Speculation: The search for a new Head Coach - Rumors and Speculation

[Ducks DVM]

Let those without sin throw the first stone...

I’ve always hated this phrase. It’s inherently judgmental, while proclaiming that nobody should be judgmental. It’s literally impossible to use it without being a hypocrite.

 

[JAHV]

I’ve always hated this phrase. It’s inherently judgmental, while proclaiming that nobody should be judgmental. It’s literally impossible to use it without being a hypocrite.

The only guy who could say this without being a hypocrite was Jesus.

I've done plenty of things wrong in my life. But that doesn't make it wrong to point out that someone in power who ignored abuse because it was convenient should undergo additional scrutiny.

 

[tomd]

How do you interpret it?

Grace and forgiveness. Quenneville has paid his price to the satisfaction of the NHL and has been reinstated. It is perfectly reasonable to object to his behavior in the coverup that took place. He was not involved directly in any of the behavior as far as anyone is aware. But how long does he deserve to be ostracized? The NHL said three years and they were satisfied that he had repented. If the Ducks are willing to hire him, that means that Verbeek and ownership are satisfied that he is ready to be forgiven and given another chance. If they are ok with him then so am I. You can make your own choice but it seems more like a faux morality play than anything else at this point IMO.

 

[KelVarnsen]

May I suggest that those of us who object to the possibility of Quenneville being hired do all we can to make sure the team knows our thoughts? Contact your ticket reps, Contact Stephens and Lee and every other hockey writer you can think of. Tweet at Alexis Downie and any other Ducks employee who's on Twitter. Hell, call the team store. Call Broadcom.

Don't allow them to be under the misconception that we don't care. Make your voices heard.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

This was an interesting one. Feels like the type of thing that could get Pat onboard

If this is true then that does matter, but I'd like to hear Kyle Beach say something publicly. Does he hold Q partially responsible or has he 'forgiven' him so to speak, I think it's important someone speak to him

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Kinda a weird risk to take from PV/Ana perspective and im not sure that the samuelis would sign off on it...

JQ is going to get a NHL coaching job in the offseason, id just rather it be not with us.

Have we been linked to any other coaches yet?

Quenneville took over a Chicago team in the exact same spot as us and won several championships. That's why they're looking at it, I'm not defending just stating

 

[JAHV]

Grace and forgiveness. Quenneville has paid his price to the satisfaction of the NHL and has been reinstated. It is perfectly reasonable to object to his behavior in the coverup that took place. He was not involved directly in any of the behavior as far as anyone is aware. But how long does he deserve to be ostracized? The NHL said three years and they were satisfied that he had repented. If the Ducks are willing to hire him, that means that Verbeek and ownership are satisfied that he is ready to be forgiven and given another chance. If they are ok with him then so am I. You can make your own choice but it seems more like a faux morality play than anything else at this point IMO.

It's a faux morality play to be in favor of holding people responsible for allowing sexual abuse to happen? I don't trust NHL people, who are looking out for themselves and their own organizations, to have the best moral judgment when it comes to these things.

As I said before, I'm all for grace and forgiveness. Quenneville can have it, and apparently Beach has given it to him. He can have it while also not being an NHL coach again. That's not the same thing as grace and forgiveness. If the fox says he's sorry, you don't put him back in charge of the henhouse.

 

[tomd]

It's a faux morality play to be in favor of holding people responsible for allowing sexual abuse to happen? I don't trust NHL people, who are looking out for themselves and their own organizations, to have the best moral judgment when it comes to these things.

As I said before, I'm all for grace and forgiveness. Quenneville can have it, and apparently Beach has given it to him. He can have it while also not being an NHL coach again. That's not the same thing as grace and forgiveness. If the fox says he's sorry, you don't put him back in charge of the henhouse.

Be careful how you word things. Did Quenneville ALLOW it to happen? Did he enable it? Encourage it? I suspect no to any of those. We know he was involved in covering it up for which he paid a price. Again, if your standards are higher than those of the NHL and the Ducks then more power to you. But if they are, then you should walk away from it all b/c it isn't limited to one team or even one sport. Sports / entertainment are dirty businesses where there are a LOT of rich testosterone charged young men who routinely take advantage of willing (and often) not so willing girls (and boys). By supporting the sport you are enabling the behavior and are culpable in the abuse that is rampant. I don't see how your standards can allow you to be a part of that.

 

[JAHV]

Be careful how you word things. Did Quenneville ALLOW it to happen? Did he enable it? Encourage it? I suspect no to any of those. We know he was involved in covering it up for which he paid a price. Again, if your standards are higher than those of the NHL and the Ducks then more power to you. But if they are, then you should walk away from it all b/c it isn't limited to one team or even one sport. Sports / entertainment are dirty businesses where there are a LOT of rich testosterone charged young men who routinely take advantage of willing (and often) not so willing girls (and boys). By supporting the sport you are enabling the behavior and are culpable in the abuse that is rampant. I don't see how your standards can allow you to be a part of that.

This is absurd. What other NHL coaches have had allegations of sexual abuse reported to them and decided to allow the coach resposible to continue to have contact with their players? I don't think they should continue in the NHL either.

Also, I love sports. Sports are not only entertainment at the professional level, they are confidence-boosting, physically and emotionally enriching, team-building endeavors at all ages. Coaches can make huge differences in peoples' lives, kids and adults. Washing my hands of it because there are a few assholes who take advantage of their power and some lesser assholes who can't be bothered will not make that environment any better. So if it's ok with you, I'll continue to try to make the sports world a better place.

I think sports can be a positive part of society.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Buddy I was at opening night in 93…… been with the team ever since. Started watching Kings in 85 when my pops was working in LA and got 2 free tickets….first had season seats to kings pre Gretzky and then for many years with the Ducks. It’ll always be the Pond to me.

As for hiring Q, pass. The shitstorm he will bring doesn’t seem worth it to me. There are other options. But I stand by what I said above, the Pond will be packed with Q as coach and if the team is rolling come next March. As we all know, OC is consistently fair weathered lol.

Lol me and you have a very similar back story

 

[Rasp]

After reading up about it all I think I'm ok with him coming back to coach us.

Playing devils advocate here.. He did make the right call if they goal was to win a cup but it was morally wrong. They should have addressed it but at the same time not let it be a distraction.

He has served a 4 year ban so I think that is enough punishment. If he was the one doing the molesting he should be locked up but he wasn't.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Why is Verbeek holding on assistant coaches Clune and Thompson? I'm still baffled about their employment with the Club. It just feels Verbeek is slow to react such as keeping Brown an extra year. Clune did worse than Brown! We have two seasons of Thompson's PK and defense and no one's impressed. Or does Verbeek not have enough networking to pull off assistant coaches if he hires a rookie coach?

He said he will wait for the new coach to get hired and let the head coach make those decisions

 

[tomd]

This is absurd. What other NHL coaches have had allegations of sexual abuse reported to them and decided to allow the coach resposible to continue to have contact with their players? I don't think they should continue in the NHL either.

Also, I love sports. Sports are not only entertainment at the professional level, they are confidence-boosting, physically and emotionally enriching, team-building endeavors at all ages. Coaches can make huge differences in peoples' lives, kids and adults. Washing my hands of it because there are a few assholes who take advantage of their power and some lesser assholes who can't be bothered will not make that environment any better. So if it's ok with you, I'll continue to try to make the sports world a better place.

I think sports can be a positive part of society.

That's perfectly fine with me. I'll miss your presence on the boards if/when Quenneville is hired but I understand. You shouldn't compromise your standards if they hire him and continuing to follow the team would be pretty hypocritical in all honesty.

 

[la patineuse]

Let those without sin throw the first stone...

I doubt many people here have covered up a sexual abuse scandal. And it's not for me to forgive Quenville anyway. That's between him and Beech and him and God.

 

[la patineuse]

Be careful how you word things. Did Quenneville ALLOW it to happen? Did he enable it? Encourage it? I suspect no to any of those. We know he was involved in covering it up for which he paid a price. Again, if your standards are higher than those of the NHL and the Ducks then more power to you. But if they are, then you should walk away from it all b/c it isn't limited to one team or even one sport. Sports / entertainment are dirty businesses where there are a LOT of rich testosterone charged young men who routinely take advantage of willing (and often) not so willing girls (and boys). By supporting the sport you are enabling the behavior and are culpable in the abuse that is rampant. I don't see how your standards can allow you to be a part of that.

Well he took part in covering it up and Aldrich went on to sexually abuse a high school hockey player after he left the Blackhawks. If it hadn't been swept under the rug, Aldrich would not have been coaching high school hockey.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I doubt many people here have covered up a sexual abuse scandal. And it's not for me to forgive Quenville anyway. That's between him and Beech and him and God.

In fairness, most people have never and fortunately wont ever be in such a spot. I think it’s fair to judge while also recognizing that we’ll never know how we personally would’ve responded if we were standing in Q’s shoes.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Kind of gross seeing Quenneville's role already being downplayed because he's linked to Anaheim.

Took half a day.

 

[LePerilsofPerreault]

In fairness, most people have never and fortunately wont ever be in such a spot. I think it’s fair to judge while also recognizing that we’ll never know how we personally would’ve responded if we were standing in Q’s shoes.

I get that everyone has a cognitive bias about how they'd react in certain situations. But under no circumstances, if you're one of the people who chose the wrong way, should you get your same privileged, prestigious, and lucrative position back just because you were good at it. Whether you're a store manager at McDonalds or 1 of 32 NHL coaches in the entire world getting millions of dollars.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Some people think it's been long enough so I do too, because I can't decide these things for myself, and anyone who does is putting on a faux morality play. Also, there's a rumor that my team is hiring him, which I want, so I need to lecture everyone about grace. But again, THEY'RE the ones with the faux morality, not me.

 

[anezthes]

He is given a severance, playoff bonus, have his name engraved on the Cup, have a day with the Stanley Cup, was given a championship ring and was at the banner-raising ceremony.

Chicago didn’t fire this guy immediately after they found out? They kept him on, and he was still with the team when they won the Cup? What kind of depraved shit is that?

If they hire this POS, and then trade Z for that POS in Montreal — who I'm sure would love Q — I'm out.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Mods. Lock this thread till we actually find out who the coach is

 

[HanSolo]

Some people think it's been long enough so I do too, because I can't decide these things for myself, and anyone who does is putting on a faux morality play. Also, there's a rumor that my team is hiring him, which I want, so I need to lecture everyone about grace. But again, THEY'RE the ones with the faux morality, not me.

Was gonna type up a lengthy response but that about covers it.

 

[HanSolo]

Be careful how you word things. Did Quenneville ALLOW it to happen? Did he enable it? Encourage it? I suspect no to any of those. We know he was involved in covering it up for which he paid a price. Again, if your standards are higher than those of the NHL and the Ducks then more power to you. But if they are, then you should walk away from it all b/c it isn't limited to one team or even one sport. Sports / entertainment are dirty businesses where there are a LOT of rich testosterone charged young men who routinely take advantage of willing (and often) not so willing girls (and boys). By supporting the sport you are enabling the behavior and are culpable in the abuse that is rampant. I don't see how your standards can allow you to be a part of that.

Ah never mind I'll bite on this one.

Yeah let's perpetuate that hidden dark side of the sports world by declaring to everyone that the Anaheim Ducks are okay with moving past a cover up of this magnitude and failing to protect young players in the organization as long as you do your time and sit out from the sport for a few years. That culture will never change with coddled responses and half measures. Consequences need to be real and they need to be significant so shit like the cover up never happens again. So that no member of an NHL coaching staff or front office would think twice about whether or not to take action against a predator at the risk of disrupting things in the locker room or on the ice.

I'm not okay with that being the message having this man behind our bench. If you are, more power to you.

 

[MMC]

I don't want Q, but I'm not going to go as far as some and take the stance that I'm not going to follow the team anymore if the team hires him. The whole "he doesn't deserve the opportunity to coach again" thing doesn't really work for me as I don't really view the world as though anyone is really "deserving" of anything, nor do I view my sports team as something that should be expected to be the beacon of morality. Ultimately that's Pat and the Samuelis' choice and they can deal with whatever backlash comes their way for it. I have no interest in defending Q's character but I similarly have no interest in letting his character impact my enjoyment of one of my favorite hobbies.

 

[FiveTacos]

Well he took part in covering it up and Aldrich went on to sexually abuse a high school hockey player after he left the Blackhawks. If it hadn't been swept under the rug, Aldrich would not have been coaching high school hockey.

Yeah, the same argument was used by some Oil fans last year when Bowman was hired. All they saw was a "winner" and since Beach and the league said it was okay, then it must be. Also recall some arguing that anyone else who disagreed was just putting on false airs.

Those same people would obviously agree with what coach Q said at the time, which is that the allegation was just an annoying distraction, and what really matters is the hockey results.

They want to hide behind Beach and his forgiveness ... But they have no interest in the other victims. Just sweep it under the rug boys, we got a Cup to chase!

Also strange to champion him as a winner and not a retread, when in fact he won AS a retread. He's living proof that a guy on his 2nd or 3rd chance can be the right choice.