Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[Beef Invictus]

To be fair to Danny, they did that with Sean Walker.

Also, Granlund has had a major resurgence this season. 45 points in 50 games with SJ prior to the trade. 8 points clear of the 2nd leading scorer on SJ.

On accident! They didn't want to do it. It's impossible to give them full credit for that when they tried so hard to sign him and the trade was their second choice.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

On accident! They didn't want to do it. It's impossible to give them full credit for that when they tried so hard to sign him and the trade was their second choice.

This

 

[Rebels57]

On accident! They didn't want to do it. It's impossible to give them full credit for that when they tried so hard to sign him and the trade was their second choice.

That's fair and worth noting.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

This is not a defense of the recent trade (or any moves for that matter), but if nothing else the team is basically looking at starting scratch from a cap perspective. Now, they had to dig out of the cap issues that they created and they could be in a much better position even if they cleared the cap they did with Farabee and Frost if they had gotten a better return, but it will be interesting to see what they can do in the next few years with that cap space. I would assume, based on past actions that they will do a bunch of dumb shit and get themselves right back in to cap hell, but perhaps they make some shrewd moves to wheel and deal that cap space and make good signings. Unlikely but at least there is a possibility of something to look forward to in the next few years...

They'll have I'm not great with math so my numbers could be off but it looks like with Ryan Ellis counting against the cap next year they have about $72 million tied up with about 7 empty roster spots. I believe the cap is going to be $92 million next year so that's about $20 million if no additional moves are made between now and the deadline. The year after Hayes and Atkinson come off for another $5 million. If they play this right all these dumb moves they've made recently could be forgotten. Obviously, if they never made the dumb moves they'd already be in a better position, but that ship has sailed. I'm stupid for thinking things might change but you never know!

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This is not a defense of the recent trade (or any moves for that matter), but if nothing else the team is basically looking at starting scratch from a cap perspective. Now, they had to dig out of the cap issues that they created and they could be in a much better position even if they cleared the cap they did with Farabee and Frost if they had gotten a better return, but it will be interesting to see what they can do in the next few years with that cap space. I would assume, based on past actions that they will do a bunch of dumb shit and get themselves right back in to cap hell, but perhaps they make some shrewd moves to wheel and deal that cap space and make good signings. Unlikely but at least there is a possibility of something to look forward to in the next few years...

They'll have I'm not great with math so my numbers could be off but it looks like with Ryan Ellis counting against the cap next year they have about $72 million tied up with about 7 empty roster spots. I believe the cap is going to be $92 million next year so that's about $20 million if no additional moves are made between now and the deadline. The year after Hayes and Atkinson come off for another $5 million. If they play this right all these dumb moves they've made recently could be forgotten. Obviously, if they never made the dumb moves they'd already be in a better position, but that ship has sailed. I'm stupid for thinking things might change but you never know!

you know deep down whats gunna happen..

#bucklein..

 

[ajgoal]

This is not a defense of the recent trade (or any moves for that matter), but if nothing else the team is basically looking at starting scratch from a cap perspective. Now, they had to dig out of the cap issues that they created and they could be in a much better position even if they cleared the cap they did with Farabee and Frost if they had gotten a better return, but it will be interesting to see what they can do in the next few years with that cap space. I would assume, based on past actions that they will do a bunch of dumb shit and get themselves right back in to cap hell, but perhaps they make some shrewd moves to wheel and deal that cap space and make good signings. Unlikely but at least there is a possibility of something to look forward to in the next few years...

They'll have I'm not great with math so my numbers could be off but it looks like with Ryan Ellis counting against the cap next year they have about $72 million tied up with about 7 empty roster spots. I believe the cap is going to be $92 million next year so that's about $20 million if no additional moves are made between now and the deadline. The year after Hayes and Atkinson come off for another $5 million. If they play this right all these dumb moves they've made recently could be forgotten. Obviously, if they never made the dumb moves they'd already be in a better position, but that ship has sailed. I'm stupid for thinking things might change but you never know!

There's a problem with this line of thinking, though. Farabee and Frost likely had more they could give you, at a total of ~7.5 million in cap space. Even if you assume the Flyers won't overpay for lesser talent, if they have to dip into free agency just to replace the value F&F were providing, it's going to cost them more due to the nature of free agency. If they trade for similar production at a similar cap hit, it will likely cost more than the 2nd + next millennium 7th they acquired. So either way, they're losing value just to tread water. And that doesn't account for any additional production F&F might have been capable of with a different coach.

 

[FLYguy3911]

A lot of teams are going to have cap room also with the cap going up. Both next year and the two years following. Yes it’s better to have more cap space than not, but it’s not like they are going to have a big advantage like they would if this was the “flat cap” world.

They also weren’t going to re-sign Frost (file that one away) so his cap hit is irrelevant in futures discussions.

 

[freakydallas13]

Getting rid of Frost to save cap space is the most asinine thought train. He's signed until the end of the year and making 2.5 mil. You just signed tippet for 8 year @ 6 mill and they have the same PTS/60. Risto is still here, you could have traded him instead and got actual assets back. Even Laughton frees up more cap space and gives you back assets.

Why this team felt the need to resign every other player but trade F + F makes no sense if it was under the guise of "creating cap space".

 

[LegionOfGloom]

Getting rid of Frost to save cap space is the most asinine thought train. He's signed until the end of the year and making 2.5 mil. You just signed tippet for 8 year @ 6 mill and they have the same PTS/60. Risto is still here, you could have traded him instead and got actual assets back. Even Laughton frees up more cap space and gives you back assets.

Why this team felt the need to resign every other player but trade F + F makes no sense if it was under the guise of "creating cap space".

Or don't extend Hathaway and Seeler. There are a million better ways for a rebuilding team to open up cap space. The fact that Briere doesn't understand that and there's really no reason to open up cap space in the first place given no clear plan on how to spend it is both frightening and completely par for the course.

 

[BiggE]

Getting rid of Frost to save cap space is the most asinine thought train. He's signed until the end of the year and making 2.5 mil. You just signed tippet for 8 year @ 6 mill and they have the same PTS/60. Risto is still here, you could have traded him instead and got actual assets back. Even Laughton frees up more cap space and gives you back assets.

Why this team felt the need to resign every other player but trade F + F makes no sense if it was under the guise of "creating cap space".

There is only one reason that F & F were dealt

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

There's a problem with this line of thinking, though. Farabee and Frost likely had more they could give you, at a total of ~7.5 million in cap space. Even if you assume the Flyers won't overpay for lesser talent, if they have to dip into free agency just to replace the value F&F were providing, it's going to cost them more due to the nature of free agency. If they trade for similar production at a similar cap hit, it will likely cost more than the 2nd + next millennium 7th they acquired. So either way, they're losing value just to tread water. And that doesn't account for any additional production F&F might have been capable of with a different coach.

Like I said, not defending any of the moves, just saying that they should be in a much better position cap and roster wise that if they WERE competent it would bode well. We know they aren't and will in all likelihood blow it in every possible way, but at least there is a CHANCE they used the assets and cap space to whip up a competitive team. I know they won't, but they could...