY	GP	G/GAA	A/SV%	P/W-L	P/GP	TOI	+/-	ACQUIRED
F		Koivunen, Ville				RW	20	L	5'11"	161	$805,833	RFA 2026								Drafted (51 - 2021)
F	36	Bokk, Dominik				LW, RW	23	R	6'1"	176		RFA 2023								Traded
F	38	Gunler, Noel				RW, LW	21	R	6'2"	176	$862,500	RFA 2025								Drafted (41 - 2020)
F	49	Mattheos, Stelio				C	24	R	6'1"	194		RFA 2023								Drafted (73 - 2017)
F	54	Tieksola, Tuukka				RW	22	R	5'10"	160	$823,333	RFA 2024								Drafted (121 - 2019)
F	46	Robidas, Justin				C	20	R	5'8"	173	$825,000	RFA 2026								Drafted (147 - 2021)
F	85	Murray, Blake				C	21	L	6'2"	187	$791,667	RFA 2024								Drafted (183 - 2019)
F	47	Pashin, Alexander				C, LW, RW	20	L	5'8"	154	$826,667	RFA 2025

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I like and respect Torts .....you can take it from there

he had the team playing hard all year, many opposing teams stated that

Played so hard we ended up with the 7th overall pick, very tough to play against

So ASF says a low level Center prospect thats essentially a "lottery ticket"

POS	#	MINORS			NAT	POS	AGE	SH	HT	WT	CAP HIT	EXPIRY	GP	G/GAA	A/SV%	P/W-L	P/GP	TOI	+/-	ACQUIRED
F		Koivunen, Ville				RW	20	L	5'11"	161	$805,833	RFA 2026								Drafted (51 - 2021)
F	36	Bokk, Dominik				LW, RW	23	R	6'1"	176		RFA 2023								Traded
F	38	Gunler, Noel				RW, LW	21	R	6'2"	176	$862,500	RFA 2025								Drafted (41 - 2020)
F	49	Mattheos, Stelio				C	24	R	6'1"	194		RFA 2023								Drafted (73 - 2017)
F	54	Tieksola, Tuukka				RW	22	R	5'10"	160	$823,333	RFA 2024								Drafted (121 - 2019)
F	46	Robidas, Justin				C	20	R	5'8"	173	$825,000	RFA 2026								Drafted (147 - 2021)
F	85	Murray, Blake				C	21	L	6'2"	187	$791,667	RFA 2024								Drafted (183 - 2019)
F	47	Pashin, Alexander				C, LW, RW	20	L	5'8"	154	$826,667	RFA 2025

Well he said it's a center, so that narrows it down lol