Post-Game Talk: The summer of our discontent

[Louis Cypher]

It was very clearly one-sided reffing against us. I can't believe more posters aren't complaining about this. I know we were still the lesser team, but Kane was totally neutralized by the officiating.

Kane was slow and behind the play most of the series. Refs will call those infractions. Florida was ahead of the play aggressive and just over the line.

Refs missed a ton yes. For both sides but Kane looked tired and slow that series. Hence the 4th line and benching.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Kane was slow and behind the play most of the series. Refs will call those infractions. Florida was ahead of the play aggressive and just over the line.

Refs missed a ton yes. For both sides but Kane looked tired and slow that series. Hence the 4th line and benching.

Are you kidding me? Did you miss that blatant trip on McDavid with the puck near the net that got ignored? Or game 5 when the refs ignored four or five blatant infractions against us before giving us our first Power Play? And I'd list more but I'm already getting pissed off just thinking about it.

Did you even watch the series? If you didn't see that we were playing under two different sets of rules, just, wow...

 

[Little Fury]

I think the Fredrick deal will work out, anybody who covers the Bruins speaks very highly of him. Its not his fault we decided to rely on a player in the playoff with a high ankle sprain.

High ankle sprains are the kind of thing that can nag a player, taking a long term bet on a guy coming off one who isn't that great to start with is bonkers.

 

[K1900L]

Draisaitl was very calm and level-headed during his season-ending presser. Even cracked some jokes.
I guess they accepted that they lost to a superior team and don't feel any shame in doing so.

 

[MessierThanThou]

High ankle sprains are the kind of thing that can nag a player, taking a long term bet on a guy coming off one who isn't that great to start with is bonkers.

Bingo. Such a dumb f***ing move that gives us less money to spend in a fast-closing Cup window. How about we spend another 2-4 million extra to get a legit Top 6 LW and put Podkolzin on the third line where he actually belongs?

 

[CycloneSweep]

I think the Fredrick deal will work out, anybody who covers the Bruins speaks very highly of him. Its not his fault we decided to rely on a player in the playoff with a high ankle sprain.

That’s not true? I’ve seen 2 guys talking about this deal who cover Boston who were astonished and basically laughing.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

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[PitkanensGitch]

Bingo. Such a dumb f***ing move that gives us less money to spend in a fast-closing Cup window. How about we spend another 2-4 million extra to get a legit Top 6 LW and put Podkolzin on the third line where he actually belongs?

Podkolzin belongs on the 4th line.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Podkolzin belongs on the 4th line.

Well based on his regular season output, definitely.

 

[MessierThanThou]

That’s not true? I’ve seen 2 guys talking about this deal who cover Boston who were astonished and basically laughing.

LOL.

I'd love to know how many people who cover other teams are laughing at us about going back to Skinner...

Hey, just because something blows up in your face the first two times...

 

[PitkanensGitch]

Well based on his regular season output, definitely.

The problem is our entire bottom 6 should be on the 4th line or minor leagues.

We had a similar problem with our D for the longest time. Now that Nurse is third pairing with the guys we acquired it finally looks as it should, roughly.

Our forward core is a disaster and with nothing surefire in the wings we will need to make some very deft offseason signings or trades to shore this up.

Look at the guys Florida brought in for nothing and see how they developed and exploded offensively over there. Our pro scouting needs to step up and find some gems.

 

[Oilhawks]

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They already tainted it by having the PEDthers' names on it twice, so why not just melt it down for scrap at this rate

 

[MessierThanThou]

The problem is our entire bottom 6 should be on the 4th line or minor leagues.

We had a similar problem with our D for the longest time. Now that Nurse is third pairing with the guys we acquired it finally looks as it should, roughly.

Our forward core is a disaster and with nothing surefire in the wings we will need to make some very deft offseason signings or trades to shore this up.

Look at the guys Florida brought in for nothing and see how they developed and exploded offensively over there. Our pro scouting needs to step up and find some gems.

Yup. Henrique, Brown, Janmark, Frederic, Arvidsson...all can go based on what I saw in the playoffs and should be on the table for any upgrades or opportunities to rid ourselves of the Nurse contract as painlessly as possible. I'd keep Podkolzin and Kapanen.

Berezkin is a big guy who is young and led the KHL champions in playoff goals, and looks more ready than any of our existing prospects. Not sure why this team isn't flying over sacks of money to Russia to bring him here.

Sam O'Reilly might be close too.

Bob keeps saying David Tomasek will make the roster, but look at his hideous junior stats in Canada. I highly doubt he makes it past training camp.

Matthew Savoie is small and gets pushed around. He should be dangled in whatever trade package we can put together.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

The problem is our entire bottom 6 should be on the 4th line or minor leagues.

We had a similar problem with our D for the longest time. Now that Nurse is third pairing with the guys we acquired it finally looks as it should, roughly.

Our forward core is a disaster and with nothing surefire in the wings we will need to make some very deft offseason signings or trades to shore this up.

Look at the guys Florida brought in for nothing and see how they developed and exploded offensively over there. Our pro scouting needs to step up and find some gems.

I think the very nature of having McDrai cucks wingers. Look at Holloway. Fwds that come onto this team are explicitly told that they're job is to give the puck the superstars and gtfo out of the way. Outside of getting a real star proven winger, I don't think we can get the best out of average wingers and get them to work. It's just the very nature of how we play. If we change that, we will have success. But it's been years of watching every new fwd come in here and regress (other than hyman who perfectly fit a grinder role).

 

[K1984]

I think the very nature of having McDrai cucks wingers. Look at Holloway. Fwds that come onto this team are explicitly told that they're job is to give the puck the superstars and gtfo out of the way. Outside of getting a real star proven winger, I don't think we can get the best out of average wingers and get them to work. It's just the very nature of how we play. If we change that, we will have success. But it's been years of watching every new fwd come in here and regress (other than hyman who perfectly fit a grinder role).

This is a very strong point and overlooked by almost everyone. You need very specific players to play with them, and those players can't like having the puck on their stick a whole lot.

Arvidsson is a great example. A complete zero with Leon all year, then the moment he gets put on a 3rd line he starts to score because he's the guy walking it in and he's the guy shooting without having to see where Leon is first.

Hyman works because he makes sure we get the puck, then cycles it and looks to the net. Nuge works because he kind of hovers high looking to support the cycle and soft spots in coverage. He doesn't need to control the puck. Conversely, Skinner doesn't because he needs the puck and Arvidsson doesn't because he needs the puck.

I think this is a lot of the answer to the "why does everyone suck when they come here?" question. They're either Top 6 players that don't fit with 29/97 that get shuffled down and then are ineffective in the bottom 6, or a bottom 6 guy that gets moved up because he can support them better, but has no touch at all. They need that just right guy. Hyman is one but they need another.

 

[MessierThanThou]

This is a very strong point and overlooked by almost everyone. You need very specific players to play with them, and those players can't like having the puck on their stick a whole lot.

Arvidsson is a great example. A complete zero with Leon all year, then the moment he gets put on a 3rd line he starts to score because he's the guy walking it in and he's the guy shooting without having to see where Leon is first.

Hyman works because he makes sure we get the puck, then cycles it and looks to the net. Nuge works because he kind of hovers high looking to support the cycle and soft spots in coverage. He doesn't need to control the puck. Conversely, Skinner doesn't because he needs the puck and Arvidsson doesn't because he needs the puck.

I think this is a lot of the answer to the "why does everyone suck when they come here?" question. They're either Top 6 players that don't fit with 29/97 that get shuffled down and then are ineffective in the bottom 6, or a bottom 6 guy that gets moved up because he can support them better, but has no touch at all. They need that just right guy. Hyman is one but they need another.

Great analysis. Granted, I seem to remember Skinner finding chemistry with both McDavid and Draisaitl during points in the season.

Which winger(s) do you think we should go after?

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think the Fredrick deal will work out, anybody who covers the Bruins speaks very highly of him. Its not his fault we decided to rely on a player in the playoff with a high ankle sprain.

This season the Bruins fans were on Frederic for being completely useless. The fall off of this player even in Boston this season was pretty severe. He was criticized often this year. The talk of the Bruins fans this season sure wasn't "talking highly of him" it was "where the f*** is he" Before the injury.

This was the worst forward we had in the lineup this playoffs and thats saying something with all the competition of forwards that didn't get anything done. Was a straight up passenger.

 

[K1984]

Great analysis. Granted, I seem to remember Skinner finding chemistry with both McDavid and Draisaitl during points in the season.

Which winger(s) do you think we should go after?

No idea specifically, but someone that has one shot scoring ability and is ok with finishing rather than driving.

If it's a discount player think a Mike Hoffman type that is 100% fine doing pretty much nothing other than looking for soft spots and shooting. Higher end, think a Kempe.

 

[TheBrew]

*looked like

We may not see a healthy Frederic again.

Or maybe we see the best version of Frederic. Similar to what we saw when Hyman came here.

 

[Little Fury]

Or maybe we see the best version of Frederic. Similar to what we saw when Hyman came here.

Hyman wasn't coming off a pretty bad injury and also had a longer track record of success.

 

[kevy9999]

This season the Bruins fans were on Frederic for being completely useless. The fall off of this player even in Boston this season was pretty severe. He was criticized often this year. The talk of the Bruins fans this season sure wasn't "talking highly of him" it was "where the f*** is he" Before the injury.

This was the worst forward we had in the lineup this playoffs and thats saying something with all the competition of forwards that didn't get anything done. Was a straight up passenger.

Time for a summer long timeout for you

 

[kevy9999]

Podkolzin belongs on the 4th line.

3rd line

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think the very nature of having McDrai cucks wingers. Look at Holloway. Fwds that come onto this team are explicitly told that they're job is to give the puck the superstars and gtfo out of the way. Outside of getting a real star proven winger, I don't think we can get the best out of average wingers and get them to work. It's just the very nature of how we play. If we change that, we will have success. But it's been years of watching every new fwd come in here and regress (other than hyman who perfectly fit a grinder role).

It has to be the right nature of player. One that can work to get into areas, one that can make give and go passes effectively. One that can time open spots.

Drai and Mcd would work with any of the wingers the Panthers have.

In this orgs case the org will often pair wingers with them that are poorly suited from the outset. Even when we have wingers that work well enough we give them away. For instance Holloway, McLeod, Foegele all worked well enough with Drai. But they only got spots with him. They never stayed with him. Instead we move on to players like Podkolzin who really struggles in topsix and is there constantly. While players with better skillsets weren't parked with Drai. Its inexplicable. Frustrating too.

 

[PitkanensGitch]

This is a very strong point and overlooked by almost everyone. You need very specific players to play with them, and those players can't like having the puck on their stick a whole lot.

Arvidsson is a great example. A complete zero with Leon all year, then the moment he gets put on a 3rd line he starts to score because he's the guy walking it in and he's the guy shooting without having to see where Leon is first.

Hyman works because he makes sure we get the puck, then cycles it and looks to the net. Nuge works because he kind of hovers high looking to support the cycle and soft spots in coverage. He doesn't need to control the puck. Conversely, Skinner doesn't because he needs the puck and Arvidsson doesn't because he needs the puck.

I think this is a lot of the answer to the "why does everyone suck when they come here?" question. They're either Top 6 players that don't fit with 29/97 that get shuffled down and then are ineffective in the bottom 6, or a bottom 6 guy that gets moved up because he can support them better, but has no touch at all. They need that just right guy. Hyman is one but they need another.

He scored two goals in the playoffs man.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Or maybe we see the best version of Frederic. Similar to what we saw when Hyman came here.

The best version of Frederic, lol is subpar to Foegeles worst season in terms of production lol.

I could just see this org retaining Frederic and trying to have him as a topsix player.