Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[Flyerfan4life]

ChatGPT, write a message board post for HFboards.com defending former Philadelphia Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher's tenure in the style of deadhead.



It got the length right for one of his shorter essays, threw in an "I think" or two, but ultimately it gave way too much credence to the idea that Fletcher could have possibly done anything wrong to be truly credible. Shame, I was looking forward to our new AI overlords, but it seems we'll have to wait a bit longer. Maybe they'll be ready in 2 more years?

post of the godam century ....

 

[GKJ]

On the pod yesterday, Elliotte talked about how he was surprised the Ducks game lacked juice given the lead up to it. Not breaking news here but he affirmed that Gauthier soured on the Flyers after he wasn’t signed when they were turning over the front office and how that was communicated to him.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Do guys on this team really give a shit about Gauthier to that degree? I doubt the whole team were ever really extensively around him as he never did a pro camp &/or preseason.

 

[Curufinwe]

Did Trouba play in the Anaheim game? I didn’t notice him

 

[nacc BLOCC]

Yes, truly Fletcher went out and was "mediocre" (see: bad) as GM because that was what Homer told him to do.

I know you're trying to make Fletcher look less awful, but you painting him to be nothing but a pathetic "yes man", scuttling around and covering his head with this hands anytime someone so much as looks at him, makes him look even more useless.

Little baby Fletcher, the team's president and general manager, had to make the team bad on purpose because big bad Homer told him to. Charles was incapable of acting or even thinking on his own, because he's basically some tiny crab creature who is afraid of his own shadow?

Okay. What a pathetic husk of a human. Guess we should have hired someone to chew his food for him while we were at it, seeing as he can't do anything on his own. Maybe clean up the drool that pools in the corner of his mouth? Stop him from shoving crayons up his nose? Good to know that's the kind of person this team gives multiple titles and positions of authority to. Sycophantic mouth breathers who are physically incapable of making decisions on their own. Great.

mmmmfmfffffghhhhh

 

[deadhead]

Yes, truly Fletcher went out and was "mediocre" (see: bad) as GM because that was what Homer told him to do.

I know you're trying to make Fletcher look less awful, but you painting him to be nothing but a pathetic "yes man", scuttling around and covering his head with this hands anytime someone so much as looks at him, makes him look even more useless.

Little baby Fletcher, the team's president and general manager, had to make the team bad on purpose because big bad Homer told him to. Charles was incapable of acting or even thinking on his own, because he's basically some tiny crab creature who is afraid of his own shadow?

Okay. What a pathetic husk of a human. Guess we should have hired someone to chew his food for him while we were at it, seeing as he can't do anything on his own. Maybe clean up the drool that pools in the corner of his mouth? Stop him from shoving crayons up his nose? Good to know that's the kind of person this team gives multiple titles and positions of authority to. Sycophantic mouth breathers who are physically incapable of making decisions on their own. Great.

Holmgren pretty much said he wanted a "yes" man, that decisions would be made by consensus (i.e. the advisors would get input).

 

[Fight4yourRight]

Holmgren pretty much said he wanted a "yes" man, that decisions would be made by consensus (i.e. the advisors would get input).

And this is different from Briere… how?

 

[freakydallas13]

Holmgren pretty much said he wanted a "yes" man, that decisions would be made by consensus (i.e. the advisors would get input).

Again, you portraying Chuck as a pathetic yes man doesn't make his hiring/tenure any better.

 

[deadhead]

And this is different from Briere… how?

Briere, Jones and Torts haven't made any decision b/c of advisors.
Hilferty genuflects toward them b/c he wants to emphasize the franchise's history for marketing purposes.

If they had real influence, why hasn't Briere traded for a veteran center and goalie to make a playoff run? That's what they'd advise given past behavior.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere, Jones and Torts haven't made any decision b/c of advisors.
Hilferty genuflects toward them b/c he wants to emphasize the franchise's history for marketing purposes.

If they had real influence, why hasn't Briere traded for a veteran center and goalie to make a playoff run? That's what they'd advise given past behavior.

Purely made up in your head.

 

[kudymen]

I dont understand how the same person who keeps saying "There is no THEY! Stop making it up!!" can keep making up fan fictions about Dave Scott, Chuck Fletcher, Paul Holmgren, Daniel Briére or Flahr.
Same person who years ago repeatedly said "Have you been in the room with Ron Hextall?" keeps making stuff about (among others) Hextall or Holmgren years later.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I know the current sentiment around here is pretty negative regarding Chuck Fletcher’s tenure as Flyers GM, but I really think we need to take a breath and look at his time in charge from a more balanced perspective. Yes, there were some mistakes, and yes, the team didn’t get over the hump as quickly as many of us hoped, but that doesn’t mean Fletcher’s entire tenure should be dismissed as a failure.

Had me until the bot said some mistakes. There was only one and even that wasn't really a mistake.

 

[deadhead]

I dont understand how the same person who keeps saying "There is no THEY! Stop making it up!!" can keep making up fan fictions about Dave Scott, Chuck Fletcher, Paul Holmgren, Daniel Briére or Flahr.
Same person who years ago repeatedly said "Have you been in the room with Ron Hextall?" keeps making stuff about (among others) Hextall or Holmgren years later.

Holmgren said this, I didn't make it up.

In 2018, it was then-team president Paul Holmgren who pushed for Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott to remove Ron Hextall from the job. . . . . And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate . . . He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.

Take a look at Scott’s words in July 2019:

“Probably one of the biggest pluses is (Fletcher is) a collaborative guy, he’s smart and he’s got a very open style,” . . . You got Chuck’s staff in there, the new coaching staff in there, the data analytics people together. It’s something I hadn’t seen in the six years I’ve been here. Just full collaboration. And everyone agreeing on what moves we were going to make.”

It was a shot at Hextall, yes. But it also played as an endorsement of what Scott had been led to believe mattered most in a successful Flyers front office — collaboration. And that included the franchise legend senior advisers in the organization — Clarke, Holmgren and Bill Barber.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4297092/2023/03/11/philadelphia-flyers-organization-culture-fletcher/

Holmgren and Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott hired Fletcher and told him the biggest short-term goal was making the playoffs this season because Hextall’s plan was taking too long.

Flyers Mailbag: The search for a goalie marches on

The Flyers have the worst save percentage in the NHL at .885 and have had five goalies play so far this season. They've never had six.

www.courierpostonline.com

Hextall was often a man on an island in his belief in protecting the Flyers’ future, and Scott left no doubt Thursday that he and Holmgren prefer Fletcher’s willingness to put their vision into practice.

That collaboration – that lockstep thinking that long characterized the franchise – will extend beyond the offices in Voorhees. It already has. Bob Clarke advises Fletcher. Bill Barber advises Scott. Holmgren isn’t leaving the area.

Paul Holmgren’s departure from the Flyers doesn’t mean what you might think it means | Mike Sielski

It’s a sign that the franchise is embracing the past, not breaking from it.

www.inquirer.com

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It’s almost like the entirety of this board has called for ALL of those people to be removed from the organization for years.

Now I’ll be told that these people ARE gone despise evidence to the contrary.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I swear that at this point, Dead’s account is actually just a bot trolling this entire board.

 

[BernieParent]

And this is different from Briere… how?

Briere says "oui".

 

[Larry44]

post of the godam century ....

Seconded.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He did what he was hired to do by Holmgren:
1) keep everyone in the loop
2) WIN NOW
3) don't rock the boat.

Fletcher was mediocre b/c that's what Holmgren (Clarke may have recommended him but it was Holmgren's decision) wanted - someone who'd make the safe moves to get them back in the playoffs.

To give Fletcher credit, he was a decent President, got Comcast to invest a lot more money in analytics, coaching, etc. than they had done under Holmgren/Hextall. But as a GM . . .

He was a horror show president. His coaching investments were clearly bad and he himself admitted that he ignored the analytics guys he hired.

Every GM that has ever been hired has been hired to make the team win. Can we stop pretending that this was some unique condition expected of Fletcher which tied his hands? It's nonsense.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Holmgren said this, I didn't make it up.

In 2018, it was then-team president Paul Holmgren who pushed for Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott to remove Ron Hextall from the job. . . . . And Hextall was infuriatingly patient, a far cry from the hyper-aggressive team-building strategies of Holmgren and Bob Clarke.

In stepped Clarke. Less than 24 hours after Hextall was let go, Fletcher’s name popped up as a candidate . . . He knew Fletcher to be a genuinely good person, and a collaborative GM at heart. Fletcher wouldn’t freeze out the alumni as Hextall had.

Take a look at Scott’s words in July 2019:

“Probably one of the biggest pluses is (Fletcher is) a collaborative guy, he’s smart and he’s got a very open style,” . . . You got Chuck’s staff in there, the new coaching staff in there, the data analytics people together. It’s something I hadn’t seen in the six years I’ve been here. Just full collaboration. And everyone agreeing on what moves we were going to make.”

It was a shot at Hextall, yes. But it also played as an endorsement of what Scott had been led to believe mattered most in a successful Flyers front office — collaboration. And that included the franchise legend senior advisers in the organization — Clarke, Holmgren and Bill Barber.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4297092/2023/03/11/philadelphia-flyers-organization-culture-fletcher/

Holmgren and Comcast Spectacor CEO and chairman Dave Scott hired Fletcher and told him the biggest short-term goal was making the playoffs this season because Hextall’s plan was taking too long.

Flyers Mailbag: The search for a goalie marches on

The Flyers have the worst save percentage in the NHL at .885 and have had five goalies play so far this season. They've never had six.

www.courierpostonline.com

Hextall was often a man on an island in his belief in protecting the Flyers’ future, and Scott left no doubt Thursday that he and Holmgren prefer Fletcher’s willingness to put their vision into practice.

That collaboration – that lockstep thinking that long characterized the franchise – will extend beyond the offices in Voorhees. It already has. Bob Clarke advises Fletcher. Bill Barber advises Scott. Holmgren isn’t leaving the area.

Paul Holmgren’s departure from the Flyers doesn’t mean what you might think it means | Mike Sielski

It’s a sign that the franchise is embracing the past, not breaking from it.

www.inquirer.com

My favorite part of this is how it confirms Fletcher was hired thanks to Clarke, not Homer.

 

[kudymen]

My favorite part of this is how it confirms Fletcher was hired thanks to Clarke, not Homer.

"Yeah but who is THEY?"