HuGort
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Heard Pollock say during radio interview many years ago 280 near bottom for Cup contender. Hopefully 300+ more.
Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition
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Egresch
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Funny, because banner behind him says: "Don't give up and work hard". I guess it fits well to his off-season.
The Gr8 Dane
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I can't get over the fact we drafted a first liner first overall. The curse is slowly breaking....what has seemed like a given to 31 other franchises is finally happening to us...
Mrb1p
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And that we have a 1C. It's crazy being a Habs fan. Crazy. Crazy. Suzuki is also about to finish top 5 in selke votes, something that hasn't been done since Damphousse?
nhlfan9191
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It was never about “dominating lesser leagues.” It was about putting him in a situation where he wasn’t overwhelmed. And he was overwhelmed the first year and some change. It amazes me how people don’t get the concept.
Sorinth
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Many posters absolutely said they wanted to see him dominate a lesser league before moving up. There were even calls for him to go to the CHL specifically for that.
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A big reason why they drafted him is his attitude. They knew that it wouldn’t be overwhelming for him. He’s made that obvious as well. He never got down on himself when struggling and he hasn’t been arrogant since being lights out.
It was one of the main arguments against having him in the NHL...man some people just trying to re-write history instead of just conceding they may have been wrong.
SMDH.
nhlfan9191
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I couldn’t care less about what some people thought. I wouldn’t have had a problem with the CHL if he was getting reps in. He was struggling.
Mrb1p
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Meh give up the good fight man. People are more interested in being "right" than actually understanding a position in this thread. Super toxic.
There's no freaking way you just wrote this lol
You have no shame, on some levels, I admire it lol.
Mrb1p
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Nah man there's no way you're actually writing this and trying to change your history. There's a litany of posts on this page, particular exchanges that I had with you and that other guy you just quoted.
You guys called me all kinds of things, made fun of my "hockey acumen".
But now you want to play the victim and "poor me" routine?
You know what, if I was as petty as you're trying to make me seem, i'd pull out receipts, but I've told you before...you don't want that smoke lol
But please, be humble.
Sorinth
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Then why did you even reply to my post? If you never cared about Slaf dominating a lower league then my post wasn't about you.
And for the record Slaf wasn't overwhelmed at the NHL level last year. Slaf very clearly was improving and making progress throughout the year which almost by definition means he wasn't overwhelmed because when you are overwhelmed it's too much and you don't make progress. What you could say is that he wasn't ready to be a productive NHLer, but the caveat there being he was ready to play and learn at the NHL level which is what he did.
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The person you’re quoting was so wrong on Kohtkaniemi, he almost needed to be right on Slafkovsky to save face. He’s just throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks. And that’s my problem with a lot of opinions on development. People don’t have an actual system. They just use hindsight and a prediction to back up their claims.
WeThreeKings
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I would say based on what has happened these last few years that I edge closer to 417s side of the development debate, but I have a lot more caveats on this. The issue isn't particularly with developing in the NHL, it would be allowing the space and having the people in place to allow it to happen.
The Bergevin regime development couldn't happen in the NHL and very rarely happened anywhere else, they didn't have the resources, they didn't see the value in it, and they didn't create an environment ripe with the right type of teachers for it to happen.
So I am less concerned about players being brought up too early because development is something this new regime believes can happen in the NHL where the previous regime were all about results and didn't care about tomorrow.
nhlfan9191
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You’re falling for the exception, not the rule when you’re saying you would go with 417’s way. And I would not trust that with majority of prospects.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I never said falling for his way, just that I have come closer to that view than I have ever had in the past.
You can develop in the NHL if you put a priority on development. If you don't have the right conditions for development then being in the NHL is not a good space for development. It's why we were able to take a shot on Newhook where Colorado didn't have the patience to do so. Colorado failed at developing Newhook because they had to push him into the NHL early and were in a space where he had to perform due to their expectations. We had all the space in the world to let Newhook grow and get those top 6 opportunities.
Developing in the NHL will happen less and less for Montreal as we shift into those playoff contention years but this regime is still more adept at doing it than the previous one.
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The arguement I would bring up is that’s entirely situational on where our team was. St. Louis looks like a genius right now putting Slafkovsky on the first line as a last ditch effort before Hughes would’ve had to make a decision earlier in the year. Again, how we were handling him before he got to play with Suzuki and Caufield was not ideal. He stunk and I don’t see the upside of a teenager struggling while not getting any opportunities at the NHL level.
Tabarouette
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Just to stir the conversation up I also love to point at Brady Tkatchuk who developed just fine under one of, if not THE, worst coach in the league and a shitshow of an organization
For guys like KK we're really quick to just blame development and coaches and that might just be due to our abysmal drafting history and the fact that we struggled for so long when in reality, you know, maybe KK is just bad, may Scherbak was just bad, maybe Galchenyuk was just an idiot
For guys like KK we're really quick to just blame development and coaches and that might just be due to our abysmal drafting history and the fact that we struggled for so long when in reality, you know, maybe KK is just bad, may Scherbak was just bad, maybe Galchenyuk was just an idiot
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It will be interesting to watch how things change with regards to development vs winning assuming we progress as expected.
Those two priorities are often at odds, but in a sense it only becomes truly important once the playoffs roll around. Like with Colorado, they probably could have afforded to be patient with Newhook because even though it might mean less wins in the regular season they weren't really at risk of not making the playoffs. And there's an argument that the team would be better off finishing lower in the standings so long as the young guys did actually develop throughout the year.
Often though what we see is coaches are hired to be fired, so they don't prioritize development. But if the GM and coach are on the same page that in season development is more important then winning then home ice advantage in the playoffs then there's the chance that a good team can do both, develop their young guys, and win games once they matter in the playoffs. The bubble teams are in a tougher spot because they don't have that cushion of still making the playoffs.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
He didn't just develop in 24 hours from being put on that line. His first season was rocky and ended early, his start was bad production wise but he was playing with a checked out Anderson and Newhook forced to play the middle. That line wasn't good.
Once that line was broken up, the production didn't follow, but you could see how Slaf was growing and developing. The production just finally came when he played with better players and that development continued with the confidence.
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Player behaviour is probably the easiest thing to fix in a prospect. It's hard to fix a lack of skills or hockey IQ. Also when it comes to AG his attitude at first was actually okay. I remember him and Gallagher fooling around on 24CH. He looked like a good kid. Things when south after 2-3 years. I'm not sure about the other prospects but i think in the case of AG it's not all on the kid it looks like we did not help him much.
nhlfan9191
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I never said he developed in 24 hours. My argument was he wasn’t being put in a position to succeed before being promoted randomly to the top line. There’s a lot of ignorant comments that the way we were handling him before was right and anyone questioning that were foolish, and those people are wrong.
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