Post-Game Talk: The streak... is over! - Habs win 4-2 vs Florida

[Habs]

We are entirely certain after years upon years of unequivocal evidence that the supposed protection afforded by worthless goons is nonexistent.

oh you are one of those guys, that likes p***y teams but you'll come crying when a guy like Hutson is destroyed , or Cole.. and we have nobody to answer back. Like when McLaren hit Zednik, and not a single person could stand up for the logo on the front of the jersey. Because the team's reaction after a cheap shot isn't important, and doesn't set a tone for down the road. When Chara made a bitch out of this team, and his cronies, and we had ZERO response.

This club has been getting destroyed since 94, when they abandoned having tough as nail players who would send a message any time needed. They had a winning formula, and threw it out the window.

The best teams in the NHL have players with balls throughout the lineup, we keep finding fault in the guys on our team who play the same way and it's pathetic to watch.

 

[Sorinth]

How is that not a suspension ?

Because the NHL Player Safety is a joke that only cares when players get hurt, no injury no suspension.

 

[Runner77]

Mike chez Rona va être content su’a job demain matin.

He's already celebrating by doing an iconic slo-mo strut with his fellow employees.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I just dont think it's in the bag.

If the habs make the playoffs, I'll be more certain of it. I think voters do have a bias towards playoff players versus non playoff players and the other candidates are likely not making it.

If hutson misses the playoffs, then I think his perception of a one dimensional player might sting him, despite the historic numbers he is putting up. It is inherently more difficult for a dman to win this thing.

The recent odds I saw didn't even have hutson as a favorite and that is as leading the league in rookie scoring.

Okay... here's my problem with that take. If someone half-competent digs for the stats, they'll quickly find out it's false (one dimension), but on the other hand, if the voters go with simplistic takes, will they really have that outlook (unidimensional) when Lane has the better +/- out of all three skaters (Hutson -9, Michkov -14, Celebrini -31)?

-I don't include Wolf as Calgary will quite probably miss the playoffs

Some betting sites have started having Lane as the favorite. Once he reaches top 5 all-time rookie D points, all the voters will see that tweet. They're journalists, they can't not see those. And then if he hits a major NHL record? I don't see how they don't vote for him, except for market bias.

 

[Sorinth]

Some betting sites have started having Lane as the favorite. Once he reaches top 5 all-time rookie D points, all the voters will see that tweet. They're journalists, they can't not see those. And then if he hits a major NHL record? I don't see how they don't vote for him, except for market bias.

The odds from gambling sites aren't strictly based on the odds of it happening, especially this late into the season the odds are adjusted based on the bets already made so that they can make money no matter who wins.

 

[JianYang]

Okay... here's my problem with that take. If someone half-competent digs for the stats, they'll quickly find out it's false (one dimension), but on the other hand, if the voters go with simplistic takes, will they really have that outlook (unidimensional) when Lane has the better +/- out of all three skaters (Hutson -9, Michkov -14, Celebrini -31)?

-I don't include Wolf as Calgary will quite probably miss the playoffs

Some betting sites have started having Lane as the favorite. Once he reaches top 5 all-time rookie D points, all the voters will see that tweet. They're journalists, they can't not see those. And then if he hits a major NHL record? I don't see how they don't vote for him, except for market bias.

I agree but I guess this tells you what I think of journalists.

 

[WeThreeKings]

My bold prediction is Newhook learns how to finish next year and scores 60 points. He's really learning how to weaponize his speed offensively, now he just needs to calibrate his shot when he gets through.

 

[HabsQC]

The odds from gambling sites aren't strictly based on the odds of it happening, especially this late into the season the odds are adjusted based on the bets already made so that they can make money no matter who wins.

About 2 weeks back. Celebrini was the favourite back then

 

[Andrei79]

It's too bad SKA wants to milk every last second of Demidovs contract because he'd be the perfect add for the remaining games, if SKA were to be eliminated.

 

[Sorinth]

oh you are one of those guys, that likes p***y teams but you'll come crying when a guy like Hutson is destroyed , or Cole.. and we have nobody to answer back. Like when McLaren hit Zednik, and not a single person could stand up for the logo on the front of the jersey. Because the team's reaction after a cheap shot isn't important, and doesn't set a tone for down the road. When Chara made a bitch out of this team, and his cronies, and we had ZERO response.

This club has been getting destroyed since 94, when they abandoned having tough as nail players who would send a message any time needed. They had a winning formula, and threw it out the window.

The best teams in the NHL have players with balls throughout the lineup, we keep finding fault in the guys on our team who play the same way and it's pathetic to watch.

Or Cooke taking off Marc Savard's head, never would've happened if we had a tough as nails team with guys like Chara, Lucic, and all the other tough as nails Bruins players who would send a message any time needed.

Oh wait...

 

[badfish]

I'm not a fan of moving defense to forward but Arber played forward his first year in the OHL from my recollection. Id put him on forward next game to try it out.

 

[The Great Weal]

Hutson is winning the Calder. What he's doing this year is historic and he's cementing himself in the Makar/Hughes tier of dman as a rookie. It's insane.

Yeah I'd be shocked if he didn't win it. Celebrini has been excellent and probably has the best all around game from an 18 year old in a while, but Hutson is the #1 dman on a team that is competing for the playoffs and isn't at the bottom of the league.

 

[The Great Weal]

My bold prediction is Newhook learns how to finish next year and scores 60 points. He's really learning how to weaponize his speed offensively, now he just needs to calibrate his shot when he gets through.

We're getting a 2C this offseason, Hughes acknowledged that and knows he can't waste Suzuki's prime. He even said he's willing to overpay.

Scoring 60 points on the 3rd line next to Anderson and Gallagher with little to no PP time is borderline impossible.

 

[Runner77]

It's too bad SKA wants to milk every last second of Demidovs contract because he'd be the perfect add for the remaining games, if SKA were to be eliminated.

There would be no “Russian factor” if things devolved rationally, smoothly and predictably for players drafted by NHL teams. Habs are living through one version of it. Should they draft another Russian player, some other capricious playbook is bound to be thrown at them.

In the end, if it all works out, it won’t be so bad. In the interim, it takes a lot patience to deal with it, especially if one chooses to focus on the minutia of every irritant CKA will continue to manufacture.

 

[Mats NAslund]

Love that the team won and played well but can someone tell me when Monty is going to stop allowing a bad goal a game?

 

[sampollock]

thanks guys for the update .... oh well I asked nicely....lol

on to Tuesday night

 

[Mats NAslund]

Huge f***ing win. Great team effort!

Less Monty who tried his best to sink the team with the 2nd goal against. I hope Fowler gets signed and shines and Monty gets traded in the off season along with not signing Savard and trading Newhook, Matheson and KEEP Mailloux (he's a younger better and cheaper option over Matheson)

Monty, Matheson, 1st rounder, Beck for a true 2nd line C


Caufield Suzuki Slaf
Laine ??? Demidov
Heineman Evans Anderson
Gallagher Kapanen F. Xhekaj

Ghule Hutson
Struble Carrier
Xhejak Mailloux

Fowler
Dobes

 

[Redux91]

Okay... here's my problem with that take. If someone half-competent digs for the stats, they'll quickly find out it's false (one dimension), but on the other hand, if the voters go with simplistic takes, will they really have that outlook (unidimensional) when Lane has the better +/- out of all three skaters (Hutson -9, Michkov -14, Celebrini -31)?

-I don't include Wolf as Calgary will quite probably miss the playoffs

Some betting sites have started having Lane as the favorite. Once he reaches top 5 all-time rookie D points, all the voters will see that tweet. They're journalists, they can't not see those. And then if he hits a major NHL record? I don't see how they don't vote for him, except for market bias.

His take is for Rookie D with like 40 point seasons, and yes that will always be difficult to pull off rookie of the year with that sure..

This is a Rookie D about to score 60+ points for the first time in the NHL in 30+ *years* and the last to do it was some chump named Lidstrom?

It was iffy a month ago maybe but not anymore, he has to be the favorite right now, people get too obsessed with Vegas 'favorites odds' ... that's HOW they even get most people lol..

If it was something like
Celibrini 60 pts
Mivhkov 57 pts
Hutson 51 pts it'd be like yeahhhh I don't know guys

The fact Lane is #1 in Rookie pts and #4 in NHL D scoring *period* simply cannot and will not be denied

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

My bold prediction is Newhook learns how to finish next year and scores 60 points. He's really learning how to weaponize his speed offensively, now he just needs to calibrate his shot when he gets through.

He’s so frustrating as a player. I thought he’d be around 50 points this year. I’ll give him a mulligan for the first two months because Dach was so bad but he just can’t finish.

Didn’t get his first assist until after Christmas. Again, I put that more on Dach. But from that game on he’s paced for 38 points/82 - 17 goals/82. That’s not good enough.

I hope he puts it together. I think he might. But you can’t put it all on linemates. He should be better than he is. 3rd line guy at least until he can demonstrate consistency.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

His take is for Rookie D with like 40 point seasons, and yes that will always be difficult to pull off rookie of the year with that sure..

This is a Rookie D about to score 60+ points for the first time in the NHL in 30+ *years* and the last to do it was some chump named Lidstrom?

It was iffy a month ago maybe but not anymore, he has to be the favorite right now, people get too obsessed with Vegas 'favorites odds' ... that's HOW they even get most people lol..

If it was something like
Celibrini 60 pts
Mivhkov 57 pts
Hutson 51 pts it'd be like yeahhhh I don't know guys

The fact Lane is #1 in Rookie pts and #4 in NHL D scoring *period* simply cannot and will not be denied

I think he’s the favourite. But he’s not a lock. Those voters just seem to want to find a reason to give it to someone else.

 

[sampollock]

funny

no one complaining on 92 , oh ya he scored. lol

 

[WeThreeKings]

He’s so frustrating as a player. I thought he’d be around 50 points this year. I’ll give him a mulligan for the first two months because Dach was so bad but he just can’t finish.

Didn’t get his first assist until after Christmas. Again, I put that more on Dach. But from that game on he’s paced for 38 points/82 - 17 goals/82. That’s not good enough.

I hope he puts it together. I think he might. But you can’t put it all on linemates. He should be better than he is. 3rd line guy at least until he can demonstrate consistency.

I would say the improvement in his play over the past couple of months is leading me to making that prediction. He is pretty much creating 2-3 grade A looks off his speed every game now. When he gets more clinical in his finishing off of those plays, he could easily hit 60 pts from a 2nd line perspective.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I would say the improvement in his play over the past couple of months is leading me to making that prediction. He is pretty much creating 2-3 grade A looks off his speed every game now. When he gets more clinical in his finishing off of those plays, he could easily hit 60 pts from a 2nd line perspective.

As I said at the start of the season, this year was an evaluation year for a lot of players. Roy was one of them and never really got the chance. Dach unfortunately has his health fail him again and Newhook just flat out failed the test.

That doesn’t mean I disagree with you. He has the potential to do 60. But we shouldn’t count on it. He’s now a third liner for the foreseeable future. If he works his way up? Great. But others are ahead of him and we need to get a real 2c.

 

[WeThreeKings]

As I said at the start of the season, this year was an evaluation year for a lot of players. Roy was one of them and never really got the chance. Dach unfortunately has his health fail him again and Newhook just flat out failed the test.

That doesn’t mean I disagree with you. He has the potential to do 60. But we shouldn’t count on it. He’s now a third liner for the foreseeable future. If he works his way up? Great. But others are ahead of him and we need to get a real 2c.

Not suggesting we should count on it, just making a prediction based on him seemingly finding a way to use his speed to create advantages every game.

 

[The Real Timo]

funny

no one complaining on 92 , oh ya he scored. lol

See... easy fix for all complaints. Just score. Evans and Newhook should do the same. Just go and score some goals. Can't be that hard