Speculation: The search for a new Head Coach - Rumors and Speculation

[The Mighty Duck Man]

If the ducks have offered him the job, then the Samueli’s have already signed off on this.

Hell, even interviewing him means the Samueli’s have probably okayed this in some capacity considering his Track record.

Things are about to change big time in Anaheim Ducks land

The Samueli’s almost certainly signed off to even interview him. You’re probably not going to waste that time interviewing the guy and doing your own due diligence if you’re uncertain what the owners might say. Maybe they’d change their minds if there was significant backlash but probably not IMO(and I don’t think there will be).

Ignoring the moral aspect I don’t think it’s poses much of a risk off-ice like others are suggesting. A team in a much fiercer media market hired someone more culpable and not much came of it. There also little chance of something like it happening again. It really isn’t remotely like the Babcock situation in that sense.

 

[la patineuse]

Don’t know enough to have a strong opinion on that part of it.

Aldrich sexual assault scandal hits home far from Blackhawks

When Brad Aldrich brought the Stanley Cup home to northern Michigan, it was front-page news in a community that proudly calls itself the birthplace of professional hockey.

apnews.com

 

[dracom]

can't wait for them to hire this fool, then we have a worse season because this guy hasn't coached in years, then our best players demand trades out.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

No one in the Blackhawks organization or even Aldrich was charged with a crime. But they did cover up and/or ignored what happened to varying degrees.

Yes I know, you mentioned cheating wasn’t a crime, and neither was this. Morally wrong, absolutely. But my point is do you think a professional athlete who cheats on their wife should be allowed to make millions as a professional athlete. Or NFL players who have gotten 6 games suspensions for domestic assault, should be kicked out of the league forever ? Or drunk driving, which is morally wrong and a crime, because it can kill people, like Henry Ruggs who is in prison. Does end result matter in these things ? Should Winona Ryder not be allowed to act for committing the crime of theft.

At what point do we as a society agree and disagree on what is morally acceptable to allow ?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Don’t know enough to have a strong opinion on that part of it.

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Who is Brad Aldrich?​

Aldrich was hired in July 2008 and served as the video coach with the Blackhawks during the team's Stanley Cup season in 2010.

He left the organization that summer and went on to work and volunteer with USA Hockey, the University of Notre Dame, Miami University (OH) and Houghton High School. Aldrich was convicted in 2013 in Houghton, Mich. of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct involving a student. He was sentenced in 2014 to nine months in jail and five years of probation.

The former student, who played on the high school hockey team, is listed as John Doe 2 and is also suing the Blackhawks citing they provided positive references for Aldrich.

Per The Associated Press, Miami University (OH) also opened an investigation in June. Aldrich was the director of hockey operations at the school but resigned in 2012 "under suspicion of unwanted touching of a male adult." In September, the school released its findings and concluded that he sexually assaulted two men in the fall of 2012.

 

[AngelDuck]

can't wait for them to hire this fool, then we have a worse season because this guy hasn't coached in years, then our best players demand trades out.

Fair to hate this move for an obvious reason. But in terms of hockey, Q could take a decade off coaching, come back in a walker, and still be a far superior coach to Cronin (and Eakins)

It’s hard to understate how much of an upgrade this hire is strictly in terms of hockey

 

[Big Fat Rebound]

Aside from the moral objections I would have to this hire, the reason why I’m in on David Carle is because I want a young coach for a young core that can grow together. I most certainly do not want a 67-year-old who we may be very well be looking at replacing in 5 years or fewer

 

[LePerilsofPerreault]

Feels weird to have my lifetime fandom suspended in the air. And for someone who will be the oldest coach in the league, unless I overlooked someone.

 

[HanSolo]

I f***ing hate that we're even talking about this. Like visceral rage

 

[Boo Boo]

Yes I know, you mentioned cheating wasn’t a crime, and neither was this. Morally wrong, absolutely. But my point is do you think a professional athlete who cheats on their wife should be allowed to make millions as a professional athlete. Or NFL players who have gotten 6 games suspensions for domestic assault, should be kicked out of the league forever ? Or drunk driving, which is morally wrong and a crime, because it can kill people, like Henry Ruggs who is in prison. Does end result matter in these things ? Should Winona Ryder not be allowed to act for committing the crime of theft.

At what point do we as a society agree and disagree on what is morally acceptable to allow ?

Covering up serial sexual assault in the workplace is leagues worse than cheating on a spouse. They’re not comparable.

 

[JAHV]

Aside from the moral objections I would have to this hire, the reason why I’m in on David Carle is because I want a young coach for a young core that can grow together. I most certainly do not want a 67-year-old who we may be very well be looking at replacing in 5 years or fewer

This would lend credence to the McIlvane succession theory. I think it's clear McIlvane hasn't proven anything yet and probably needs two or three more years to develop as a coach. Quenneville would be (strictly from a hockey perspective) a good bridge. He would be brought on to get this team to take the step from rebuild to playoff team, and when he's ready to hang them up, presumably McIlvane would be ready.

 

[eaterfan]

Debating whether or not people ever deserve a second chance misses the point...

Has Q done anything to show any remorse or work that shows he's changed?

Guys like Ray Rice and Mike Vick have both committed bad crimes. Both did lots of work to atone for their mistakes and genuinely seem like different people who understand what they did was wrong.

We don't know everything Q does, but there isn't anything in the public sphere that shows he's sincerely grown even one iota.

Forgiveness should be given, but it must be earned first.

 

[Son of Gib]

I legit might stop being a fan.

 

[la patineuse]

Debating whether or not people ever deserve a second chance misses the point...

Has Q done anything to show any remorse or work that shows he's changed?

Guys like Ray Rice and Mike Vick have both committed bad crimes. Both did lots of work to atone for their mistakes and genuinely seem like different people who understand what they did was wrong.

We don't know everything Q does, but there isn't anything in the public sphere that shows he's sincerely grown even one iota.

Forgiveness should be given, but it must be earned first.

I don't think he has really acknowledged any wrong doing or apologized at least publicly. I have no idea what he has done in terms atonement.

 

[la patineuse]

I legit might stop being a fan.

Same.

 

[FiveTacos]

I don’t know enough to know about video assistants and head coaches. Unsure if the coach is the one to hand pick them, fire them (how do you get fired for being a bad video assistant?).

A coach of that stature could absolutely say I don't want this guy on my staff anymore and instantly the dude would be out of the building. So at least re-assigning him should have been easy.

And being at that meeting, and subsequently having a follow up phone call with the confidant ... well none of that is disputed. There's even a record of the call, even if he claims not to remember it or what it was about, which we all know is BS. No one forgets a call about something like that.

His later claims of not knowing much are just a way to cover his ass. Because the truth (that he knew and just cared more about the Cup than finding out if multiple players of his were victimized by one of his staff) looks really really bad and he knows it.

Fair to hate this move for an obvious reason. But in terms of hockey, Q could take a decade off coaching, come back in a walker, and still be a far superior coach to Cronin (and Eakins)

It’s hard to understate how much of an upgrade this hire is strictly in terms of hockey

Probably, but I don't care if he gets hired and wins 5 straight Cups with the Ducks ... I won't celebrate a single one of them. I'd rather they hired a complete loser and continued to suck. Hell, I followed the Ducks through all the dark days, I can handle that.

 

[Terry Yake]

I don't think he has really acknowledged any wrong doing or apologized at least publicly. I have no idea what he has done in terms atonement.

Panthers' Quenneville resigns amid abuse case

Joel Quenneville has resigned as Panthers coach after an investigation into the Blackhawks' sexual abuse case revealed he had knowledge of the allegations when he was Chicago's coach in 2010.

www.espn.com

"I want to express my sorrow for the pain this young man, Kyle Beach, has suffered. My former team, the Blackhawks, failed Kyle and I own my share of that," Quenneville said in a statement to TSN. "I want to reflect on how all of this happened and take the time to educate myself on ensuring hockey spaces are safe for everyone."

 

[NWWisconsinDuck]

This organization is so tight lipped.. I have suspicions that someone I’ve never heard of would have news that the job has been offered. Seravelli for all his flaws I think is much more connected and says it’s not close. Friedman hasn’t said a word.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Covering up serial sexual assault in the workplace is leagues worse than cheating on a spouse. They’re not comparable.

But was it covering up serial sexual assault by Q ? What we know is unwanted sexual advances toward a player. And he said f*** that we just won the western conference finals I’ve got to focus on the cup. We can think he’s an awful human for that. But at that point he didn’t know the extent of it, and didn’t care enough to find out.

Cheating is purposefully betraying the trust of the person YOU committed your life to. It’s a morally awful thing to do, drives people to suicide, can break up families, friends, a lot of things.

Q is a pos for not going out of his way to find the truth asap. But we don’t know who knew, and how much they knew. I find it tough to judge his ability to cover it up, but he may have, and that would be awful. Just we don’t have all the facts.

 

[FiveTacos]

Panthers' Quenneville resigns amid abuse case

Joel Quenneville has resigned as Panthers coach after an investigation into the Blackhawks' sexual abuse case revealed he had knowledge of the allegations when he was Chicago's coach in 2010.

www.espn.com

How about the other unnamed player? How about the subsequent college and HS victims?

He and others had YEARS to check on Beach. If they gave a crap, that is. But they were too busy reaping the rewards of winning. Then it comes out and all of a sudden they care deeply about Beach? Nah, that's called PR.

If one of them had stood up and fought to investigate back then, then I'd believe them.

 

[Hey234]

From a pure hockey standpoint, Quenneville would unquestionably be the best coach the Ducks would have behind the bench in years. He is miles better than Eakins and Cronin even without coaching for the last 4 years.

All that being said, he's 66 years old, and he hasn't coached in 4 years. On top of that, he brings a lot of and questuons to a team that doesn't need it. And all of that is under the cloud of what he did, and the lack of amends that have been taken. This is such a high risk move, and it just seems unnecessary. It's the type of decision GMs get fired over. It's a reputation making mistake, and there are so many solid options out there. I hope this is incorrect because the odds where all of this ends well with Quenneville seems very low.

 

[FiveTacos]

I legit might stop being a fan.

Good news for me is I have an east team I follow. Bad news is it's the Rangers.

The fact that they even signed off on an interview is bothering me. I mean, you finally, legitimately might have the most desirable job opening this summer ... You can probably have a shot at any candidate you want. Yet you're gonna consider THIS?

If I were the owner and PV had come to me with this, I'd consider firing him on the spot. Seriously.

 

[Mr Rogers]

A coach of that stature could absolutely say I don't want this guy on my staff anymore and instantly the dude would be out of the building. So at least re-assigning him should have been easy.

And being at that meeting, and subsequently having a follow up phone call with the confidant ... well none of that is disputed. There's even a record of the call, even if he claims not to remember it or what it was about, which we all know is BS. No one forgets a call about something like that.

His later claims of not knowing much are just a way to cover his ass. Because the truth (that he knew and just cared more about the Cup than finding out if multiple players of his were victimized by one of his staff) looks really really bad and he knows it.



Probably, but I don't care if he gets hired and wins 5 straight Cups with the Ducks ... I won't celebrate a single one of them. I'd rather they hired a complete loser and continued to suck. Hell, I followed the Ducks through all the dark days, I can handle that.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone processes this differently, but at some point if you aren’t rooting for the team and celebrating their successes you just aren’t a fan anymore. At the end of the day it’s about the enjoyment you get watching your team do well and seeing the players grow into stars. You don’t watch/not watch games because of the guy behind the bench.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Panthers' Quenneville resigns amid abuse case

Joel Quenneville has resigned as Panthers coach after an investigation into the Blackhawks' sexual abuse case revealed he had knowledge of the allegations when he was Chicago's coach in 2010.

www.espn.com

This is as heartfelt and sincere as Will Smith’s “apology”. This is boilerplate “I am so, so, so so, sincerely so, so sorry” fluff written by a PR lawyer.

 

[JAHV]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and everyone processes this differently, but at some point if you aren’t rooting for the team and celebrating their successes you just aren’t a fan anymore. At the end of the day it’s about the enjoyment you get watching your team do well and seeing the players grow into stars. You don’t watch/not watch games because of the guy behind the bench.

I am an Angel fan. I am not actively rooting for or following the Angels right now because their owner is terrible. But as soon as he sells the team or changes his ways, I'll sign back on. But people definitely do[n't] watch games because of non-players.