Post-Game Talk: The Sieve We Know

[bobbythebrain]

2 on 1? Wasn’t a 2 on 1.

You're absolutely right. I only saw it once in real time and turned off before replay.

It was shaping up to be a 2 on 1 but Bouch hustled and got back to take away that option. The LA player then pivoted and hit the trailer.

While I maintain that Bouchard was easily the biggest culprit on the nite with 2 major blunders....he is not to blame on that goal.
He played it fairly well and busted his ass to get back

 

[foshizzle]

But what was the excuse for not addressing the net during this season? Look at what the Colorado Avalanche and GM Chris MacFarland did. They weren’t happy with Alexandar Georgiev and Justus Annunen’s play early on, so they went out and got Mackenzie Blackwood and Scott Wedgewood, not letting an acquisition cost including prospect Nikolai Kovalenko and a second-round pick deter them from their goal of pursuing a Stanley Cup this season. Colorado got some of the best goaltending in the league out of their new tandem from that point onward. The Oilers got some of the weakest overall goaltending in the NHL all season.

You can’t walk into a postseason as a true Stanley Cup contender with a team that finished 19th in save percentage at .897 this season – especially after the same two netminders gave you just a .904 combined mark the season before and a .902 postseason SV% during your run to Game 7 of the Final.
It was glaringly obvious that the Oilers needed to improve their goaltending even it meant getting creative with their cap space, and they failed to do it. The letdown of Game 1, in which they controlled 54.67 percent of the 5-on-5 expected goals and still lost, is on the front office. They’ve made their bed.

The biggest thing- the oilers were actually happy with their goaltending.

 

[MikeS24]

How many high danger shots is this team going to allow per game? Skinner isn't good enough to handle the barrage himself, but what was it again? 14 HD shots against?

Is Skinner the guy to take us on his back? Hell no. He plays exactly like Mike Smith, with less lateral movement. Plays big, isn't technically as sound and gives up easy goals that kill momentum.

With that said, maybe play a game that's more structured in the back end? Some back checking forwards? Some actual team defense?

Management failed us big time this season with staying the course. We have two beer league all-stars in net, if we're being honest. But the team in front is absolutely abysmal as well. Like I said in the main thread, blaming everything on Skinner is just lazy. We know his skill set, he's not it. 14 HD shots is pathetic for the group in front.

You want to give up 14 HD chances? You better make up 14 of your own to have any chance at winning here. Play awful defense, at the very least play some stellar offense.

That and Bouchard is a massive liability. f***ing awful, and he has been all season.

I don't think we have the roster to execute it, but with Skinner, you might have to start playing boring AF LA type hockey. Limit the chances to as low as you can and you know McDavid/Drai can go nuts, but they cannot cheat for offense.

Skinner is that bad that everybody needs to babysit him and change their entire style.

 

[McAsuno]

The biggest thing- the oilers were actually delusional with their goaltending.

Fixed it with the bolded.
No 'clear upgrade' available over Skinner and Pickard.
As a result, Pierre Lebrun months ago: "they are ready to sink or swim with Stuart Skinner”

 

[foshizzle]

Here is a slower video I made of the goal.

Common sense. If a shot is coming and there is an opposing player DEAD IN FRONT OF YOU, the puck will hit him if it is going STRAIGHT.

This dimwit HAS TO MOVE HIS HEAD left or right to look around him and move his body left or right. NOT SIT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF Foegele. That is just logic.

Look at this confused idiot

I also love how Bouch is not even attempting to block the shot or cross check Foegele

This is so so bad

 

[MikeS24]

How many high danger shots is this team going to allow per game? Skinner isn't good enough to handle the barrage himself, but what was it again? 14 HD shots against?

Is Skinner the guy to take us on his back? Hell no. He plays exactly like Mike Smith, with less lateral movement. Plays big, isn't technically as sound and gives up easy goals that kill momentum.

With that said, maybe play a game that's more structured in the back end? Some back checking forwards? Some actual team defense?

Management failed us big time this season with staying the course. We have two beer league all-stars in net, if we're being honest. But the team in front is absolutely abysmal as well. Like I said in the main thread, blaming everything on Skinner is just lazy. We know his skill set, he's not it. 14 HD shots is pathetic for the group in front.

You want to give up 14 HD chances? You better make up 14 of your own to have any chance at winning here. Play awful defense, at the very least play some stellar offense.

That and Bouchard is a massive liability. f***ing awful, and he has been all season.

And yes, Bouchard was a huge liability. He can't play that much or Coffey has to tell this guy if you are panicked, keep the puck along the boards and use your body or even rim it around. McDavid was going ot the corner for a quick pass and this guy just throws it up the middle lol. Of course you cannot expect Skinner to make a big save on top of it.

 

[brentashton]

I would have some respect for him if he said that AND said " I can't let a few of those in"

And that’s why the players aren’t in his corner. He’s the typical “but I had my guy” in the room.

FU Stu.

 

[foshizzle]

Stauffer defending Skinner again, comparing him to Roloson

 

[MikeS24]

How many high danger shots is this team going to allow per game? Skinner isn't good enough to handle the barrage himself, but what was it again? 14 HD shots against?

Is Skinner the guy to take us on his back? Hell no. He plays exactly like Mike Smith, with less lateral movement. Plays big, isn't technically as sound and gives up easy goals that kill momentum.

With that said, maybe play a game that's more structured in the back end? Some back checking forwards? Some actual team defense?

Management failed us big time this season with staying the course. We have two beer league all-stars in net, if we're being honest. But the team in front is absolutely abysmal as well. Like I said in the main thread, blaming everything on Skinner is just lazy. We know his skill set, he's not it. 14 HD shots is pathetic for the group in front.

You want to give up 14 HD chances? You better make up 14 of your own to have any chance at winning here. Play awful defense, at the very least play some stellar offense.

That and Bouchard is a massive liability. f***ing awful, and he has been all season.

I swear, it is not even that hard for these guys to play structured D. Just keep the other team to the outside and protect both sides of your net. Create a nice box and be aggressive towards the point shooters. C has to be responsible, watch the slot.

Like what do they even practise?

They should play with more caution knowing Skinner is back there. Or, they are being extra aggressive trying to not let them get any shot on net lol

 

[ohheyhemsky]

I don't think we have the roster to execute it, but with Skinner, you might have to start playing boring AF LA type hockey. Limit the chances to as low as you can and you know McDavid/Drai can go nuts, but they cannot cheat for offense.

Skinner is that bad that everybody needs to babysit him and change their entire style.

There has to be an adjustment for sure. I agree, we don't have the roster to play boring, suffocating hockey and our roster right now likely won't be able to mitigate the amount of chances we're allowing.

Outside of our awful goaltending situation, we should also be pointing fingers at everything that's made this season feel weird from the start.

We're playing wide, our F1 is basically a rover and there's obviously zero accountability for this group. Bouchard should have sat 10 times this season, but he's allowed to make lazy plays and gift goals to the opposing team, every single night. That's something that should have been handled prior to the play-offs, but now we're in a position that we're dressing Josh f***ing Brown due to need.

So, realistically we're not going to be able to make any real changes. I'm losing hope in Knob, he's either not making decisions in game or is going back to his obvious tactics (McDrai 7 minutes in last night). I'm still all for gung-ho offense, but the team needs to re-learn that they're allowed to shoot the puck before the third period.

 

[McAsuno]

Stauffer defending Skinner again, comparing him to Roloson

Skinner has f***ing nothing on Roli.

 

[MikeS24]

Stauffer defending Skinner again, comparing him to Roloson

My god. You can sh** on some D last night, which is fine, but it's insane how much they defend this guy. They are all lunatics

 

[MikeS24]

Skinner has f***ing nothing on Roli.

lol Rollie was 0.920 coming in

He is in another tier. Stauffer just getting his propaganda orders from above.

These guys are absolutely tone deaf.

He is insulting peoples intillegence.

 

[McAsuno]

Some things never change. Media chopping wood carrying water for Stuart Skinner while he still plays like dog shit.

 

[Louis Cypher]

If he moved his body left or right he would be out of position. It was a fluke goal with shit coverage on Bouch and the other players out there. Skinner had to play the hard shot. I don't blame him for that one.

 

[MikeS24]

If he moved his body left or right he would be out of position. It was a fluke goal with shit coverage on Bouch and the other players out there. Skinner had to play the hard shot. I don't blame him for that one.

He moved the wrong way. It hit his right shoulder.

If he actually tried to look through the screen, it's a save if he moves 2 inches to his right

He dropped and prayed.

That's about it. He was sliding left a little too as it hit him lol

But we can't blame him. Goalies should not move around a screen to take a quick gander as to where the puck is coming from

 

[brentashton]

Stauffer defending Skinner again, comparing him to Roloson

Carrying water as a salaried employee, for OEG.

Jeezus Bob, we know you read posts here, take a deep breath and don’t go down that road.

 

[McAsuno]

Carrying water as a salaried employee, for OEG.

Jeezus Bob, we know you read posts here, take a deep breath and don’t go down that road.

Don't tune in 880 ched unless you wanna bore yourself to sleep hearing Rob Brown and his monotone voice on the Oilersnow segment.
Same idiot who said last night on GYB that he would still play J Brown over Dineen in G2 because J Brown is a PKER

 

[rboomercat90]

Okay, I finally saw the highlights of this game. Good Lord...

The goals against Skinner actually weren't all that bad. (And no, I'm not saying Skinner should see another game. He should not have played this game in the first place.)

But my God, what is Bouchard doing out there? He gives a new meaning to the phrase "high-event player". The dude made about three of the most egregious giveaways I've ever seen in the playoffs... and yet somehow he had 3 points and went +1.

Sometimes it's like he plays in some alternate universe. Bouch giveth, and Bouch taketh away...

You’re in here constantly lecturing fans for their “bad takes” and you don’t even watch the games? You’re ridiculous.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

The last guy that bet his career on Skinner lost his job and hasn't had a job since is knob really this dumb?

 

[McAsuno]

The last guy that bet his career on Skinner lost his job and hasn't had a job since is knob really this dumb?

Considering he played J Brown over Dineen last night which handcuffed the other 5 D and handcuffed puck moving transition even more, then well yeah.
Knob was a magician last year and this season he's been making a lot of stupid moves.

 

[McHelpus]

Brown and Stauffer saying that J.Skinner is the one out if Kane is back

 

[McAsuno]

Brown and Stauffer saying that J.Skinner is the one out if Kane is back

He's the odd man out unfortunately. I'd love for Kane to come back tomorrow rather than have to wait for G3 because the organization is acting all timid since Gary Shitman and the league scrutinized teams like ours for the LTIR meanwhile here lies Tkachuk most likely suiting up for the first game between the panthers and bolts series which the league (go figure) doesn't give a shit about. Gotta keep helping the precious American teams, hey Gary?

 

[Seth92]

Fair enough... but I think McDavid and Drai must have said something in the locker room during the second intermission about stepping up and defending each other, because we saw Drai yell on the bench just before the break. I bring this up because Wahlman comes out of nowhere with unwarranted aggression twice, and I'm sure he was just trying to address the "lack of passion" feeling.

In both of Wahlman's plays, he was defending Skinner's crease, so I'm not sure the team isn't willing to step up for Stu.

That LA game where Pickard was really dirty and really not a proper NHL game - but I'm just saying that we don't have great goalie options, and switching Skinner up after 1 game is premature (he took us to game 7 of the SCF last year!)

He got us there with help from Pickard for a game, and this time it might be a few games they swap around in order to prevent 3 losses in a row (hopefully)

 

[MikeS24]

You guys want to see another goalie battle his a** off and look desperate to make every save

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