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Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

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Plus if you make the trade early enough, you set the market if not get a value because the market has not been truly set. That is supposedly Jim Rutherford's approach.
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This is DB's approach "derrrr. Mmmmmmrrfff. Yearrrrrrrgh. Okay I'll take a 3rd for Frost in 2029". Joking of course we only know that he won't trade anyone if they are in a playoff hunt. Unless he can't sign them.
 
Unfortunately for Carolina, they seem better at garnering extra picks than using them.
2019: #28, #36, #44, #73, #83, #90, #99, Kochetkov G 4g
2020: #13, #41, #53, #69, Jarvis, Ponomaryov F 5g
2021: #40, #44, #51, #83 #94, Morrow D 2g, Blake F #109, 53g
 
deadhead said:
2020: #69
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Deady, that's Alexander Nikishin. I don't think we want to count that one as a miss!

But mostly what this says to me is that if they're a model franchise by your standard and you don't like their drafting, the guy who ran their pro side during those years must have been amazing. If only he was available at the right time for this team.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
Deady, that's Alexander Nikishin. I don't think we want to count that one as a miss!

But mostly what this says to me is that if they're a model franchise by your standard and you don't like their drafting, the guy who ran their pro side during those years must have been amazing. If only he was available at the right time for this team.
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Or Brind'Amour is a really good coach, and if they won't pay him . . .

Nikishin is still in Russia so he didn't show up as playing NHL games.
 
deadhead said:
Or Brind'Amour is a really good coach, and if they won't pay him . . .
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He might be a really good coach. I know I struggle with exactly how much coaching impact is strictly positive versus eliminating the negatives, but there are other fair ways to look at it. I don't think we're close to being sure how to evaluate these guys.

But please tell me how it can be that a coach can be the main reason for Carolina's success and you've continually defended every mediocre or worse guy that has come through this org in the last dozen or so years. I feel like you have to pick a lane here. Either coaches can do that and we should hold hires to that standard or they can't.
 
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Well he obviously screwed up, b/c Barkey, Brink, Andrae, Gendron, Pautov pushed that average down.
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(I agree with you in general though)
 
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He might be a really good coach. I know I struggle with exactly how much coaching impact is strictly positive versus eliminating the negatives, but there are other fair ways to look at it. I don't think we're close to being sure how to evaluate these guys.

But please tell me how it can be that a coach can be the main reason for Carolina's success and you've continually defended every mediocre or worse guy that has come through this org in the last dozen or so years. I feel like you have to pick a lane here. Either coaches can do that and we should hold hires to that standard or they can't.
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It's hard to determine the contribution of coaching, but Carolina did an instant turnaround when they hired Brind'Amour.
Yes they traded for Hamilton and Ferland but lost Hanifin and Lindholm.
Svechnikov wasn't good enough as a rookie to move the needle.
Mrazek and McElhinney in goal?

Since then, biggest moves were trading for Trocheck (2020 season), letting Hamilton walk, trading a 1st for Skjei, bringing in TDA and signing Kotkaniemi to an offer sheet (2021), bringing in Burns, Noesen, Martinook and Andersen (2022), etc.

They're not fooled easily, when Nedeljikovic had a career season at 25, instead of giving him big money they moved him for a 3rd and Bernier, hasn't approached that season since.

Seems the philosophy is retain your core forwards and D-men, then patch around the edges with low cost veterans on short deals.
But the one consistent factor is Brind'Amour.
 
deadhead said:
It's hard to determine the contribution of coaching, but Carolina did an instant turnaround when they hired Brind'Amour.
Yes they traded for Hamilton and Ferland but lost Hanifin and Lindholm.
Svechnikov wasn't good enough as a rookie to move the needle.
Mrazek and McElhinney in goal?

Since then, biggest moves were trading for Trocheck (2020 season), letting Hamilton walk, trading a 1st for Skjei, bringing in TDA and signing Kotkaniemi to an offer sheet (2021), bringing in Burns, Noesen, Martinook and Andersen (2022), etc.

They're not fooled easily, when Nedeljikovic had a career season at 25, instead of giving him big money they moved him for a 3rd and Bernier, hasn't approached that season since.

Seems the philosophy is retain your core forwards and D-men, then patch around the edges with low cost veterans on short deals.
But the one consistent factor is Brind'Amour.
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Two consistent factors -- Tulsky running the pro side.

I'd have been more than fine trying both!
 
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I wasn't sold on Kolosov from the start. He's really small and relies on his athleticism. If he doesn't want to go down to the Phantoms, have fun back in Russia
 
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