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Just be strategic about what you buy. I switched from an Epson without any remanufactured ink available to a Brother with the option about a decade ago. That’s saved me at least a few hundred overall. When I last bought ink, I paid ~$17 for 20 generic cartridges.
 

Navin R Slavin

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And yet, anecdata aside, printer sales went up 20% in FY2020 because of the pandemic.

Granted, they'd been declining at 1% a year for a while before that, and they are forecast to decline at around 20% this year to go back in line with pre-pandemic numbers. But the numbers say that the printer business is still healthier than the cable TV business from a current market share perspective.
 

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And yet, anecdata aside, printer sales went up 20% in FY2020 because of the pandemic.

Granted, they'd been declining at 1% a year for a while before that, and they are forecast to decline at around 20% this year to go back in line with pre-pandemic numbers. But the numbers say that the printer business is still healthier than the cable TV business from a current market share perspective.

The advent of the at-home 3D printer added a whole other dimension to the printer business.
 

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I think COVID really pushed the process forward. A lot of older and non-technical people learned to use Zoom, touchless payment systems, and online banking. Even for the folks who were already living a digital lifestyle, the lockdowns killed that last vestige of paper in their lives -- the shut-down libraries moved to digital lending, schools replaced a folder of papers with Google Drive and text announcements, the idea of bringing handouts to a work meeting became obsolete. Even handling paper mail was scary in the early days, before we had a clear handle on how the virus spread. In a lot of subtle and not-so-subtle ways, it all added up to an acceleration toward the post-paper era.

Just today, an exec at work told me his division is planning to eliminate all printing costs in the near future. All printing costs, both internal and external. Sooner or later, there's a tipping point where owning a printer is like owning a fax machine. See below:



I realized the other day that I'm there. One of my kids' extracurriculars wanted me to print and sign a legal form, and I realized that getting my home printer to work properly would actually cost more time and money than printing at UPS. So I ended up doing it there, which meant showing my kids that process, which means they now conceptualize printing as an unusual occasion worthy of finding a service to do it. Printers are going to be their generation's fax machines.
Side note, what kind of back assward operation doesn't allow for a sign and fill functionality on a pdf for that?
 

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I’ve been in my current job for six months and still don’t know how to connect to the printer in the office. I literally have no need for it.

In my last job, which is very similar to my current one, we handled our entire unit’s accounting function electronically (as everyone else does). But for whatever reason, we didn’t want to store transaction backup in the system attached to the actual transactions. So we had to keep printed versions of every. single. thing. Every PDF, every Excel file, every check that came in or went out. Even transactions that were entirely electronic had to be printed. Then we’d staple it all together and put it in the filing cabinet. In 2022. At one of the area’s most well-known companies, which wants you to think they’re technologically savvy.

A lot of office functions are moving away from paper. Some of us are just slower than others.
 
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I’ve been in my current job for six months and still don’t know how to connect to the printer in the office. I literally have no need for it.

In my last job, which is very similar to my current one, we handled our entire unit’s accounting function electronically (as everyone else does). But for whatever reason, we didn’t want to store transaction backup in the system attached to the actual transactions. So we had to keep printed versions of every. single. thing. Every PDF, every Excel file, every check that came in or went out. Even transactions that were entirely electronic had to be printed. Then we’d staple it all together and put it in the filing cabinet. In 2022. At one of the area’s most well-known companies, which wants you to think they’re technologically savvy.

A lot of office functions are moving away from paper. Some of us are just slower than others.

They've got to do something with all that office space that nobody's using. Why not 10000 square feet of filing cabinets?
 
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You're just saying that because George Jetson was born in 2022.
It’s amazing how bad we are at predicting how technology will change our lives in the future. In the fifties and sixties it was all flying cars and space trips but those are almost as far away as ever. And almost no one predicted the information revolution we carry around in our pockets.

But at least the Jetsons got the use of paper right:

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It’s amazing how bad we are at predicting how technology will change our lives in the future. In the fifties and sixties it was all flying cars and space trips but those are almost as far away as ever. And almost no one predicted the information revolution we carry around in our pockets.

But at least the Jetsons got the use of paper right:

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My theory is that if a major life-altering technology were obvious enough to speculate about, it would already have been invented. If it doesn't already exist, it's most likely either a) completely impossible without a bunch of intermediate steps, or b) something that causes more problems than it solves.

In the case of flying cars and space trips, it's most decidedly (b). We can make cars that fly. They can fly into buildings, power lines, all sorts of things. The technology is already there, but the product will never exist because it causes more problems than it solves.
 

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My theory is that if a major life-altering technology were obvious enough to speculate about, it would already have been invented. If it doesn't already exist, it's most likely either a) completely impossible without a bunch of intermediate steps, or b) something that causes more problems than it solves.

In the case of flying cars and space trips, it's most decidedly (b). We can make cars that fly. They can fly into buildings, power lines, all sorts of things. The technology is already there, but the product will never exist because it causes more problems than it solves.
Actually, the technology hasn't been there previously. Drone technology has fundamentally changed what's possible, and that might change the risk calculus. A human passenger sized drone that costs $50k and can be flown at less than $50/hr? That makes new businesses possible.
 

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Actually, the technology hasn't been there previously. Drone technology has fundamentally changed what's possible, and that might change the risk calculus. A human passenger sized drone that costs $50k and can be flown at less than $50/hr? That makes new businesses possible.

In Dubai they already offer heli-taxis for people that can afford it. Very similar to what you are referring to here.
 
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My theory is that if a major life-altering technology were obvious enough to speculate about, it would already have been invented. If it doesn't already exist, it's most likely either a) completely impossible without a bunch of intermediate steps, or b) something that causes more problems than it solves.

In the case of flying cars and space trips, it's most decidedly (b). We can make cars that fly. They can fly into buildings, power lines, all sorts of things. The technology is already there, but the product will never exist because it causes more problems than it solves.
I'm not sure those two situations are exclusively true anymore. If left up to our mush brains, maybe. But I think there will be major revolutions in biological catalysts/enzymes, material sciences and energy that could be done now if we knew what to mix together but we have no idea and the experimentation would take forever....until we put AI on the case. The abilities of AI now and in the near future are going to allow us, I think, to have a revolution in basic materials that will blow our minds in just a decade or two. Materials with properties so far out of our understanding that they will be like "unobtainium" scifi shit.

I hope I live long enough to enjoy some of it.
 

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Yep. I don't think people appreciate what's possible when ML is focused on a new domain space.

Like, I remember downloading "folding at home" which was an application to allow home users to donate computing power to the impossibly hard problem of protein folding.

And then the Alpha Zero team said "nah, we'll fold every protein known to man, okay done, here's the data. Science, you're welcome."

We went from "man we may never solve this problem" to "here's a complete database of predicted folding patterns for all 200 million known proteins, that will be indistinguishable from x-ray crystallography of those same proteins" in *two years*.
 

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Yep. I don't think people appreciate what's possible when ML is focused on a new domain space.

Like, I remember downloading "folding at home" which was an application to allow home users to donate computing power to the impossibly hard problem of protein folding.

And then the Alpha Zero team said "nah, we'll fold every protein known to man, okay done, here's the data. Science, you're welcome."

We went from "man we may never solve this problem" to "here's a complete database of predicted folding patterns for all 200 million known proteins, that will be indistinguishable from x-ray crystallography of those same proteins" in *two years*.

I know some of these words
 

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