Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[kudymen]

I’m going to be sent to the mad house from the cackling.

“I don’t think we can outbid Buffalo if they’re serious, they have a lot of high draft picks/prospects they can package”

BUFFALO.

"At least we are not Buffalo. Or would you rather be Buffalo? Dont kid yourself, their management is shit and they dont go anywhere. Luckily we aint them"
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"Man, we cant outbid Buffalo"

 

[freakydallas13]

Asking a team that is wringing its hands over trading Scott Laughton to make a bold deal for a player like EP is like asking someone in the chess club to post up against the captain of the basketball team. It's so far out of the realm of possibility it's laughable.

 

[deadhead]

If you're Vancouver, who do you want?
Cozens or Frost, Samuelson or York.
I don't think Byram would move the needle for Vancouver, he's similar to Drysdale at this point.

It also depends on Vancouver's overall strategy.
If Rutherford wants to rebuild, they've traded a lot of 1st rd picks, so he'd be looking at picks and young prospects.
If he wants to continue to the POs, he needs a top six center back.

 

[BiggE]

I think the whole EP trade possibility will come down to: Does he block shots?


signed,
God Emperor of the Philadelphia Flyers John Tortorella, First of His Name, Ruler of the Grinders, the Muckers and the Culture Men

 

[deadhead]

If Miller is the one they trade, he ain't waiving his NTC for the Flyers, maybe the Rangers, definitely the Canes.
So y'all can relax.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If you're Vancouver, woo do you want?
Cozens or Frost,

I have Cozens as negative trade value to me. Have you looked at that contract?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

If you're Vancouver, who do you want?
Cozens or Frost, Samuelson or York.
I don't think Byram would move the needle for Vancouver, he's similar to Drysdale at this point.

It also depends on Vancouver's overall strategy.
If Rutherford wants to rebuild, they've traded a lot of 1st rd picks, so he'd be looking at picks and young prospects.
If he wants to continue to the POs, he needs a top six center back.

You realize this is a massive indictment of the Flyers front office, past and present, right?

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

The problem (as you and others have pointed out) isn't that you have to take a risk on EP (a risk that seems worth it assuming it doesn't cost the farm), it's that we're talking about the Flyers who are the most vanilla and most risk averse team you can imagine. "Path of least resistance" isn't just a rule for electricity, it's this team's creed. Their entire ethos. They whisper it to themselves like the national anthem.

Trading for EP isn't even something that is on their radar. They're not talking about the risks and benefits of such a trade, their talking about how they can resign median second line winger Noah Cates and all the internal players they have penciled into the future lineups. The safe route. The route they know.

Absolutely. I bet they've already disqualified Pettersson on the "negative" intangibles.

Positive intangibles > on ice skill seems to be the theme these days.

 

[Magua]

This draft stinks.

Remember: the Flyers believe this class is so deep that a couple 30ish picks are the inflection point for the entire rebuild. They circled June 2025 years ago.

I could actually see them buying into the bs Kurz was peddling yesterday to be honest.

I don’t think they realize how much the odds are stacked against them with the current path they’re on. Especially if an opportunity like this comes about & they willingly pass.

They used the same logic for the bridge deal talk. Keith Jones said he’d rather every player sign a bridge deal than a big RFA contract off his ELC. Everything from their floor draft picks to this is the same philosophy: mediocre certainty over risk-reward. They need to know a player (mind you: same organization that lit a 5th overall on fire because an interview impressed them so much…..they knew). They’re the Broad Street Cowards, and I’m tired of people pretending otherwise.

I have Cozens as negative trade value to me. Have you looked at that contract?

His name immediately jumped to my mind as the funniest ever cap dump that Vancouver doesn’t view as a cap dump. It would be perfect actually if he was used as a main piece.

 

[deadhead]

I have Cozens as negative trade value to me. Have you looked at that contract?

What do you think an extension for Frost will be, given he's a "hidden gem?"
5x$5? 6x$6? from 26-30.
Cozens is 5x$7.1M from 24-28

At 21, Cozens put up 68 points, including 24-23 47 at ES.
This year, at 23, on a 14-23 37 pace at ES, 42 total points.

Frost career high is 18-23 41 ES, 46 total points.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What do you think an extension for Frost will be, given he's a "hidden gem?"
5x$5? 6x$6? from 26-30.
Cozens is 5x$7.1M from 24-28

At 21, Cozens put up 68 points, including 24-23 47 at ES.
This year, at 23, on a 14-23 37 pace at ES, 42 total points.

Frost career high is 18-23 41 ES, 46 total points.

I have no idea why I would be expected to give Frost something like 6 x 6. That's not a reasonable ask.

At 21, Cozens shot 15% and the Sabres shot 13% with him on the ice. There's your entire explanation. He's one of the worst defensive Forwards in the entire league. I am baffled as to how you could possibly be defending anything about Cozens' career given how much you value defense.

If you asked me to pick one of these buy low candidates you personally should be out on, it's Cozens. And I'd be right there agreeing with you. Choose wanting solid fundamentals and 200' effort and every other cliché that comes to mind. It will be nice to be on the same side of that one for once.

 

[deadhead]

I have no idea why I would be expected to give Frost something like 6 x 6. That's not a reasonable ask.

At 21, Cozens shot 15% and the Sabres shot 13% with him on the ice. There's your entire explanation. He's one of the worst defensive Forwards in the entire league. I am baffled as to how you could possibly be defending anything about Cozens' career given how much you value defense.

If you asked me to pick one of these buy low candidates you personally should be out on, it's Cozens. And I'd be right there agreeing with you. Choose wanting solid fundamentals and 200' effort and every other cliché that comes to mind. It will be nice to be on the same side of that one for once.

I'm not praising Cozens, but he and Frost will have more value to a team that thinks they can "fix" them.
And the price tags aren't that different, but Cozens has more upside.
Of course, Colorado hasn't fixed Middelstadt yet, nor Buffalo Byram.
At least the Flyers seem to have figured out how to get a real NHL player out of Drysdale.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I'm not praising Cozens, but he and Frost will have more value to a team that thinks they can "fix" them.
And the price tags aren't that different, but Cozens has more upside.
Of course, Colorado hasn't fixed Middelstadt yet, nor Buffalo Byram.

Cozens has a hell of a lot more risk attached. No one is buying them as finished products unless they're idiots. Given that this is the NHL, if you tell me there is one of those, I probably won't argue.

Byram and Mittelstadt didn't have 5+ years left at huge money. And Cozens has a limited NTC for the last 3 of them. They're not apples. I'd have to look, but I'm pretty sure Cozens is worse than either of them before the trade was too.

At least the Flyers seem to have figured out how to get a real NHL player out of Drysdale.

You kick that football, Charlie Brown.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Flyers may not be able to trade Laughton because nobody knows who he is.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Sidenote to the conversation, but I've completely switched my contract searches over to

The Stanley Cap | NHL Salary Cap and Contracts

www.thestanleycap.com

David Johnson (used to work for the Flames) is quite good at making snappy, lightweight websites for these purposes. No giant, intrusive ads. Very little bloat. Love the site.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m going to be sent to the mad house from the cackling.

“I don’t think we can outbid Buffalo if they’re serious, they have a lot of high draft picks/prospects they can package”

BUFFALO.

But I thought we didn't want to be them?

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

I could see them doing something like Tippett, Frost, and a mid-range prospect like Barkey or someone, + whatever picks necessary to get the trade done

I’d do it

 

[bennysflyers16]

Jett Tippy lesser 1st for EP.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Jett Tippy lesser 1st for EP.

If the rumor out there that they don't expect a big return this would probably be a good deal for them.

But we are all kidding ourselves if we think the Flyers would have the smarts/stones/culture to pull that trade off

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

LOLLLLL. He just said it’s Cam York.

The size quota thing is 100% real.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

LOLLLLL. He just said it’s Cam York.

The size quota thing is 100% real.

To be clear, there is no reported injury?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

To be clear, there is no reported injury?

There is not. “They haven’t been thrilled with him.”



Starting around 11:30.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ah yes the blatantly obvious thing to do like 2 months ago.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ah yes the blatantly obvious thing to do like 2 months ago.

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