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BernieParent

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dgaspari said:
The Flyers need to take a home run swing and be creative in their approach to rebuilding. my suggestion:

approach Carolina and offer Ristolainen for a cap dump,
Kkaotniemi. neither side will retain any salaries. Carolina dumps 28M in salaries plus 6 years of a contract and picks up $15M and 3 years of his contract for a net savings of $13M in salaries and 3 contract years.

Carolina, which could lose 3 UFA defensemen, picks up an experienced blueliner. The Hurricanes are a playoff team and at the trade deadline, those teams are always looking for a physical right-handed. Carolina gets their need early.

This is a win-win for them.

The Flyers get a young talented player in Kkaotniemi. there are no cap consequences in the first two years since his salary match with Ristolainen. if Jasper turns out to be a top-six player, the Flyers have him on a below-average contract. if he turns out to be a bust after 2 years, the Flyers can buy him out. Because of his age, the buyout is only 33% or $6.8 M, a similar amount to Risto's contract in his final year. (I understand there are some accounting differences on the buy out)

this is an ideal situation for the Flyers
they lose the Risto contract.
they take a homerun swing on a young talented player.
if they are wrong, they can correct the situation with no complication so their salary cap
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I'd be in favour if it were Ristolainen going the other way, but I highly doubt Carolina would entertain this move.
 
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dgaspari said:
The Flyers need to take a home run swing and be creative in their approach to rebuilding. my suggestion:

approach Carolina and offer Ristolainen for a cap dump,
Kkaotniemi. neither side will retain any salaries. Carolina dumps 28M in salaries plus 6 years of a contract and picks up $15M and 3 years of his contract for a net savings of $13M in salaries and 3 contract years.

Carolina, which could lose 3 UFA defensemen, picks up an experienced blueliner. The Hurricanes are a playoff team and at the trade deadline, those teams are always looking for a physical right-handed. Carolina gets their need early.

This is a win-win for them.

The Flyers get a young talented player in Kkaotniemi. there are no cap consequences in the first two years since his salary match with Ristolainen. if Jasper turns out to be a top-six player, the Flyers have him on a below-average contract. if he turns out to be a bust after 2 years, the Flyers can buy him out. Because of his age, the buyout is only 33% or $6.8 M, a similar amount to Risto's contract in his final year. (I understand there are some accounting differences on the buy out)

this is an ideal situation for the Flyers
they lose the Risto contract.
they take a homerun swing on a young talented player.
if they are wrong, they can correct the situation with no complication so their salary cap
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no ones trading for Risto...

dude is a plug
 
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GKJ

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dgaspari said:
The Flyers need to take a home run swing and be creative in their approach to rebuilding. my suggestion:

approach Carolina and offer Ristolainen for a cap dump,
Kkaotniemi. neither side will retain any salaries. Carolina dumps 28M in salaries plus 6 years of a contract and picks up $15M and 3 years of his contract for a net savings of $13M in salaries and 3 contract years.

Carolina, which could lose 3 UFA defensemen, picks up an experienced blueliner. The Hurricanes are a playoff team and at the trade deadline, those teams are always looking for a physical right-handed. Carolina gets their need early.

This is a win-win for them.

The Flyers get a young talented player in Kkaotniemi. there are no cap consequences in the first two years since his salary match with Ristolainen. if Jasper turns out to be a top-six player, the Flyers have him on a below-average contract. if he turns out to be a bust after 2 years, the Flyers can buy him out. Because of his age, the buyout is only 33% or $6.8 M, a similar amount to Risto's contract in his final year. (I understand there are some accounting differences on the buy out)

this is an ideal situation for the Flyers
they lose the Risto contract.
they take a homerun swing on a young talented player.
if they are wrong, they can correct the situation with no complication so their salary cap
Click to expand...
Carolina doesn’t see KK with that low of value I don’t think.
 
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Beef Invictus

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dgaspari said:
The Flyers need to take a home run swing and be creative in their approach to rebuilding. my suggestion:

approach Carolina and offer Ristolainen for a cap dump,
Kkaotniemi. neither side will retain any salaries. Carolina dumps 28M in salaries plus 6 years of a contract and picks up $15M and 3 years of his contract for a net savings of $13M in salaries and 3 contract years.

Carolina, which could lose 3 UFA defensemen, picks up an experienced blueliner. The Hurricanes are a playoff team and at the trade deadline, those teams are always looking for a physical right-handed. Carolina gets their need early.

This is a win-win for them.

The Flyers get a young talented player in Kkaotniemi. there are no cap consequences in the first two years since his salary match with Ristolainen. if Jasper turns out to be a top-six player, the Flyers have him on a below-average contract. if he turns out to be a bust after 2 years, the Flyers can buy him out. Because of his age, the buyout is only 33% or $6.8 M, a similar amount to Risto's contract in his final year. (I understand there are some accounting differences on the buy out)

this is an ideal situation for the Flyers
they lose the Risto contract.
they take a homerun swing on a young talented player.
if they are wrong, they can correct the situation with no complication so their salary cap
Click to expand...

Carolina is way too smart to want Risto. They have no use for him
 
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Beef Invictus said:
Carolina is way too smart to want Risto. They have no use for him
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Then again they took on and used TDA. Somewhere in Risto is a decent NHL player. So far no one, including himself, has been able to bring that out. A different organization with a different scheme along with a different attitude on his part and it may finally click. Some other organization might be see that and be willing to take a chance.
The Kotkaniemi for Risto swap makes some sense. The Canes aren’t exactly in love with his performance there. They expected more out of him when they signed him.
 
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TheKingPin said:
Rumor is that Minnesota wants to get bigger and Rossi may available. What kind of return could they be looking for from us?
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He's not actually bigger, but I'm pretty sure Konecny's the only piece we have that a) we'd be willing to offer and b) would be of enough interest to Minnesota to get some traction in talks. I'd love to see Konecny + Laughton for Rossi, their #1, and some cap pieces as a base.
 
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Beef Invictus said:
DeAngelo is better than Risto
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Barely. He stinks.

LegionOfDoom91 said:
Carolina took on DeAngelo when he cost them little to nothing & traded him when he would have cost them something more considerable then brought him back again when he cost little to nothing again. I wouldn’t really compare that to taking Ristolainen & his contract.
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Not comparing..just saying they arent anti-shitty defensemen. Hell, Risto was probably better in 23-24.
 
LegionOfDoom91

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Rebels57 said:
Barely. He stinks.



Not comparing..just saying they arent anti-shitty defensemen. Hell, Risto was probably better in 23-24.
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But he didn’t really cost them much though. Ristolainen is a good bit of contract investment.

I’m not saying Carolina doesn’t have bad players ever but usually their bad players are paid accordingly so.
 
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ponder719 said:
He's not actually bigger, but I'm pretty sure Konecny's the only piece we have that a) we'd be willing to offer and b) would be of enough interest to Minnesota to get some traction in talks. I'd love to see Konecny + Laughton for Rossi, their #1, and some cap pieces as a base.
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That would be amazing. You know some good pieces will fall to us and the next spot in this draft.
 
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