Speculation: The search for a new Head Coach - Rumors and Speculation

[zegrassyknoll]

True. I am uncertain how to process this leak when typically the organization would suppress the news that the sun would rise in the morning.

If anything would leak in this org it would be the coaching hiring process IMO.

They are likely vetting at least half a dozen candidates in an incredibly tight-knit industry. The odds that at least one name gets leaked is pretty high to me.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

One last thought re: second chances.

This isn’t some kid who made a mistake. This is a 60yo millionaire who has won everything you can win as a coach.

He doesn’t need a second chance, he needs a f***ing hobby.

 

[AngelDuck]

This is my hopium: Buccigross tweeted about Q first and Murphy wrote a story with certainty hoping that if it pans out, it boosts his credibility.

Yep, pretty sad that thats the state of journalism: just throwing up a prayer and crossing your fingers

 

[Kalv]

I know it's just a report, but the "chatter" at U18 and the fan backlash in social media makes me think we're in a position where Pat cannot hire him anymore anyway.

Everwhere you look online, Ducks fans are pissed. Perhaps we have to thank that Murphy fella who said he's all but signed, as it started the backlash

Anyhow, Woodcroft pls. I am not sold on Carle but I also haven't read any good material on him. Pls share if you have

 

[HanSolo]

Conspiracy theory post - what if the whole Quenneville thing is just GMPV making it impossible to criticize whoever he DOES hire because “at least it wasn’t Quenneville “?

(maybe)

4d chess. Welcome back Randy Carlyle.

 

[HanSolo]

Randy Carlyle 3: Tokyo Drift

Damn it. I replied before reading this hahaha.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

Yep, pretty sad that thats the state of journalism: just throwing up a prayer and crossing your fingers

I guess there is also the kinder approach, where there was a miscommunication where Murphy got the wrong idea.

But yeah in the age of social media it’s all about being the first on the story, right if wrong. I’m praying he’s wrong.

 

[ADHB]

It's also not impossible that Buccigross either tweeted that out simply saying it's a possibility, or that he knew they interviewed, or maybe he was doing a solid for his buddy Q getting his name out there. Buccigross is kind of a smug asshole to begin with, and the fact that he hasn't elaborated at all despite plenty of opportunity to do so speaks to that.

There hasn't been a single person other than Murphy, who seems like a giant hack and probably was trying to be "first" on something he has no real sources on, that has indicated anything other than Q is being considered.

 

[Kalv]

Damn it. I replied before reading this hahaha.

Or... I just had a thought.
Babcock would be devastating as well and there is a small part of me that wouldn't be surprised lol

 

[Deuce22]

If I was a GM, I wouldn’t hire Q. Having a career as a teacher and coach, I think the job is more than winning games and making money for your owner. There is enough smoke around the situation for me to be unable to trust that Q is the man to coach (and mentor) my players. I’m also not naive enough to think that my criteria for hiring a coach is what the Ducks’ is.

 

[FiveTacos]

All I can say based on what I've seen, if someone is testing the waters on coach Q, the water is scalding hot. When the report came out last week that NYR would not reach out to Q the overwhelming response I saw from fans was relief.

Truly, every coaching hire will have supporters, people who shrug, and those who are against it. But in this case, the ones against are viscerally against, while even the supporters aren't clamoring for him.

I know it's just a report, but the "chatter" at U18 and the fan backlash in social media makes me think we're in a position where Pat cannot hire him anymore anyway.

I think if he wants back he has to come out and answer tough questions and be totally forthcoming about everything. Any continued hedging just looks bad, but I also don't know if there's still legal implications.

John Doe vs Blackhawks is still ongoing, and Bowman fought a subpoena in that case just last month (which tells you all you need to know about how sincere he was about doing better for victims).

I wonder if Q was also served?

 

[Hey234]

I think Carle would be a good choice, but has the new guy risk factor, and I think Verbeek is aware that whiffing on a 3rd coach in a row will be a bit dangerous for his job status.

This is my concern as well. Carle has a great record as a coach and appears like a good hire. I am just so concerned with the transition time it may take for a guy who has never coached at any position in the NHL. It is reasonable to assume he would need time to adjust to dealing NHL vets, youth, media, and management at the same time. He would also be uprooting his whole life and family which poses it's own challenges.

He may very well be the next Cooper, and three years from now he's considered a top 3 coach. However, it's just as likely, IMO, that he doesn't become that guy, and the Ducks spend 3 years waiting for him to figure it out with middling results. He would unquestionably be better than Cronin, but that's a low bar.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

This is my concern as well. Carle has a great record as a coach and appears like a good hire. I am just so concerned with the transition time it may take for a guy who has never coached at any position in the NHL. It is reasonable to assume he would need time to adjust to dealing NHL vets, youth, media, and management at the same time. He would also be uprooting his whole life and family which poses it's own challenges.

He may very well be the next Cooper, and three years from now he's considered a top 3 coach. However, it's just as likely, IMO, that he doesn't become that guy, and the Ducks spend 3 years waiting for him to figure it out with middling results. He would unquestionably be better than Cronin, but that's a low bar.

Your concern is also Carle’s concern. I watched his interview with Frank’s podcast. And here is quote about going to the NHL … this is paraphrasing.

The NHL coaching cycle is embarrassing, it doesn’t allow for coaches to grow with an organization, and that is not how you build successful organizations. The coaching carousel is not something I’m willing to jump into. I need to know the org has the same vision for winning as I do. Blah blah blah.

I don’t want Carle whom is my number 1 option, because I just spent a whole season defending Cronin, who isn’t a good coach, and I don’t want to have to actually defend a good coach to this fanbase that thinks 2-3 years isn’t close. If you don’t want to allow Carle 2-3 years to
Figure out how to coach in the NHL, then we don’t deserve him and I don’t want him.

And the whiff on a. 3rd coach is a joke (I know you didn’t say this) …. But Eakins we a lame duck coach who was brought back to tank. It wasn’t a whiff.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This is my concern as well. Carle has a great record as a coach and appears like a good hire. I am just so concerned with the transition time it may take for a guy who has never coached at any position in the NHL. It is reasonable to assume he would need time to adjust to dealing NHL vets, youth, media, and management at the same time. He would also be uprooting his whole life and family which poses it's own challenges.

He may very well be the next Cooper, and three years from now he's considered a top 3 coach. However, it's just as likely, IMO, that he doesn't become that guy, and the Ducks spend 3 years waiting for him to figure it out with middling results. He would unquestionably be better than Cronin, but that's a low bar.

The team earned and finished with 80 points despite bad coaching, abysmal PP, and a mediocre PK. That's our talent floor. We just need a little push at EV, PP, and PK to earn 10 more wins. I think Carle can improve our youth and EV play to be more effective b/c he has shown the capacity to "coach up" players as well as put them into a position to succeed.

In four of the six seasons as Denver's HC, Denver has qualified for the Frozen Four and won two championships. I didn't include a season b/c COVID cancelled the tourney. Also, Carle's helped team USA win back to back WJC-20 championships the past two seasons. Carle was an assistant coach to Jim Montgomery for four seasons at the University of Denver and then took over the HC position. Carle has someone he can network or use as a resource at the NHL level, including the possibility of assistant coaches he might want.

I do understand Carle's concern with the NHL carousel grind and don't blame him if turns down teams that aren't dedicated to a longer commitment. He's got a great gig with Denver that will attract top talents yearly. It's gonna take a lot of security to lure him away from Denver. I do think that Carle and Madden would make a wonderful pair such that Madden will always find him talent with defensemen beyond the top-10 as well a netminders.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

The team earned and finished with 80 points despite bad coaching, abysmal PP, and a mediocre PK. That's our talent floor. We just need a little push at EV, PP, and PK to earn 10 more wins. I think Carle can improve our youth and EV play to be more effective b/c he has shown the capacity to "coach up" players as well as put them into a position to succeed.

In four of the six seasons as Denver's HC, Denver has qualified for the Frozen Four and won two championships. I didn't include a season b/c COVID cancelled the tourney. Also, Carle's helped team USA win back to back WJC-20 championships the past two seasons. Carle was an assistant coach to Jim Montgomery for four seasons at the University of Denver and then took over the HC position. Carle has someone he can network or use as a resource at the NHL level, including the possibility of assistant coaches he might want.

I do understand Carle's concern with the NHL carousel grind and don't blame him if turns down teams that aren't dedicated to a longer commitment. He's got a great gig with Denver that will attract top talents yearly. It's gonna take a lot of security to lure him away from Denver. I do think that Carle and Madden would make a wonderful pair such that Madden will always find him talent with defensemen beyond the top-10 as well a netminders.

Arguing that elite level goaltending is included as a part of our “floor” is a little aggressive I would say.

We totaled 80pts, but didn’t play like an 80 pt team, I’d hardly call that our floor at this point. Unless elite goaltending is drawn in sharpie every year before the season starts.

 

[Static]

I don't think our franchise is in the business of leaking anything. I would find it much more believable for Q's side to leak it to show other teams that he is getting interviews and maybe isn't as radioactive as before.

 

[zegrassyknoll]

I don't think our franchise is in the business of leaking anything. I would find it much more believable for Q's side to leak it to show other teams that he is getting interviews and maybe isn't as radioactive as before.

Q is also polarizing enough that I could see somebody in the org that doesn’t want to hire him leaking it to try to prevent it.

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

I don't think our franchise is in the business of leaking anything. I would find it much more believable for Q's side to leak it to show other teams that he is getting interviews and maybe isn't as radioactive as before.

That's the hope because honestly, even the most charitable alternative from the Ducks' POV that you needed to leak this speculatively as some sort of a trial balloon to generate a "straw poll" for the fanbase would be somewhat tone-deaf. Sure, you could make the argument that some time has passed, but you should probably know what the emotional leaning is with an issue like this.

 

[70sSanO]

Months ago I told our son that Verbeek might fire Cronin to get a shot at Quenneville before anyone else.

But it has been brought up here, in another thread, that Verbeek would have to cede all coaching decisions to Quenneville as he is no match for him. It is so hard to imagine PV doing that.

As this has become more of a reality, and despite my possibly correct conjecture, I really don’t want Quenneville as our coach on so many levels, especially the SA cover-up.

I also need to take a step back and ask what is s really important. I want the Ducks to play cohesive hockey and not just throw the puck around. I want to see our kids be exciting and competitive. I want our PP to be productive. I want to see them limit the number of shots against so our goalies don’t need to stand on their head every game.

Of course I want to see them win and make the playoffs. But if they don’t and it still takes a few years to really gel, that’s okay. As long as we have a coach that is good for our players and they are improving, he makes good decisions, and the team is moving in the right direction that is s fine with me.

If Carle his the right choice and it takes an extra year or so that is not the end of the world.

John