Post-Game Talk: The Sieve We Know

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I mean I hope your right, but I feel like this is 2019 CBJ and Tampa. The Kings completely smothered us for 40 mins.

The next game will be telling. If we get mauled were screwed, If we play better and win then you are right and we are probably favoured

It looked like a rusty, disjointed team that got caught up in the trap for a bit, before remember how to beat it.

Frankly, the Kings were gifted alot from the Oilers, the Oilers can clean up puck management and find that "work ethic" a little sooner and they should be fine.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

It looked like a rusty, disjointed team that got caught up in the trap for a bit, before remember how to beat it.

Frankly, the Kings were gifted alot from the Oilers, the Oilers can clean up puck management and find that "work ethic" a little sooner and they should be fine.

Hope so because we have all waited so long for this......... I need more emotion from the rest of the team

 

[Fishy McScales]

Stuart Skinner wasn't great last night, but he also wasn't as bad as most of ya'll are saying. I feel like it's a lot of frustration coming out because we didn't upgrade the position.

- The team didn't show up for 40 mins...... It was MEN vs boys for the 1st two periods
- Bouchard literally gave up 3 goals....... Turnovers, awful effort on last goal.

Stuart Skinner is a whipping boy here and 100 % deservingly so, but he battled last night and he gets the start Wednesday. I doubt Picard does any better last night tbh

Nobody is denying it was idiocy not to upgrade in net, but putting this loss all on Stu is a bit of a joke.

Sure, but the problem is that you can't give teams daylight because our goalie is anti clutch.

I think Skinner's problem isn't letting in softies so much as his inability to stop the high-danger chances.

He was 45th in regular-season HDSV% among goalies with 1000+ minutes (Pickard was 36th). Last night he stopped one out of three when he should be stopping at the very least four out of five.

 

[PinSeeker]

It looked like a rusty, disjointed team that got caught up in the trap for a bit, before remember how to beat it.

Frankly, the Kings were gifted alot from the Oilers, the Oilers can clean up puck management and find that "work ethic" a little sooner and they should be fine.

I actually do agree with this. We have not had a full lineup for how many weeks? First half of the game was complete rust shaking. Unfortunate it was in the playoffs, but I expect another level in Game 2.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Sure, but the problem is that you can't give teams daylight because our goalie is anti clutch.

I think Skinner's problem isn't letting in softies so much as his inability to stop the high-danger chances.

He was 45th in regular-season HDSV% among goalies with 1000+ minutes (Pickard was 36th). Last night he stopped one out of three when he should be stopping at the very least four out of five.

Look S. Skinner isnt great, his regular season was awful, but if you are expecting a Hill, Helly, Binny in net he ain't the guy. But... he battled hard last night and showed some compete.

Stu was not the top reason we lost. He played "Meh" but the rest of the team (top line aside) played "awful"

For Stu to succeed the team needs to play better in front of him. He starts next game and we go from there.

 

[Canovin]

Not my fault not showing up for 60 minutes the bigger concern

This. The Oilers showed up for the last 10 mins. Where was Stuart the whole 60 mins?

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I actually do agree with this. We have not had a full lineup for how many weeks? First half of the game was complete rust shaking. Unfortunate it was in the playoffs, but I expect another level in Game 2.

I also agree with it, but what i don't think anyone is saying enough of is that LAK will come out and smother us again.

They out skated the FU*K out of us and I see that happening again.

I'm not sure we have the roster to skate with them

 

[Fishy McScales]

Look S. Skinner isnt great, his regular season was awful, but if you are expecting a Hill, Helly, Binny in net he ain't the guy. But... he battled hard last night and showed some compete.

Stu was not the top reason we lost. He played "Meh" but the rest of the team (top line aside) played "awful"

For Stu to succeed the team needs to play better in front of him. He starts next game and we go from there.

I agree, they (mostly Bouchard and to a lesser extent Walman and Nurse) didn't do him any favours, but 6 GA on 3 xGA including the back breaker is awful in my book.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

This. The Oilers showed up for the last 10 mins. Where was Stuart the whole 60 mins?

I mean this is too common for Stu, Pickard should start next game.

 

[Fourier]

I missed it... what did Gage have to say?

He said that Skinner has elite positioning and tracking. I'd appreciate your comments with respect to these claims.

 

[bucks_oil]

I have been a critic of our goalie situation but I think the criticism is over the top. Whenever the other goalie is just as bad or worse, then you can't really blame the goalie. Let's not forget that Kuemper came into this series with a reputation as a great goalie, and a huge advantage for the Kings. Everyone agreed on that.

Sometimes games have that character where goals just go in. It's a weird thing that defies measurement.

My big thing with goalies is that you have to compare them. To judge a goalie on a team, compare them to other goalies on the team. When judging a goalie in a game, compare them to the other goalie.

Overall, Skinner came in with a reputation as an average or bad goalie and Kuemper had elite stats at home. We shattered that.

Maybe they put Pickard in for a game. I could see that. I'm hoping that last game continues into the next because the Kings were broken.

This is fair.

If I were Skinner I'd be mad at myself for lack of fight on that final goal. He actually did the right thing when he lost sight of the puck, but he didn't fight hard enough to maintain sight of the puck. I think I'd blame that on Knobloch. He needed to pull him earlier... letting in 5 goals changes your brain chemistry and some nights you get down on yourself (or your bad luck) and lose concentration/ability to fight/compete.

I think the 5-5 goal by McDavid was a far more deflating and preventable goal. Kuemper just gave him 5 hole by over-using the most-overused goaltending position the history of the sport. I'm not even going to teach RVH until goalies are already 6 feet tall... people use it as rote-behavior to prevent them from actually having to learn how to make a save. I HATE IT.... it's so gawd-damn passive and it creates holes that you can't cover and can't react to.

To me, Skinner's game last night falls into: "I'm not actually sure which one,... maybe the one that went off his glove and in... but he just had to make a hero save (and it needed to be hero save given the horrendous turnovers) on one of the first four goals. but I don't expect Skinner to be a hero very often, so I shouldn't really be surprised he didn't".

My villain on the night is actually Bouchard. We can and should expect WAY better puck management from him AND way more compete when he messes up. We didn't get either and not getting either is inexcusable in a playoff game.

 

[bucks_oil]

He said that Skinner has elite positioning and tracking.

When he's on I think I'd agree with the former, not so much the latter. He does read plays pretty well, but he's not quite assertive/active enough at the top of the crease to fight through screens for me to agree with the latter.

 

[Keggatron]

Stuart Skinner wasn't great last night, but he also wasn't as bad as most of ya'll are saying. I feel like it's a lot of frustration coming out because we didn't upgrade the position.

- The team didn't show up for 40 mins...... It was MEN vs boys for the 1st two periods
- Bouchard literally gave up 3 goals....... Turnovers, awful effort on last goal.

Stuart Skinner is a whipping boy here and 100 % deservingly so, but he battled last night and he gets the start Wednesday. I doubt Picard does any better last night tbh

Nobody is denying it was idiocy not to upgrade in net, but putting this loss all on Stu is a bit of a joke.

You're kidding right? He let in 6 goals on 30 shots. 3 of them were absolutely horrible. I'm not saying he won't get the start because the people who run this team are trying to gaslight us about him, but the guy shouldn't even be in the league after that game. He was f***ing lost in his crease all night.

Stoppable pucks unrelated to horrendous give-away, guys laying below the goal line, standing in the corners, &/or bang-bang shot pass goal on the PP.

Good that you acknowledge 1/2 the goals weren't horrible mistakes by the EDM goaltender

Half the goals were absolutely horrible mistakes though. When that number equals 3, and this is in no way the first time this has happened, it's a major major problem. How do you expect to win 3 games when the goalie gives 3 horrible goals up, and that only equates to half of the goals they let in?

I missed it... what did Gage have to say?

Who cares? Anyone who keeps supporting this guy (all of Edmonton media) don't deserve to be listened to. We can tell when we're being sold something by the media in order to push a narrative.

I have been a critic of our goalie situation but I think the criticism is over the top. Whenever the other goalie is just as bad or worse, then you can't really blame the goalie. Let's not forget that Kuemper came into this series with a reputation as a great goalie, and a huge advantage for the Kings. Everyone agreed on that.

Sometimes games have that character where goals just go in. It's a weird thing that defies measurement.

My big thing with goalies is that you have to compare them. To judge a goalie on a team, compare them to other goalies on the team. When judging a goalie in a game, compare them to the other goalie.

Overall, Skinner came in with a reputation as an average or bad goalie and Kuemper had elite stats at home. We shattered that.

Maybe they put Pickard in for a game. I could see that. I'm hoping that last game continues into the next because the Kings were broken.

Kuemper was terrible, but you know what? Skinner was worse. And this has happened multiple times this season alone. It's outrageous we're still even having this conversation. He should have been out of the league ages ago.

 

[Fourier]

When he's on I think I'd agree with the former, not so much the latter. He does read plays pretty well, but he's not quite assertive/active enough at the top of the crease to fight through screens for me to agree with the latter.

My biggest surprise in what Gage said was for tracking. I am no expert but he always seemed to me to have challenges with screens. Positioning I could accept. Given his limited lateral movement if he did not have good positioning I am not sure how he could ever had made the NHL.

 

[bucks_oil]

This is what bothered me the most about it. It's like he was resigned to losing sight of the puck and sort of gave up on it. All he had to do was throw up his blocker or jump up at least a bit after he lost sight of the puck to cover more space so there's a better chance of the puck luckily hitting him but instead he stayed crouched down looking utterly confused, there was no battle level no urgency. Say what you want about Pickard's physical shortcomings and they are a big hinderance for him but he would have battled like hell to block that puck.

I think we are saying almost the same thing. For me the sequence is:
1) Fight like hell to not be screened (blocker to someone's back, defend your space).
2) Fight, fight, fight to find the puck when you are screened
3) Butterfly if you can't find it and you know it's coming.

He skipped too quickly to #3, but it wasn't the wrong thing to do... odds wise you cover most of the net when you do that. To a degree it is bad luck it didn't hit him and that only happened because it was a one-in-a-million flub shot that went up and over him.

 

[McShogun99]

Oilers got greedy at the end trying to get that winning goal instead of playing solid defence and getting the game to OT. There should be zero reason for Danualt to be wide open with under a minute to go.

 

[MikeS24]

Too bad it takes a Draisaitl dressing down of his teammates followed up by an immediate goal to get these clowns going after 39 minutes of shitty low intensity hockey.

You’d think the coach might have thought about it after getting hammered 4-0 and seeing Skinner and Bouchard playing like total morons as usual but noooooooo, that’s too much emotion for him to show. Must. Be. Disciplined.

Knoblock just stands there with his hands in his pockets wondering why he dressed Josh Brown and if it might rain tomorrow and spoil his morning walk. The guy is literally a corpse on the bench.

He should have been yelling at that vanilla casper the ghost zero testosterone RNH there. Guy plays every game like it's pre-season. He sickens me

 

[McShogun99]

I hate to say it but Foegele has looked good in every LA game against us. Hopefully Frederic can be that big, fast, physical winger replacement because Arvidsson and Skinner are dead weight. I think Skinner played his only playoff game with us last night unless we get a string of injuries.

 

[Missing smitty]

Could you please summarize Stu's blunders on Goals 1, 3, and 4?

All your asinine viewpoint shows is that the Kings should have had 3 to the Oilers 5. You think you're being smart, but you're sewering your own argument.

 

[Yablo21]

Knob shouldn't have kept the nuclear option on after the tying goal, I heard Matt Kassian say the exact same thing.

 

[MessierII]

Knob shouldn't have kept the nuclear option on after the tying goal, I heard Matt Kassian say the exact same thing.

Very greedy decision to keep them out. Top line and Bouchard pairing should have been on the bench.

 

[Canovin]

Oilers got greedy at the end trying to get that winning goal instead of playing solid defence and getting the game to OT. There should be zero reason for Danualt to be wide open with under a minute to go.

That far out is not exactly dangerous even if he was alone. Stuart lost track of the puck like 90% of the time. Dude is 6'4. If the puck doesn't hit him, it's going in

 

[Oilslick941611]

It looked like a rusty, disjointed team that got caught up in the trap for a bit, before remember how to beat it.

Frankly, the Kings were gifted alot from the Oilers, the Oilers can clean up puck management and find that "work ethic" a little sooner and they should be fine.

exactly this.

Skinner sucked, but this place is so blinded by hate and rage that they are blinded to the fact that the team gave LA everything. SKinner gave up goals he shouldnt have, the 4th was the worst IMO, but the winner...who the hell was covering Danault? He was alone with no one on him except for a lazy attempt at a backcheck by Drai, who was probably rightly tired but still, that can't happen, stuff like that happened all game, LA players were ditching checks and getting open ALL NIGHT. Yet reading this thread and the GDT you'd think it was Skinner who single handedly lost them the game...Not the team that had 6 shots halfway into the game. They are also so blinded by their hate and rage that some people will take this post as me defending Skinner.

THE WHOLE TEAM SUCKED and they were NOT READY TO PLAY on time. The team looked a like a team who hasnt played a game together in over a month, and had a bunch guys returning, I saw people criticizing Frederick last night.. he hasn't played since February, well he played 7 minutes two weeks ago, but come on guys. Chemistry is a thing and needs time to build.

THe strong finsh was great though, and hopefully leads to a better start. The Kings aren't all that great and they give up chances too, Kuemper didn't look all that great either.

Start Picard next game and take the game to them and DEFEND properly and START ON TIME.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Very greedy decision to keep them out. Top line and Bouchard pairing should have been on the bench.

I think they may have wanted to capitalize on the Oilers momentum against a reeling Kings team rather than let them reset in the intermission. Playing a gassed McDrai and Bouchard wasn't the right call though.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Knob shouldn't have kept the nuclear option on after the tying goal, I heard Matt Kassian say the exact same thing.

This lead to the wining goal as much if not more than skinner. Drai had no gas in the tank and Danault was wide open in the high slot because of it.