Post-Game Talk: The Sieve We Know

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Any word on Kane, Stetcher and Klingberg?

Also whether or not Knob will be less of a Knob and start Picks in net?

No word, but I suspect Kane draws in and Dineen as well, I think Stetcher and Klingberg are still a bit away.

I haven't heard about the tenders, but I sincerely hope Pickard gets the call, he should have earned some trust down the stretch.

 

[Zerotonine]

any puck on net is dangerous, the situation was completely avoidable in the LA zone.

Your right any puck towards Skinner is dangerous

 

[McAsuno]

look back at the play, not just what the goal highlights show and you'll see the entire situation was avoidable. Edmonton could have kept the puck in. McDrai should have been on the bench for the faceoff and fresh players should have been out. The situation developed because a tired mcdavid made a wrong call on chasing a puck he chipped and Drai being too tired to properly back check. Skinner should have stopped the shot for sure, but no one on the ice or behind the bench made the right call and it cost the team.

He's the last line of defense to hold the net. That goal shouldn't go in. Only went in because fat f*** 74 has no ability to read the play.

 

[MessierThanThou]

The idea is not take the first two periods of the game off to begin with and once again rely on two players to single-handedly win you the game. Imagine doing that against Winnipeg or Colorado.

Yes, that would be nice. I'm defending one of the two players who can single-handedly win us a game against people who are blaming him to defend the goalie who helped us lose our game last night.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Bouchard giveth and he taketh away.

His lack of defensive awareness and inability to see danger and engage is mind boggling. Putting him out on the ice after the McDavid went nuclear to tie the game was sheer stupidity by KK, who hit gold on every lineup decision last year but this year that Midas touch has turned to stone.

Bouchard, mcdavid and Leon on the ice at the end was really dumb from Knobs.

Maybe we lose the overtime anyways.... But maybe we win it and this was a heart breaking way to lose.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

99% of players wouldn’t throw a backhand pizza right in front of their own net. Bouchard has made those terrible turnovers several times this season.

You also don’t understand how breakouts work, if that’s one foot to the left McDavid grabs it and we break out clean

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Then idk why nobody else on the D has as much points as Bouchard then since he gets his points inflated with McDrai. Clearly the best players would be placed with the best players to produce, don't you think? Might as well say f*** Letang for getting to play with Crosby and Malkin, f*** Makar for playing with MacKinnon, and f*** Carlson for getting to play with Ovechkin.

Let me know when MA Bergeron set an nhl record for assists/points by a d man in the playoffs like Bouchard.

because he's their best offensive d-man they have...doesn't change that fact his point are massively inflated

Tyson Barrie was the highest point-getter for a d-man in the 2021 season because he played with McDrai

and last playoff was last playoffs, we made it to the Final with this tandem in net last playoffs

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Bro I did not defend S. SKinner. Read my post. I said he wasn't great, but I am saying he wasn't as bad as Bouchard (specifically) and the team as a whole who didn't show up for 40 mins.

It's not all stat based.... S. Skinner played a meh game, but Bouchard and the team aside from 2 players were god awful.

You just hate when people call your (Canada's 2nd best d man) Bouchard out. You may be the most stubborn/bias poster on here. Bouchard is a joke and i'm sorry that you don't see this

Bouchard was bad, skinner was worse and lost us the game

 

[McAsuno]

Your right any puck towards Skinner is dangerous

Its so easy to dissect his game as an opponent. Go for wrap arounds, he can't move laterally fast enough to save his life. Get pucks on net and crash it because he flops and butterflies out of panic.

 

[fireantz]

And then McDavid cancelled out that slow start with an otherworldly performance that tied it... Then what happened?

The coach ran a short bench and ran them out of gas( died trying!,,)

 

[MessierThanThou]

because he's their best offensive d-man they have...doesn't change that fact his point are massively inflated

Tyson Barrie was the highest point-getter for a d-man in the 2021 season because he played with McDrai

and last playoff was last playoffs, we made it to the Final with this tandem in net last playoffs

It's way too soon for you to turn heel again.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yes, that would be nice. I'm defending one of the two players who can single-handedly win us a game against people who are blaming him to defend the goalie who helped us lose said game.

I’m saying that the entire team generated nothing for the first 39 minutes because one team came prepared to play and the other was completely lost. The Kings played like they wanted to win and the Oilers played like they were entitled to the win. If the game plan is “hope McDavid can put up a bunch of points while everyone else does nothing” well there’s an entire decades worth of footage to show you how well that works.

Trying that nonsense against a Cup contender will have them swept without breaking a sweat.

 

[McAsuno]

because he's their best offensive d-man they have...doesn't change that fact his point are massively inflated

Tyson Barrie was the highest point-getter for a d-man in the 2021 season because he played with McDrai

and last playoff was last playoffs, we made it to the Final with this tandem in net last playoffs

Oh great, here we go again having to hear this to defend Mr 74 sieve of a goalie.
They made the finals particular due to McDrai, Bouch, a historic elite PK, and IN SPITE of the tandem, not because of them.
Skinner sucked last year against the kings, and he sucked again last night. Will that change for the better especially after the horrific season he's had this year? I doubt it.

You gonna blame McDrai for the SCF G7 loss again like you've done before too?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You also don’t understand how breakouts work, if that’s one foot to the left McDavid grabs it and we break out clean

Why in the ever living hell would you attempt a backhand pass in your own zone?

 

[MessierThanThou]

I’m saying that the entire team generated nothing for the first 39 minutes because one team came prepared to play and the other was completely lost. The Kings played like they wanted to win and the Oilers played like they were entitled to the win. If the game plan is “hope McDavid can put up a bunch of points while everyone else does nothing” well there’s an entire decades worth of footage to show you how well that works.

Trying that nonsense against a Cup contender will have them swept without breaking a sweat.

I can't disagree with that at all. Knob should have deployed different players and a different strategy after McDavid did superhuman shit. Cam Dineen should have dressed over Josh Brown. Bouchard should have been smarter. And we are completely f***ed if we expect McDavid to do Gretzky shit every single game. Because even Gretzky didn't do Gretzky shit every single game.

 

[Oilslick941611]

He's the last line of defense to hold the net. That goal shouldn't go in. Only went in because fat f*** 74 has no ability to read the play.

if you discount everything that happened on the ice leading up to the shot, then yes, you are right.

 

[Zguy370]

We have some of the dumbest fans on the planet.

I beg to differ, we're in 2nd place, Montreal is the dumbest lol

 

[Canovin]

if you discount everything that happened on the ice leading up to the shot, then yes, you are right.

I don't know how Stuart can lose sight of the puck from that sequence. The puck was literally in front of him the whole time on the last goal

 

[McAsuno]

if you discount everything that happened on the ice leading up to the shot, then yes, you are right.

I mean sure Knob has a whole lot to blame for going back to nuclear loadup rather than let the big dogs rest after tieing it, and the big dogs have blame also for not getting back, but that goal of a knucklepuck where the blade of the stick wasn't fully on it when it got shot shouldn't be going in. Skinner's inability to track the puck costs this team numerous times over and over again.

It's beyond deflating seeing McDavid go vintage supernova only for Skinner to go vintage sieve to cost this team another loss especially in the post season. Team shouldn't have to always score 4-5+ goals a game to win with Skinner allowing 3+ goals per night.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I can't disagree with that at all. This loss isn't 100% on Skinner. Knob should have deployed different players and a different strategy after McDavid did superhuman shit. Cam Dineen should have dressed over Skinner. Bouchard should have been smarter. And we are completely f***ed if we expect McDavid to do Gretzky shit every single game. Because even Gretzky didn't do Gretzky shit every single game.

Good, I’m glad we agree. If the team played hard all game only to lose in that fashion then I would understand the vitriol towards the goalie more but the fact of the matter is they looked like a complete non-factor for more than half the game. It’s the Stanley Cup, no team is going to allow you the luxury of taking that much time off.

 

[MessierII]

Even if Edmonton played good for those 40 minutes, do you think the outcome would have been any different?

Uh yeah I do. Look what happened when we decided to show up.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Bouchard giveth and he taketh away.

His lack of defensive awareness and inability to see danger and engage is mind boggling. Putting him out on the ice after the McDavid went nuclear to tie the game was sheer stupidity by KK, who hit gold on every lineup decision last year but this year that Midas touch has turned to stone.

meh. If the Oilers hit paydirt and score the winning goal, and nearly did, then the whole optics change. The feeling at the time, and it was real looking at the bench, is the Kings were KTFO. They were shellshocked, They collectively shit their pants. In realtime was the right move continuing to at least put McDrai out there as they were owning and scoring in bushels. We scored 5 goals in last 21mins and 2 goals in last 2mins. We were completely clobbering the Kings at that point. Most coaches would have gone for the killshot while blood was in the water.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Oh great, here we go again having to hear this to defend Mr 74 sieve of a goalie.
They made the finals particular due to McDrai, Bouch, a historic elite PK, and IN SPITE of the tandem, not because of them.
Skinner sucked last year against the kings, and he sucked again last night. Will that change for the better especially after the horrific season he's had this year? I doubt it.

You gonna blame McDrai for the SCF G7 loss again like you've done before too?

And here comes the “you always defend Skinner!” Nonsense
Read my goddamn posts and show me where I said Skinner wasn’t at fault
Just cause I don’t cry about him in every single post doesn’t mean he not to blame

 

[MessierThanThou]

Good, I’m glad we agree. If the team played hard all game only to lose in that fashion then I would understand the vitriol towards the goalie more but the fact of the matter is they looked like a complete non-factor for more than half the game. It’s the Stanley Cup, no team is going to allow you the luxury of taking that much time off.

The problem though, is that McDavid almost won this single-handedly and Skinner let in a bad goal at the worst possible time. Stop me if you've heard that story before... Like if Skinner won't even let McDavid win games on his own, then we really do have zero chance.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Considering you had to change your name and profile pic because you were one of the most ridiculed posters on this board, I'll take that opinion with a grain of salt.

Bouchard reveresed passed it to a covered Nurse for a controlled own zone turnover. 3 seconds later the puck goes in the net. As it crossed the goaline, Bouchards has a perfect view from behind his own net......on his hands and knees
He makes a perfect breakaway pass to Danault on another goal.
On the GWG, he gets caught on the blueline giving up a 2 on 1, then fails to box anyone out.

All I know is...you're lucky there isn't a hockey aptitude test you have to pass to post here, cuz your hockey knowledge.....D-