Speculation: The search for a new Head Coach - Rumors and Speculation

[Hockey Duckie]

Jobu has already been taken, unfortunately

That was with using KFC. Now, if we used a Chick-fil-A chicken, then the mixing of the two religions could be something...

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Humans, with brains, using their judgement also believed in Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. It didn't make them right.

You're jumping to major conclusions without facts. You're also throwing the word abuse around pretty liberally considering the amount of assumptions you're making.

I dunno about abuse, but Cronin did go too far on LaCombe. LaCombe had to seek mental health over the summer because of what Cronin did to him mentally. Also, Cronin did cite that he had to back off a bit in year 2 b/c that old school teaching wasn't resonating with this era's youth players.

 

[Mr Rogers]

It’s also possible the organization is leaking that they’re interviewing Q for Verbeek to do his old friend a solid and they know he’s not gonna eventually be the guy.

There’s just so much we don’t know at this point.

Could be, but not really a friendly thing to do to lead on your buddy while fully knowing there's actually no chance you'll hire him. Assuming he cares about their friendship after this

 

[2faded]

I dunno about abuse, but Cronin did go too far on LaCombe. LaCombe had to seek mental health over the summer because of what Cronin did to him mentally. Also, Cronin did cite that he had to back off a bit in year 2 b/c that old school teaching wasn't resonating with this era's youth players.

It's confirmed that it was because something Cronin did to him?

 

[Terry Yake]

Talk about the surest bet you could make.

that, and tocchet to philly

 

[Rybread86]

Could be, but not really a friendly thing to do to lead on your buddy while fully knowing there's actually no chance you'll hire him. Assuming he cares about their friendship after this

You assume Q wouldnt be in on it.

"Hey Q, heard you were trying to get back into coaching? We kind of already know the direction were going in, but we might be able to help you out. Why dont you come in for an interview. We can put it out there that were interviewing you with serious interest. Maybe that will help to get you a few more calls"

Not saying this is what happened, but a convo similar to that could have happened. No hurt feelings, just a friend throwing his buddy a bone.

 

[Mr Rogers]

You assume Q wouldnt be in on it.

"Hey Q, heard you were trying to get back into coaching? We kind of already know the direction were going in, but we might be able to help you out. Why dont you come in for an interview. We can put it out there that were interviewing you with serious interest. Maybe that will help to get you a few more calls"

Not saying this is what happened, but a convo similar to that could have happened. No hurt feelings, just a friend throwing his buddy a bone.

could be, i just personally believe he has genuine interest.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It's confirmed that it was because something Cronin did to him?

Yes. Cronin said it in an interview, which is how we found out that LaCombe had to seek help, which turned to boxing and other things as an outlet.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

You assume Q wouldnt be in on it.

"Hey Q, heard you were trying to get back into coaching? We kind of already know the direction were going in, but we might be able to help you out. Why dont you come in for an interview. We can put it out there that were interviewing you with serious interest. Maybe that will help to get you a few more calls"

Not saying this is what happened, but a convo similar to that could have happened. No hurt feelings, just a friend throwing his buddy a bone.

I would have believed this if it was just one interview, more of an informal sit-down. The fact that he’s coming in for a second tells me he is a legitimate finalist, if not the frontrunner

 

[Boo Boo]

I wonder what if there’s any chance the interest in Q might be as an advisor to a Carle or if it’s definitely as head coach ?

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

would have believed this if it was just one interview, more of an informal sit-down. The fact that he’s coming in for a second tells me he is a legitimate finalist, if not the frontrunner

I guess that means Q isn’t quite the sure thing that Sennecke was thought.

 

[Rybread86]

could be, i just personally believe he has genuine interest.

I would have believed this if it was just one interview, more of an informal sit-down. The fact that he’s coming in for a second tells me he is a legitimate finalist, if not the frontrunner

I just threw that out there because it was implied they would be doing Q dirty by stringing him along. Simply saying there are reasons/ways it would be with Qs fully knowledge and no one would be upset.

I dont disagree that this is most likely genuine interest, or at least going through due diligence.

But if that "conspiracy theory" is true, a 2nd interview doesnt really mean much. Posturing to eliminate any doubt in anyones minds that this is real and not just a way to get Q in the mix again. If thats true, its working lol

The thing thats throwing me off is the timing and the rush of it all. Unless they are just getting the interviews out of the way for the guys currently available to interview, I would think they would want to talk to others who might currently be employed and not available at the moment to have those talks.

 

[NWWisconsinDuck]

 

[JAHV]

I just threw that out there because it was implied they would be doing Q dirty by stringing him along. Simply saying there are reasons/ways it would be with Qs fully knowledge and no one would be upset.

I dont disagree that this is most likely genuine interest, or at least going through due diligence.

But if that "conspiracy theory" is true, a 2nd interview doesnt really mean much. Posturing to eliminate any doubt in anyones minds that this is real and not just a way to get Q in the mix again. If thats true, its working lol

The thing thats throwing me off is the timing and the rush of it all. Unless they are just getting the interviews out of the way for the guys currently available to interview, I would think they would want to talk to others who might currently be employed and not available at the moment to have those talks.

Unless there's a slam dunk candidate that they want to interview who is currently still coaching, I think it makes a lot of sense to get someone hired. First, it allows them to be aggressive and get their guy before another team swoops in. There are plenty of good names out there without getting into current NHL assistant coaches on playoff teams.

Second, I think it helps Verbeek plan the summer. He's put himself out there as saying he wants to make the playoffs next season, and the fans are certainly ready for it. I expect him to be active in free agency, and he also has the McTavish deal to get done. That's in addition to the draft. If he can get the coaching hire done early, that means he doesn't have to worry about it and he can potentially use it as a selling point to free agents.

 

[NWWisconsinDuck]

I’m pretty much resigned to the fact it’s going to be Quenneville.

So two things now:

1) He better have a good list of things he’s worked on to better himself. I’m sure he isn’t going to relitigate the past and honestly I’m not asking him to. He has his story and I’m sure that’s not changing, whether it’s the truth or not.

2) It damn well better work in terms of wins/losses.

 

[Rooch]

Yes. Cronin said it in an interview, which is how we found out that LaCombe had to seek help, which turned to boxing and other things as an outlet.

Crazy. This is not Cronin's news to share and it sounds like a pretty clear violation of LaCombe's HIPAA rights. No wonder the room hated him.

 

[Rybread86]

Unless there's a slam dunk candidate that they want to interview who is currently still coaching, I think it makes a lot of sense to get someone hired. First, it allows them to be aggressive and get their guy before another team swoops in. There are plenty of good names out there without getting into current NHL assistant coaches on playoff teams.

Second, I think it helps Verbeek plan the summer. He's put himself out there as saying he wants to make the playoffs next season, and the fans are certainly ready for it. I expect him to be active in free agency, and he also has the McTavish deal to get done. That's in addition to the draft. If he can get the coaching hire done early, that means he doesn't have to worry about it and he can potentially use it as a selling point to free agents.

The biggest deadline for me would be the draft... probably a couple weeks prior so they can start those discussions about who does or doesnt fit a system, what guys the front office and coach want to target, and have someone they can sell FAs on.

Im all for moving fast, this just seems to be faster than I would have thought at this point in the offseason, especially when not all the pieces are on the board yet. Not to mention, the only team that has even shown interest in Q has been Anaheim. At least from whats been reported. Many people dont even have Q in their "top candidates available" lists.

If they were at the 2nd interview with Carle and potentially getting close toa deal, that would make sense due to the interest level.

 

[ohcomeonref]

I’m pretty much resigned to the fact it’s going to be Quenneville.

So two things now:

1) He better have a good list of things he’s worked on to better himself. I’m sure he isn’t going to relitigate the past and honestly I’m not asking him to. He has his story and I’m sure that’s not changing, whether it’s the truth or not.

2) It damn well better work in terms of wins/losses.

With Q, you're getting a great coach pretty much guaranteed. If he steps in and the team soars everyone will forget their gripes very quickly. For better or worse, that's the way it goes.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Yes. Cronin said it in an interview, which is how we found out that LaCombe had to seek help, which turned to boxing and other things as an outlet.

Yes Cronin said I abused LaCombe so much he had to seek mental help in the interview.

Actually what he said was LaCombe mentioned in his exit interview that he didn’t believe he was aggressive enough on the ice. So I got him hooked up with my navy seals buddy, and they took some boxing lessons to try and unleash that apex predator on the ice and Get him more comfortable with initiating contact and throwing himself into the battle. Mentioned he was hesitant and LaCombe thought that held him back.

With all the Q stuff going around, it sure would be nice if we didn’t make up our own narratives to situations and instead report the facts laid out before us. People can then use their own judgement to decide what did or did not happen.

 

[Rybread86]

Yes. Cronin said it in an interview, which is how we found out that LaCombe had to seek help, which turned to boxing and other things as an outlet.

I dont recall Cronin saying he was at fault for Lacombe or that Lacombe had to get help because of him. Do you have that quote from the interview?

I just remember Lacombe having confidence issues, Cronin reached out to his college coach to see if he had any insight and then they recommended some stuff to help Lacombe.

 

[Rybread86]

How Ducks’ Jackson LaCombe leapfrogged others to become their No. 1 defenseman

On an Anaheim team with plenty of talented blueliners, LaCombe made a statement this season.

www.nytimes.com

Last summer, coach Greg Cronin sought out Golden Gophers coach Bob Motzko to get a feel for how LaCombe might advance as a player after going through the peaks and valleys of his first season. Through a couple lengthy conversations, Motzko convinced Cronin that it takes LaCombe a bit of time to be secure and assured with his game and the atmosphere he’s in. It requires a coach to be patient and, as Cronin put it, wait “for all that talent to bust through.”​

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If a coach can do that, the wait will be worth it.​

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“He had the same experience with Jackson his freshmen year at Minnesota,” Cronin said. “And he said, ‘You will see a different player this year.’”​

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Adjustments were also made off the ice. LaCombe attacked the weight room and strengthened his 6-foot-2, 205-pound frame. He also spent a week training with Brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor Jeremy Clark to build more combative instincts into his game. Motzko gave Cronin glowing reports.​

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“He did some things that were kind of out-of-the-box stuff, which I had talked to Jackson about in terms of exploring boxing or some mixed martial arts to get a real intimate view of a human’s response to competitiveness,” Cronin said. “And he did it. He wasn’t broadcasting it. He was very humble about it.”​

 

[Gliff]

Crazy. This is not Cronin's news to share and it sounds like a pretty clear violation of LaCombe's HIPAA rights. No wonder the room hated him.

No it isnt lol. Unless he got the information through privileged access to his medical info he is not bound by HIPPA.
LaCombe could have told him, or he overheard him talking about it. Still a dick move unless he was given permission, but not a HIPPA violation.

 

[70sSanO]

Yes Cronin said I abused LaCombe so much he had to seek mental help in the interview.

Actually what he said was LaCombe mentioned in his exit interview that he didn’t believe he was aggressive enough on the ice. So I got him hooked up with my navy seals buddy, and they took some boxing lessons to try and unleash that apex predator on the ice and Get him more comfortable with initiating contact and throwing himself into the battle. Mentioned he was hesitant and LaCombe thought that held him back.

With all the Q stuff going around, it sure would be nice if we didn’t make up our own narratives to situations and instead report the facts laid out before us. People can then use their own judgement to decide what did or did not happen.

LaCombe is such a tough example. The answer will only happen at the end of his career. His own looking back.

If Jackson continues to improve and possibly gets some Norris votes some day; signs a long term contract and retires as a highly regarded D-man. Was the traumatic mental episodes that drove him to martial arts and possibly propelled him worth it?

Only he can answer that. If the alternative was multiple teams as a 2nd/3rd pairing, it might be obvious.

A lot of coaches employ techniques that can help or hurt a young player’s development. The good coaches know which ones to use on different players. There are tons of players that can’t cut it in the NHL with just the mental stress of getting/staying there.

John

 

[KelVarnsen]

Yes. Cronin said it in an interview, which is how we found out that LaCombe had to seek help, which turned to boxing and other things as an outlet.

Id love to see the quote if you can find it because I don't recall it at all.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

I just threw that out there because it was implied they would be doing Q dirty by stringing him along. Simply saying there are reasons/ways it would be with Qs fully knowledge and no one would be upset.

I dont disagree that this is most likely genuine interest, or at least going through due diligence.

But if that "conspiracy theory" is true, a 2nd interview doesnt really mean much. Posturing to eliminate any doubt in anyones minds that this is real and not just a way to get Q in the mix again. If thats true, its working lol

The thing thats throwing me off is the timing and the rush of it all. Unless they are just getting the interviews out of the way for the guys currently available to interview, I would think they would want to talk to others who might currently be employed and not available at the moment to have those talks.

Meh, I don’t know. I’ve flip-flopped so much on this issue over the past week or so that I should probably just stop talking about it and let be what will be. Infinitely better for the board too for no bold proclamations based on nothing substantive