Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[GKJ]

If TML is looking at Laughton as a center solution then they'll be pining to get Dubas back in a couple years.

The idea is they were looking at cheaper options

 

[Beef Invictus]

The idea is they were looking at cheaper options

Sure, but he shouldn't be a C option. Not on a team looking to contend.

Though I suppose they could see it as temporary and intend to move him to wing long term

 

[Curufinwe]

Laughton is playing wing behind Coots, Cates, Frost and Poehling at center. Wonder if Dreger even knows that. The guy is very lazy, and whines a lot about having to do his job.

 

[trostol]

a contender should come along and nab TK from us lol

 

[deadhead]

Darren Dreger on Insider Trading said the Leafs are looking for centers and the Flyers have a 1st round pick price for Laughton.

Same as it ever was

Of course they have a 1st rd price for Laughton, same way they had a first rd price for Walker.
You always highball as a seller when you start negotiations, you don't bid against yourself.

Since Toronto has no cap room, part of the deal will be to take a bad forward contract back, probably Kampf, and that plus Laughton is worth their 2026 1st.

 

[Adam Warlock]

Of course they have a 1st rd price for Laughton, same way they had a first rd price for Walker.
You always highball as a seller when you start negotiations, you don't bid against yourself.

Since Toronto has no cap room, part of the deal will be to take a bad forward contract back, probably Kampf, and that plus Laughton is worth their 2026 1st.

I have no problem with them wanting a 1st for laughton.

What I have a problem with is if a team offers a 1st and they still dont trade him.

Of course they have a 1st rd price for Laughton, same way they had a first rd price for Walker.
You always highball as a seller when you start negotiations, you don't bid against yourself.

Since Toronto has no cap room, part of the deal will be to take a bad forward contract back, probably Kampf, and that plus Laughton is worth their 2026 1st.

I have no problem with them wanting a 1st for laughton.

What I have a problem with is if a team offers a 1st and they still dont trade him.

 

[GKJ]

The only time they were seriously thinking of trading him was when they thought they needed to trade up for Michkov and were going to get picks from the Blues for him.

 

[Rebels57]

I have no problem with them wanting a 1st for laughton.

What I have a problem with is if a team offers a 1st and they still dont trade him.



I have no problem with them wanting a 1st for laughton.

What I have a problem with is if a team offers a 1st and they still dont trade him.

I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.

 

[deadhead]

I think they hesitated to trade Laughton b/c of the gapping hole at center.

Going into the season, they didn't know what to expect of Couts, Frost or Cates, Poehling was a 4C and nothing at LHV (Rizzo surgery, Abols unknown, Gaucher not on the radar).

Couts is showing his age and the surgeries, still functional but not a top six center anymore.
On the other hand, Frost and Cates may finally have "arrived," we'll see the second half.

Ideally, they can move both Laughton and Risto and get a veteran center back as a salary throw-in to hold the fort until they can develop young centers.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I think they hesitated to trade Laughton b/c of the gapping hole at center.

Going into the season, they didn't know what to expect of Couts, Frost or Cates, Poehling was a 4C and nothing at LHV (Rizzo surgery, Abols unknown, Gaucher not on the radar).

If all of this is true, it just means that they lack imagination. Laughton by your own admission is not a good Center. I would certainly agree. Hasn’t been for years.

You can just take a scrap heap guy and get a passable NHL player on a short term deal for moderate money. But that requires a coherent plan. Alas!

While we’re at it, this is the Carolina model. You have to recognize who is replaceable and how. And then not be afraid to pull the trigger.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Ryan Johansen, anyone?

 

[freakydallas13]

I think they hesitated to trade Laughton b/c of the gapping hole at center.

Going into the season, they didn't know what to expect of Couts, Frost or Cates, Poehling was a 4C and nothing at LHV (Rizzo surgery, Abols unknown, Gaucher not on the radar).

Couts is showing his age and the surgeries, still functional but not a top six center anymore.
On the other hand, Frost and Cates may finally have "arrived," we'll see the second half.

Ideally, they can move both Laughton and Risto and get a veteran center back as a salary throw-in to hold the fort until they can develop young centers.

Riddle me this, Deadman:

Why does a gaping hole at center matter during a rebuild?

 

[deadhead]

If all of this is true, it just means that they lack imagination. Laughton by your own admission is not a good Center. I would certainly agree. Hasn’t been for years.

You can just take a scrap heap guy and get a passable NHL player on a short term deal for moderate money. But that requires a coherent plan. Alas!

While we’re at it, this is the Carolina model. You have to recognize who is replaceable and how. And then not be afraid to pull the trigger.

But there's also no rush. GMs get in trouble when they make moves just to show they're doing something.

Now if Laughton isn't moved before the draft, Briere screwed up, b/c he has no future with this team, same with Risto. I'd like to add 2026/2027 1st/2nd rd picks to spread out talent in the pipeline (so when current players approach 30, replacements are coming up).

But Laughton's value is probably higher than last summer, b/c he's playing much better and has a year less on his contract, same holds for Risto. When a player hits 30+, a GM wants to be able to dump them at low cost if they fall off the cliff, so shorter contract term makes a player more attractive.

 

[deadhead]

Riddle me this, Deadman:

Why does a gaping hole at center matter during a rebuild?

Because if you have a Brink, Foerster, Michkov, Farabee, a bad center means you'll stifle their development.

You can see that at LHV, playing with Gardner is not optimal for the young forwards there. They've looked much better with Gaucher and Abols.

This is why you see rebuilding teams bring in veterans on short-term deals, just to give the kids someone to play with who has a clue.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

But there's also no rush. GMs get in trouble when they make moves just to show they're doing something.

Now if Laughton isn't moved before the draft, Briere screwed up, b/c he has no future with this team, same with Risto. I'd like to add 2026/2027 1st/2nd rd picks to spread out talent in the pipeline (so when current players approach 30, replacements are coming up).

Please stick to this and fair enough, even if I disagree on the deadline. There just has to be a point at which we admit there’s a problem.

But Laughton's value is probably higher than last summer, b/c he's playing much better and has a year less on his contract, same holds for Risto. When a player hits 30+, a GM wants to be able to dump them at low cost if they fall off the cliff, so shorter contract term makes a player more attractive.

This part I don’t think I agree with at all. Laughton won’t be a cheap addition. That’s the whole point of all of this, right? So I don’t buy that lopping off his Age 30 season makes him more valuable. If it changes it at all, it makes him less so. The problem is the back end of the deal, not the front. Or at least it is if you think he’s worth trading a real asset to acquire.

 

[deadhead]

Please stick to this and fair enough, even if I disagree on the deadline. There just has to be a point at which we admit there’s a problem.



This part I don’t think I agree with at all. Laughton won’t be a cheap addition. That’s the whole point of all of this, right? So I don’t buy that lopping off his Age 30 season makes him more valuable. If it changes it at all, it makes him less so. The problem is the back end of the deal, not the front. Or at least it is if you think he’s worth trading a real asset to acquire.

I said last summer that Risto would probably be dealt this summer with 2x5 left on his deal, b/c it would be much easier for teams to fit him under the cap (or swap another contract in a deal). Much preferable to have Risto for 2 years than signing Chariot or Savard in their 30s to 4 year deals.

Laughton has a year after this season, which makes him more than a TDL rental, but not long enough that a GM would worry about him at 32-33 years old. If you trade for him and like his play, you can always negotiate a short-term extension next season with minimal risk (you get to kick the tires). $3M is doable for most teams.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Approaching the deadline: This is more of an offseason move when the players value will be higher.

Approaching the offseason: This is more of a deadline move when the players value will be higher.

Rinse & repeat.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I said last summer that Risto would probably be dealt this summer with 2x5 left on his deal, b/c it would be much easier for teams to fit him under the cap (or swap another contract in a deal). Much preferable to have Risto for 2 years than signing Chariot or Savard in their 30s to 4 year deals.

Laughton has a year after this season, which makes him more than a TDL rental, but not long enough that a GM would worry about him at 32-33 years old. If you trade for him and like his play, you can always negotiate a short-term extension next season with minimal risk (you get to kick the tires). $3M is doable for most teams.

It was doable last year too. If I valued current Scott Laughton enough to trade a 2 or a 1 or whatever other threshold you want to put in it, I would strongly prefer to buy 30-32 than 31-32 at 3 per. They’ve burned off the highest value year of his remaining contract this season. Inarguably.

I would not take Scott Laughton for free. We know GMs do not agree with that. Those years of control were good for them. Those are the relevant opinions to trade value.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I said last summer that Risto would probably be dealt this summer with 2x5 left on his deal, b/c it would be much easier for teams to fit him under the cap (or swap another contract in a deal). Much preferable to have Risto for 2 years than signing Chariot or Savard in their 30s to 4 year deals.

Laughton has a year after this season, which makes him more than a TDL rental, but not long enough that a GM would worry about him at 32-33 years old. If you trade for him and like his play, you can always negotiate a short-term extension next season with minimal risk (you get to kick the tires). $3M is doable for most teams.

Do you condemn Chuck Fletcher

 

[Beef Invictus]

But there's also no rush. GMs get in trouble when they make moves just to show they're doing something.

Now if Laughton isn't moved before the draft, Briere screwed up, b/c he has no future with this team, same with Risto. I'd like to add 2026/2027 1st/2nd rd picks to spread out talent in the pipeline (so when current players approach 30, replacements are coming up).

But Laughton's value is probably higher than last summer, b/c he's playing much better and has a year less on his contract, same holds for Risto. When a player hits 30+, a GM wants to be able to dump them at low cost if they fall off the cliff, so shorter contract term makes a player more attractive.

They're 2 years behind building for Michkov's prime. Heading towards 3 years behind. They're past the point where they need to start being in a rush.


They haven't been in a rush since Hextall was GM. Has it worked?

 

[freakydallas13]

Because if you have a Brink, Foerster, Michkov, Farabee, a bad center means you'll stifle their development.

You can see that at LHV, playing with Gardner is not optimal for the young forwards there. They've looked much better with Gaucher and Abols.

This is why you see rebuilding teams bring in veterans on short-term deals, just to give the kids someone to play with who has a clue.

Playing with poor centers could impact their output for sure, but their development? That's a stretch, even for you.

EVEN IF YOU THINK their development is stunted playing in the NHL with poor centers, we're supposed to believe that playing with Scotty Laughty last year as their center helped their development?

Absolutely not.

 

[deadhead]

It was doable last year too. If I valued current Scott Laughton enough to trade a 2 or a 1 or whatever other threshold you want to put in it, I would strongly prefer to buy 30-32 than 31-32 at 3 per. They’ve burned off the highest value year of his remaining contract this season. Inarguably.

I would not take Scott Laughton for free. We know GMs do not agree with that. Those years of control were good for them. Those are the relevant opinions to trade value.

You know better, if that were true, why do teams overvalue rentals at the TDL?
A lot of GMs weigh control v salary cap flexibility over the summer.
Rentals are thought to help you win now without tying your hands in the future.

Depends on the team, its situation and its current and future cap.
Teams that struggle to sign free agents will value extra seasons more than desirable locations that might not want to be locked into a player.

Toronto for example has no problem attracting FAs, but has serious cap issues.
Winnipeg might value that extra contract year.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You know better, if that were true, why do teams overvalue rentals at the TDL?
A lot of GMs weigh control v salary cap flexibility over the summer.
Rentals are thought to help you win now without tying your hands in the future.

Depends on the team, its situation and its current and future cap.
Teams that struggle to sign free agents will value extra seasons more than desirable locations that might not want to be locked into a player.

Toronto for example has no problem attracting FAs, but has serious cap issues.
Winnipeg might value that extra contract year.

TDL rentals have a significantly lower cap hit due to the way dollars accrue.

If you'd like to change Laughton to a rental, that's fine. But the premise here was not one.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

this has to be the most well fed troll ever..

just sayin.