Post-Game Talk: The Sieve We Know

[Oilslick941611]

Of course, but it isn't always the case. Teams can't always play a full 60 minutes. That's why its nice and luxurious to have a goalie that can still lock and hold the fort down. I look at Sorokin as an example. Islanders were a pile of meh this season, and Sorokin still held the fort down on multiple occasions despite having to play 61 games this year.

Same can't ever be said for Skinner because nobody knows if he's gonna put up a strong game or leak more goals swiss cheese style. He's Mr inconsistency, literally.

are you honestly comparing Sorokin to Skinner?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

But it isn't the case. The Kings had last change in the game being at home and were managing containment the first 35mins. A Kings team that happens to be pretty good at suppression. They had some luck on the way to that, and they expended too much energy doing it. The Kings were throwing themselves at the game first 40mins to a degree they ran out of gas. If you look in the thread I even said Kings would be tired in the third, and you could already see it at end of 2nd period. McD shaking coverage like nobodies business.

Its like a boxer winning early rounds because they're all in dialing up all their energy in those rounds, only to be knocked out in later rounds.

This was an Oilers W were it not for Stu Skinner in net.

Rope a dope is not a winning strategy here with more than half the roster completely MIA. You were saying yourself last night how uninspired the team looked. If this is their Cup winning strategy then the coach needs to be chucked into a sarlacc pit.

 

[Oilslick941611]

LA put a whopping 17 shots up after 40 mins.

LA isn't a team based around its offense like the Oiler are though.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If the series keeps up like this in regards to TOI for specific king players, then I fully agree. By period 3, the kings had barely any energy while the Oilers especially McDavid went out swinging. Only lost due to Skinner letting in a pathetic knucklepuck GWG.

Does anyone know why Walman missed a bunch of time in the 2nd. I thought he was hurt, but he just had like 7 to 10 mins between shifts, and barely played in the 2nd overall?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

LA put a whopping 17 shots up after 40 mins.

almost tripled the Oilers....yikes, bad look for the Oil

 

[McAsuno]

are you honestly comparing Sorokin to Skinner?

Yeahhhh, no. Because if that was the case, the Oilers would've won a cup already.
My point is there's goalies across the league that still manage to keep their team in when the team in front only achieves cardio for a period or two.
The same thing can't be said for Skinner, especially this season.

It's been more often than not that the team has to score 5+ goals because Stu gives up 3. That's more blame on his sieve ass in net than the actual team.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

LA isn't a team based around its offense like the Oiler are though.

Didn’t they also end the game with 30 shots? 17 after two periods is a lot better than 10.

 

[MessierII]

and it was his mistake that lead to the GWG because he was too gassed and out for a shift when it should have been on the bench. Flat out. his 4 points doesnt invalidate anything. Its a team game. It shows 2 things though, McDavid is back and the Kings arent the defensive juggernaught everyone thinks they are. Game 2 will be interesting if the Oilers play their game.

That’s what I took from the game. Kuemper isn’t a difference maker. Kings play the exact same style and I see no reason why we don’t beat them again.

 

[foshizzle]

Idk Keith, Knob's random line shuffling wasn't needed. J Skinner, McDavid, and Brown fared pretty well together, and then Knob decided to go full out Woodcroft by changing up the lines when there was no need to. To this day, I still have no idea who are McDrai's actual wingers and when panic ensues, McDrai gets loaded up as the 1st priority option.

Knob has no idea either. Rishaug touched on this las night- there is no chemistry and players who haven't played with each other have no clue who is going to cover off who in the D zone.

 

[Canovin]

and nobody tracks the puck worse than Skinner.


PS: Super pumped to see you turned my Grok AI image into an avatar!!!!!!

Thanks for the avatar!

 

[Drivesaitl]

You are literally blaming our best player after one of the best single-period performances of his playoff career, for us losing the game, and you're saying I'M too negative? Unbelievable.

Everybody on the board has found out what you are now in the exchange. Just saying.

lol the poster has "75 game worn jerseys". An Equipment man wouldn't have that many. In another thread he'll be saying he's a crypto king. In another that he's King in a small foreign country.

 

[McAsuno]

You know you're shit 74 when even the coach can't make up his mind

 

[GMofOilers]

almost tripled the Oilers....yikes, bad look for the Oil

17-10 is tripled? Not sure on your math skills…

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You are literally blaming our best player after one of the best single-period performances of his playoff career, for us losing the game, and you're saying I'M too negative? Unbelievable.

He probably blamed McDavid for the 130 foot wrister that smith let in against Calgary.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Idk Keith, Knob's random line shuffling wasn't needed. J Skinner, McDavid, and Brown fared pretty well together, and then Knob decided to go full out Woodcroft by changing up the lines when there was no need to. To this day, I still have no idea who are McDrai's actual wingers and when panic ensues, McDrai gets loaded up as the 1st priority option.

J Skinner was -3 on the Kings first 3EV goals in the game.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You are literally blaming our best player after one of the best single-period performances of his playoff career, for us losing the game, and you're saying I'M too negative? Unbelievable.

im blaming him for the goal yes because thats where the play started, im not screaming hate from the roof top over it. Im just pointing out where the problem started and why it lead to a goal. McDavid made the mistake that lead to LA getting the goal. If you go back and read my post about it you'll see i also gave them a pass over it because they were too gassed because Knob shouldnt have had them out at that time after a long shift. It was casscading errors that started with an ill timed pinch from McDavid. Thats not hate.

Do you think McDavid is above any criticism? because if you do you are just being disingenuous. Even the best players ever make mistakes and errors. It doesn't invaildate any of their accolades.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

17-10 is tripled? Not sure on your math skills…

I thought the shots were 17-6 half way though the period, nevermind

 

[McAsuno]

J Skinner was -3 on the Kings first 3EV goals in the game.

Considering he played with Nuge and Frederic (first time) there was no sync there. That being said, I hope Kane comes back tomorrow. If Tkachuk's able to play tonight for Florida, then the league can shove it for even focusing on Edmonton in regards to Kane's return.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Yeahhhh, no. Because if that was the case, the Oilers would've won a cup already.
My point is there's goalies across the league that still manage to keep their team in when the team in front only achieves cardio for a period or two.
The same thing can't be said for Skinner, especially this season.

It's been more often than not that the team has to score 5+ goals because Stu gives up 3. That's more blame on his sieve ass in net than the actual team.

This hold no water for me, because if we had sorokin we wouldnt have the team we had last year, or this year. He costs too much. Its not a matter of simply adding him to the roster. Team couldn't afford our top 6 and a goalie like Sorokin. So its not worth exploring that line of thinking IMO.

 

[foshizzle]

J Skinner was -3 on the Kings first 3EV goals in the game.

playing with "defensive specialist Nuge". I still laugh at Edmonton media swooning over Nuge's defence- which is actually below average- but I guess he had a few stick lifts earlier in his career....

 

[MessierThanThou]

im blaming him for the goal yes because thats where the play started, im not screaming hate from the roof top over it. Im just pointing out where the problem started and why it lead to a goal. McDavid made the mistake that lead to LA getting the goal. If you go back and read my post about it you'll see i also gave them a pass over it because they were too gassed because Knob shouldnt have had them out at that time after a long shift. It was casscading errors that started with an ill timed pinch from McDavid. Thats not hate.

Do you think McDavid is above any criticism? because if you do you are just being disingenuous. Even the best players ever make mistakes and errors. It doesn't invaildate any of their accolades.

After the performance McDavid had, yes, I'd say he's the absolute last f***ing player we should be pinning this loss on. f***ing insane that I'm even having this conversation. How is this even a conversation?

Yes, Knoblauch deployed the wrong players and made the wrong decision after McDavid did legendary shit. Knob's incompetence, along with Skinner being Skinner, led to that game-killing muffin. That's a more accurate way to phrase it.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Didn’t they also end the game with 30 shots? 17 after two periods is a lot better than 10.

hey man , im arguing the Oilers didnt deserve that game from the start, depsite coming back like they did.

However, i feel optimistic about the ending of that game and what it means for the rest of the series. I mean we are 4-14 in game ones. But the kings showed a weakness many didnt think they had.

 

[Oilslick941611]

After the performance McDavid had, yes, I'd say he's the absolute last f***ing player we should be pinning this loss on. f***ing insane that I'm even having this conversation. How is this even a conversation?

He shouldnt even have been on the ice for that sequence.

 

[McAsuno]

This hold no water for me, because if we had sorokin we wouldnt have the team we had last year, or this year. He costs too much. Its not a matter of simply adding him to the roster. Team couldn't afford our top 6 and a goalie like Sorokin. So its not worth exploring that line of thinking IMO.

The whole point of what I'm trying to state is Skinner can rarely even be average in this year. Even being average would actually help this team get more wins. There's a record that I saw in the regular season this year where the Oilers have a huge W/L differential when the goalies in their net put up an average .900 per game. It went from hoping Skinner could go .905 --> .900 --> .895 ---> ______. He just gets worse and worse.

 

[Oilslick941611]

The whole point of what I'm trying to state is Skinner can rarely even be average in this year. Even being average would actually help this team get more wins. There's a record that I saw in the regular season this year where the Oilers have a huge W/L differential when the goalies in their net put up an average .900 per game. It went from hoping Skinner could go .905 --> .900 --> .895 ---> ______. He just gets worse and worse.

you can make that arguement without bringing up Sorokin.

I dont think anyone here think Skinner is enough after his showing this year.