Value of: The Sedins

[Virtanen2Horvat]

Alright so I don't think the Sedins will be moved. But if they were to be traded in there last year what would you offer?

I think they can pick up a pick each and we would probaby take some salary back.

Maybe a 1st + 2nd + ???

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[KaseMeOutside]

Alright so I don't think the Sedits will be moved. But if they were to be traded in there last year what would you offer?

I think they can pick up a pick each and we would probaby take some salary back.

Maybe a 1st + 2nd + ???

you wouldn't have a choice

 

[SI90]

Would they have to be moved together ?

 

[edguy]

Theyll never waive their NMCs but if they were going to theyd have to be moved together. And I just dont see anyone paying enough to make it worth while

 

[SI90]

Theyll never waive their NMCs but if they were going to theyd have to be moved together. And I just dont see anyone paying enough to make it worth while

This is why I asked. VAN would probably get more if they moved them in separate deals but the twins would never agree to waive unless they stayed together. If they would waive at all.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

You won't get anything of value back. No one can afford both.

 

[Rebuilt]

Alright so I don't think the Sedins will be moved. But if they were to be traded in there last year what would you offer?

I think they can pick up a pick each and we would probaby take some salary back.

Maybe a 1st + 2nd + ???

This should have been done last year but I still maintain.....

50% Sedins 7mil total (ignoring the new team would have to protect their NMCs at years end )

would still be worth a 1st and decent prospect from a contending team.

They are still dangerous with the opposing top checkers being put against their new teams top line or drawing the checkers away from that top line.

 

[Dustin]

Henrik Sedin
16/17 $7,000,000
17/18 $7,000,000

Daniel Sedin
16/17 $7,000,000
17/18 $7,000,000

Problem I see with any trade here is money. They would both look good on a contender but no contender is going to have the cap space to take them regardless of retention.

 

[SI90]

Henrik Sedin
16/17 $7,000,000
17/18 $7,000,000

Daniel Sedin
16/17 $7,000,000
17/18 $7,000,000

Problem I see with any trade here is money. They would both look good on a contender but no contender is going to have the cap space to take them regardless of retention.

For some reason I thought they were in the last year of thier deals. Yeah, no one is trading for them this year.

 

[Skirbs1011]

Henrik Sedin
16/17 $7,000,000
17/18 $7,000,000

Daniel Sedin
16/17 $7,000,000
17/18 $7,000,000

Problem I see with any trade here is money. They would both look good on a contender but no contender is going to have the cap space to take them regardless of retention.

With 50% retention, and the Canucks taking back salary some teams will be able to afford them.

 

[seafoam]

Grabovski, Kulemin, 1st, Dal Colle, +

NYI finally gets secondary scoring, wouldn't happen though.

 

[JTmillerForA1stLOL]

The return wouldn't be worth the damage it would do to the franchise imo. Main problem is money, as everyone else has said. The Sedins would probably never voluntarily request a trade, and management would probably be burned at the stake if they forced the issue.

So in the end, we'd end up with an underwhelming return while forcefully removing the faces of our franchise and arguably the city, and dismantling the fabric that probably holds our team together.

Unless they ask for a trade, they'll retire as Canucks. They're too important to the franchise on a much bigger scale, imo.

 

[skyo]

No team wants the Sedins, they are here for life.

 

[winnipegger]

I think they'd look great on a Montreal cup run

 

[Dustin]

With 50% retention, and the Canucks taking back salary some teams will be able to afford them.

At %50 the Sedins as most have already stated would have to be a package would cost you $7,000,000 for the 2. No contender is going to pay that much money for what would essentially be complimentary scoring. Not unless they are sending back close to $7,000,000 and I can't see a competitive team wanting to do that.

Next year at the TDL though things could get interesting as actual dollars would much less. If there was a team that was in contention had tons of cap space and just needed a rental for the year....

 

[TeddyBare]

I would love to see the Sedins make a cup run with another team.

They are the perfect 2nd line for a cup team.

But it is impossible to fit them in the cap.

Even if Van was to eat 3m cap hit for both players 8 million added to a salary cap is impossible.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Well here's the most logical deal for a contender from a purely cap standpoint:

Wilson/Jarnkrok + Fabbro/Fialia + 1st rounder (Only if Preds are in pplayoff contention) + Rinne for Sedins at $7mill total and Miller.

Nashville at worst will still have enough cap space to take that on.

 

[migi]

Seabrook, 1st and Schmaltz for two years of Sedin's.

I wouldn't do it but I could see many Blackhawk-fans accepting that value.

Seabrook would have to go in this scenario because he has the highest caphit of hypothetically available players. And as we all know, Hawks need to send salary back.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Maybe they get traded together, my guess is to revisit this at the trade deadline of 2018.
Get say 15-20 games each plus the playoff run.

If they are playing good hockey and the Nucks are in the toilet , 1 - 1st, 1 - organization top 3 prospect.
For both not each. If no salary retained the Nucks will most likely have to take an expiring deal back.
Even a 1/4 season for both twins is maybe 3.5 mill . I don't see a contender being that much under the cap.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Alright so I don't think the Sedins will be moved. But if they were to be traded in there last year what would you offer?

I think they can pick up a pick each and we would probaby take some salary back.

Maybe a 1st + 2nd + ???

More then likely, For any cup contending team. You would've to take considerable salary back as most of those teams would be tight up against the cap.

 

[madhi19]

Don't they both have to be protected in the expansion draft? The Canucks can't afford to waste two protection on two 36 years old. Frankly they have to make that trade regardless of return and salary retained.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Don't they both have to be protected in the expansion draft? The Canucks can't afford to waste two protection on two 36 years old. Frankly they have to make that trade regardless of return and salary retained.

Take a quick look at eligible Canuck forwards to be protected and try that statement again. As is with them on the team it might be difficult to fill all 7 forward positions for protection.
Unless you're just trying to being stupid. Which is par for the course for this place.

 

[biturbo19]

The return wouldn't be worth the damage it would do to the franchise imo. Main problem is money, as everyone else has said. The Sedins would probably never voluntarily request a trade, and management would probably be burned at the stake if they forced the issue.

So in the end, we'd end up with an underwhelming return while forcefully removing the faces of our franchise and arguably the city, and dismantling the fabric that probably holds our team together.

Unless they ask for a trade, they'll retire as Canucks. They're too important to the franchise on a much bigger scale, imo.

This is a big part of the problem.


Sure, at max salary retention with cap dumps coming back as some have suggested, it's a tiny bit closer to possible to make a Sedin trade work financially for another team...

But do you really want to be the GM who goes to Aquilini and asks him to pay ~$14M over this year and next to have arguably the best players the Canucks franchise has ever had, play for another team? And pay at least a few million if not more per year on top of that in "cap dumps" to play for your own team for the next however long as well?

And that's just the financial part of it. Completely ignoring the importance of the Twins to the Canucks for other reasons, and the fact that they haven't really showed even a hint of actually wanting to be moved or waiving their NMCs.


Even if you somehow think that financial situation is viable...what team out there not only has the space to make that work, is currently already a serious playoff contender, and is going to cough up significant potential future core pieces to actually make that happen?

And further, what team fits all of the above criteria as a team deeper than the Canucks (to where the Sedins would be "secondary scoring")...and would still be keen to burn a pair of precious Expansion Draft protection slots on these two 36 year old players?


It's easy for people to sit in the armchair saying, "Canucks need to blow it up and rebuild!" But when it comes down to it, this is what would constitute "blowing it up"...and there really aren't realistic takers out there. The Sedins are still very good players, but nonetheless...practically unmovable. So for the time being, the Canucks are kind of stuck where they are...

Unless of course someone ITT comes up with an ingenious solution to this situation that somehow circumvents all of the substantial barriers to a Sedin trade and pitches an offer that actually significantly helps the Canucks long-term.


Maybe at deadline 2017-18, it becomes slightly more viable to talk about. But even at that point, is the return for 20 games and a playoff run worth of 38 year old Sedins really going to be worth the intangibles cost to the Canucks franchise?

 

[DropIt]

unmoveable.

they would have/want to go together and nobody can comfortably take on that amount of salary while sending an equal amount of salary back and significantly upgrading themselves aside from maybe Columbus?

If they were to move, they wouldnt get any real value either

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

With 50% retention, and the Canucks taking back salary some teams will be able to afford them.

You can only retain two contracts though, right? Luongo's on the hook for forever so any deal would look like:

Sedin (100%)
Sedin (50%)

For a total of $10.5 million/year. Would I do this if I had some cap space down the stretch of the year and an albatross contract? You bet your ass. Possible scenarios where I think adding the Sedins would make the team an immediate contender and contracts they could give back:

NY Rangers - Girardi ($5.5M)
Anaheim - Bieksa ($4M)
Colorado - Iginla ($5.333M)
Detroit - Franzen ($3.955M) & Howard ($5.292M) UNLIKELY
Florida - Jokinen ($4M)
Los Angeles - Brown ($5.875M) & Gaborik ($4.875M) UNLIKELY
Philadelphia - MacDonald ($5M)

That's only considering the Vancouver side of the deal. DET+LA would not like what Vancouver wants in return for taking all those off the books, with no concern to possible NTC/NMC ramifications.

Philadelphia is jam-packed at the forward position and would have to let a considerable piece go, I'm not sure they feel close enough to consider a move.

Florida a lot of the same but they are probably a bit closer and Jokinen is still a useful piece.

Anaheim actually manages their contracts quite well. Who knows if Bieksa wants to come back to Vancouver now? This is an OK trading partner than the first 4. But not the best.

Colorado a bit warmer I think but Iggy is only on the books for the rest of the year and somewhat decent. The trade would give them a good offensive punch in terms of depth they haven't seen since 2013-14.

Rangers I think make the most sense. Got a few different directions to go in but I went with Girardi because it takes him off NY's hands (contract expires 2019-20) and if Vancouver means to rebuild completely, these years mean little to them in terms of quality now. The Sedins are only on the hook for one more year after this one, so it gives them some flexibility as well as ridiculous scoring depth.

Targets: JT Miller, Pavel Buchnevich, Kevin Hayes, Mika Zibanejad, Sean Day, 2017 1st, 2018 1st, early rd picks (2-3).

Or at least that's who I'd target. Throw any package that suits either side best.