Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[ybnvs]

I'm not saying you're wrong, here, but I genuinely wonder how much is a GM speaking to other GMs out there vs their real thoughts. We've seen it with Laughton over the last few years, it's pretty clear they want to keep him around and NEED an overpayment for Laughton...But with Risto, I'm not 100% sure.

You're right, peacocking and "selling" your players is certainly part of the gig as GM. I've no clue how much is BS and how much he's speaking with literal honesty, but the RD position is a real big problem in the org and I don't think they want to move Risto with no insurance in the wings. I'm not sold on Drysdale being more than a 3rd pairing guy, and Bonk hasn't played an NHL game. Sanheim should be on the left side, but LD is a logjam.

IDK, mostly spitballing over here, but as a fan on the outside speculating over everything the best I can do is take things at face value as situations present themselves.

 

[Curufinwe]

The thing with Briere, he hasn't exactly shown that he's capable of GM speak. He's been pretty upfront about everything he's done dating back to when he was the assistant to the regional manager and he decided to talk openly about their draft plan to the media right before the draft.

Literal Danny quote before the 2025 draft:

"We are so desperate for centers that I will reach for a 3C even if a 1D falls to us."

 

[flyersnorth]

Literal Danny quote before the 2025 draft:

"We are so desperate for centers that I will reach for a 3C even if a 1D falls to us."

Please tell me you're kidding.

 

[BiggE]

Flyers team management is inept. It has been inept for a long time. There is zero reason to believe this will change any time soon.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I can think of few things I clamor less for than ASF's takes on how to help the Flyers sneak into the playoffs.

He’s totally fine toiling away for a decade plus as long as they make the playoffs.

I don’t think he necessarily is all shill because I do think he thinks the way the Flyers operate is competent thought process.

I was listening to their podcast yesterday & he was saying he wouldn’t trade Ristolainen because you’d just need to acquire someone else to replace him this summer & it would cost more.

 

[deadhead]

No. Read what he said.

“I don’t know yet. There’s been teams that have called to inquire. But Ristolainen has been so good for us too, and he’s not a rental,” Briere said at his midseason press conference on Tuesday. “For us, there’s no rush to trade him. We finally have him healthy. We finally have him playing extremely well. To find a right-shot defenseman like that; to play in your top four, to play as physical as he does, they’re tough to find. We have him here for us. We get excited thinking about trading him and what kind of return we could get, but I’m not shopping him. I’m not trying to get rid of him."



I'm not shopping him. Im not trying to get rid of him.

It is Laughton all over again. Unless it's a massive overpayment (which no GM will do) Risto stays.

Reeks of incompetence and lack of vision, to me.

It's exactly what you say when the player is not a rental and you want to get something before he leaves.

The Flyers don't have a clubhouse issue or a salary cap issue, so they're not forced to make a move - that when you sell at a discount.

But he also has made it clear that either player would be moved for the right offer, but "I'm not trying to get rid of him," i.e. don't bring me lowball offers.

The fact that Laughton was moved to 4LW tells you all you need to know about his current value to the team.
When he was 3C last season, they had no one to replace him.

With the emergence of the Cates line, better play from Frost, and Jett on the way, Laughton becomes expendable. Torts said nice things about Abols, Richard is back from injury. Lycksell I think is behind these two now, he just hasn't show enough to be a short-term patch and too old to be a project.

 

[deadhead]

You're right, peacocking and "selling" your players is certainly part of the gig as GM. I've no clue how much is BS and how much he's speaking with literal honesty, but the RD position is a real big problem in the org and I don't think they want to move Risto with no insurance in the wings. I'm not sold on Drysdale being more than a 3rd pairing guy, and Bonk hasn't played an NHL game. Sanheim should be on the left side, but LD is a logjam.

IDK, mostly spitballing over here, but as a fan on the outside speculating over everything the best I can do is take things at face value as situations present themselves.

Sanheim has said he prefers the right side, so that's not a big issue.
In the short run, they'd move Zamula to RHD.
Grans is the best option on LHV, Samson is years away if ever.
Next season Bonk and Sotheran (and Mann) go pro, Gill in his D+2.

Drysdale keeps playing well since he returned, though he is sheltered to some extent on the third pair,
21g xGF 63.18%, HDCF 64.12%, xGFrel +7.75, HDCFrel +8.47
It's not 2 seasons, but it's a long enough stretch to raise eyebrows

 

[FlyguyOX]

Calling Barzal as our realistic 1C trade target.

 

[thedjpd]

Calling Barzal as our realistic 1C trade target.

Just a guess? Or more to it?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Just a guess? Or more to it?

Guess. NYI need a rebuild, Barzal caught on camera unhappy with fan attendance, pure conjecture on my part.

But seeing as a top center is so hard to acquire, seems as realistic a target as any.

I did get some inside info that flyers FO was working to get Byfield a month or two back. But, Farabee was presumed as a piece LA liked and seeing as he fell off I doubt it happens now. Never know, though. Flyers FO was also looking at Turcotte but he's broken out since then.

 

[deadhead]

Barzal will be 27 next season, signed long-term at $9M
Daily faceoff has him at RW with Horvat at center, but Nelson will probably be traded.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Barzal will be 27 next season, signed long-term at $9M
Daily faceoff has him at RW with Horvat at center, but Nelson will probably be traded.

I think his ability to gain the zone with the puck and play with speed could complement Michkov well.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Byfield is our future 1C

 

[freakydallas13]

Barzal will be 27 next season, signed long-term at $9M
Daily faceoff has him at RW with Horvat at center, but Nelson will probably be traded.

He'll be 28 in May.

 

[pit]

The thing with Briere, he hasn't exactly shown that he's capable of GM speak. He's been pretty upfront about everything he's done dating back to when he was the assistant to the regional manager and he decided to talk openly about their draft plan to the media right before the draft.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Byfield is our future 1C

Sure hope so

 

[renberg]

Clubs do not trade away good centers or deal DCs that yield them. The best way to get a good center is to draft one. The club needs to get in draft position to do that. The only way to get to that point is to finish as low as possible in the standings. That should be the primary aim of the Flyers for the rest of the season.
Unfortunately their HC is operating in a way that is diametrically opposed to this aim. Tortorellla is after wins so that he can preserve what he sees as his reputation as a winner. He has been here for going on three seasons with limited, if any, improvement of the product on the ice. So much for his desired legacy. Someone needs to call him in and let him know what is in the best interests of the organization matter more than his. If he can't live with that, then he needs to step aside.

 

[Audible Velvet]

The thing with Briere, he hasn't exactly shown that he's capable of GM speak. He's been pretty upfront about everything he's done dating back to when he was the assistant to the regional manager and he decided to talk openly about their draft plan to the media right before the draft.

I hate that dopey, bashful, shit eating grin he gets when answering questions. He reminds me of the young vulture from looney tunes.

 

[ybnvs]

Sanheim has said he prefers the right side, so that's not a big issue.
In the short run, they'd move Zamula to RHD.
Grans is the best option on LHV, Samson is years away if ever.
Next season Bonk and Sotheran (and Mann) go pro, Gill in his D+2.

Drysdale keeps playing well since he returned, though he is sheltered to some extent on the third pair,
21g xGF 63.18%, HDCF 64.12%, xGFrel +7.75, HDCFrel +8.47
It's not 2 seasons, but it's a long enough stretch to raise eyebrows

I didn't know that about Sanheim - but should his preference override organizational need? Is he better suited for LD? We've never seen him unleashed at LD like he has been the last two years playing 1RD with York. He grew up playing LD his entire life, but now prefers RD in the NHL? Stranger things happen all the time, but it does make me wonder.

And truthfully, I'm totally ignorant on the late picks like Sotheran, Mann, Gill, I don't follow closely along enough (or have the time) so I have no problem admitting I don't know what to expect with those guys.

Drysdale is looking better I agree. Long way to go.

 

[Audible Velvet]

No. Read what he said.

“I don’t know yet. There’s been teams that have called to inquire. But Ristolainen has been so good for us too, and he’s not a rental,” Briere said at his midseason press conference on Tuesday. “For us, there’s no rush to trade him. We finally have him healthy. We finally have him playing extremely well. To find a right-shot defenseman like that; to play in your top four, to play as physical as he does, they’re tough to find. We have him here for us. We get excited thinking about trading him and what kind of return we could get, but I’m not shopping him. I’m not trying to get rid of him."



I'm not shopping him. Im not trying to get rid of him.

It is Laughton all over again. Unless it's a massive overpayment (which no GM will do) Risto stays.

Reeks of incompetence and lack of vision, to me.

No. Read what he said.

“I don’t know yet. There’s been teams that have called to inquire. But Ristolainen has been so good for us too, and he’s not a rental,” Briere said at his midseason press conference on Tuesday. “For us, there’s no rush to trade him. We finally have him healthy. We finally have him playing extremely well. To find a right-shot defenseman like that; to play in your top four, to play as physical as he does, they’re tough to find. We have him here for us. We get excited thinking about trading him and what kind of return we could get, but I’m not shopping him. I’m not trying to get rid of him."



I'm not shopping him. Im not trying to get rid of him.

It is Laughton all over again. Unless it's a massive overpayment (which no GM will do) Risto stays.

Reeks of incompetence and lack of vision, to me.

I don’t know whether to laugh hysterically, or vomit after reading that quote.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Idk I read his quotes as pretty transparent trade leveraging.

 

[ybnvs]

I don’t know whether to laugh hysterically, or vomit after reading that quote.

I wonder if other GMs also get overly stimulated when fantasizing the kinds of packages they'd receive back for dime-a-dozen type players while also having simultaneous thoughts and acknowledgement that they have no intention of trading any of them in the first place?

Like, it's just Rasmus Ristolainen we're talking about here.

Idk I read his quotes as pretty transparent trade leveraging.

There's nothing transparent with a COMCAST entity.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I wonder if other GMs also get overly stimulated when fantasizing the kinds of packages they'd receive back for dime-a-dozen type players while also having simultaneous thoughts and acknowledgement that they have no intention of trading any of them in the first place?

Like, it's just Rasmus Ristolainen we're talking about here.



There's nothing transparent with a COMCAST entity.

I think Risto is pretty clearly playing like a 2nd pair RHD at the moment. He's at an affordable and market rate cap hit with another year left. That profile of player at the deadline is typically a good return if they're a rental, much less have an extra year.

 

[ybnvs]

I think Risto is pretty clearly playing like a 2nd pair RHD at the moment. He's at an affordable and market rate cap hit with another year left. That profile of player at the deadline is typically a good return if they're a rental, much less have an extra year.

Fully agree with everything. I've been impressed with his improvement and I like the physicality he brings.

But the GM point blank said he is not shopping him. The buck stops there for me.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Idk I read his quotes as pretty transparent trade leveraging.

you should buckle in for no ones getting traded..

cuz thats whats gunna be the outcome