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The Saint Mikael Granlund hypetrain part 2 (saucer passes turning to wine!)

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LatexiKledjut said:
It probably had something to do with that RNH v. Granlund thread there was some time ago. People *cough* thomast *cough* were saying Granlund is easily the better of the two.

Lol, @ Finns and overhyping :laugh:
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I mean Mikael is good, but holy crap. :amazed:
 
I've always been a big RNH supporter (likely the only one to predict 70 pts from him this season), but that said I really like Granlund and predict an immediate impact from him as well. Now personally I think RNH will be better, but not by a large margin. I see RNH as being a 100+ point guy and Granlund a 90 point guy. You can't say one has better vision, it's splitting hairs. The difference is in RNH's quicksilver-ness, which is as elite as his vision. It gives him more room to operate and less likelihood of injury.
 
SoupyFIN said:
Mikael, is that you? :sarcasm: Canada has five and Sweden has propably two prospects like Mikael in a year. Even if the hyping goes a little overboard, we should be ****ing happy to have a prospect like him when it happens once every ten/twenty years.
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Sweden doesn't currently have a drafted Forward prospect of the calibre of Granlund. Landeskog is a completely different type of talent, whilst no other Swedish Forward draft pick outside the NHL has the offensive ability Granlund has. Sweden hasn't produced a Forward with Granlund's ability since Backstrom in 2006.

Canada obviously produces a prospect of Granlun's calibre every year, sometimes more than 1 of them. However, 5? There aren't 5 Canadian Forwards from 2010 i'd take over Granlund (Try 3), whilst 2012 has no Canadian Forward remotely close to the calibre of Granlund.

Granlund is perhaps a little overstated sometimes by a few particular posters, yet he is a Top 5 prospect in the world IMO and can be an elite level player in the NHL.
 
J17 Vs Proclamation said:
Canada obviously produces a prospect of Granlun's calibre every year, sometimes more than 1 of them. However, 5? There aren't 5 Canadian Forwards from 2010 i'd take over Granlund (Try 3), whilst 2012 has no Canadian Forward remotely close to the calibre of Granlund.
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sorry, but i'd still take Hall, Seguin, Johansen, Connolly and Skinner, all Canadians, over Granlund.
 
ManByng said:
sorry, but i'd still take Hall, Seguin, Johansen, Connolly and Skinner, all Canadians, over Granlund.
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Skinner, Hall and Seguin i agree with. Although Granlund will be closer to them in his mid 20's, but for now its impossible to have him above those 3.

Connolly? Sorry, don't see it. He can score, but im not that impressed. The only two things he can do better are skating and shooting. Granlund is far superior in everything else.

Johansen perhaps. Depends on what you want i guess. I think Granlund is a better offensive hockey player, but Johansen brings over facets to the game that Granlund will simply never have.
 
J17 Vs Proclamation said:
Skinner, Hall and Seguin i agree with. Although Granlund will be closer to them in his mid 20's, but for now its impossible to have him above those 3.

Connolly? Sorry, don't see it. He can score, but im not that impressed. The only two things he can do better are skating and shooting. Granlund is far superior in everything else.

Johansen perhaps. Depends on what you want i guess. I think Granlund is a better offensive hockey player, but Johansen brings over facets to the game that Granlund will simply never have.
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charlamov71 said:
I´d definitely not take Connolly.
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fair enough, those are the two that you could question taking over Granlund, though all 5 were picked by NHL teams over Granlund in the 2010 draft, not because of talent, but Granlund's lack of size. Johansen will be a very good NHLer, but don't underestimate Connolly guys. if he didn't have a hip injury i think it was at the time, there was talk he would have gone as high as #3 overall, just after Hall and Seguin.
 
NightBlazer said:
I've always been a big RNH supporter (likely the only one to predict 70 pts from him this season), but that said I really like Granlund and predict an immediate impact from him as well. Now personally I think RNH will be better, but not by a large margin. I see RNH as being a 100+ point guy and Granlund a 90 point guy. You can't say one has better vision, it's splitting hairs. The difference is in RNH's quicksilver-ness, which is as elite as his vision. It gives him more room to operate and less likelihood of injury.
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spot on.
 
J17 Vs Proclamation said:
Sweden doesn't currently have a drafted Forward prospect of the calibre of Granlund. Landeskog is a completely different type of talent, whilst no other Swedish Forward draft pick outside the NHL has the offensive ability Granlund has. Sweden hasn't produced a Forward with Granlund's ability since Backstrom in 2006.

Canada obviously produces a prospect of Granlun's calibre every year, sometimes more than 1 of them. However, 5? There aren't 5 Canadian Forwards from 2010 i'd take over Granlund (Try 3), whilst 2012 has no Canadian Forward remotely close to the calibre of Granlund.

Granlund is perhaps a little overstated sometimes by a few particular posters, yet he is a Top 5 prospect in the world IMO and can be an elite level player in the NHL.
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2012 is a particularly weak year for Canadian forwards, though. I don't think any Canadian forwards are consensus top 10 picks for this draft at this point in time. I'm not even sure that there is a consensus top-15 overall Canadian forward right now, which is unheard of for as long as I've been following hockey. This year is not a great year for that particular comparison.

I do agree with you that 5 Canadian forwards as good as or better than Granlund every year is a bit of an exaggeration. I would say maybe 2 or 3 on average, sometimes more, sometimes less.
 
LatexiKledjut said:
It probably had something to do with that RNH v. Granlund thread there was some time ago. People *cough* thomast *cough* were saying Granlund is easily the better of the two.

Lol, @ Finns and overhyping :laugh:
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wow way to respond 6 months later you sure showed them wrong, im sure even you knew than RNH was gonna do this in the nhl
 
Kulemon said:
Ummm... Brendan Gaunce?
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Some people are very high on Gaunce, I've seen him as high #8-10 overall in some rankings, but some people have him at the tail end of the first round, in the mid-to-late 20s. There doesn't seem to be any consensus top Canadian forward yet, at least not at this point in time.

In any event, he's a different kind of player than Granlund, and he's not considered to have the same level of skill or offensive instincts as Granlund.
 
I've always been reserved about my projections of what MG will do in the NHL.

Frankly, the Finnish league highlights, while impressive on his part, never impress me in terms of the intensity of the game. It looks like there is a ton of time and space for players over there.

This doesn't mean MG won't be able to play his game over here; in fact, his attributes, hockey IQ & vision, good quick shot, project well.

This tournament will tell us something about how his game translates to N.A., and for that I am very interested to see the results.

I see him being at worst a Pierre-Marc Bouchard/Mikko Koivu mix, not a 90 point player like some guys see, but 60-70 points in his prime, which really ain't that bad.
 
Flames Fanatic said:
He was lackluster tonight, despite an assist. His brother Markus had a far better game in my eyes.
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Mikael has this odd way of being invisible at times but when it matters BOOM! elevate his game to another level and win the game.

Let's see when the real games start that what can the baby Jesus do or not to do, there is the question.
 
Flames Fanatic said:
He was lackluster tonight, despite an assist. His brother Markus had a far better game in my eyes.
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You're kidding right? I have rarely seen such a good game out of someone against WJC players. Mikael was completely dominant throughout and made some of the most ridiculous passes to setup his linemates. Maybe you were confused because Mikael was number 20, the guy setting up his brother Markus all night in the slot while playing great defensively. Markus had several good chances from the slot off of Mi passes as did Pulki, but he flew the zone early several times and was out of position a lot without the puck. While he looked dangerous, that is hardly the kind of play that translates to a top 6 player in the NHL, basically reminded me of Antti Miettinen. Mikael's decision making was superb and his speed getting up and down the ice was amazing for something that he was criticized for, he looked much faster than the Canadians that he was going against. Only negative was that I saw him slip on the ice a few times which could have been a skate issue or something because he showed some tremendous balance in the corners while throwing some checks.
 
Flames Fanatic said:
He was lackluster tonight, despite an assist. His brother Markus had a far better game in my eyes.
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GTFO Markus didn't create a single chance in the game while missing 4-5 GREAT chances his bro set him up for.

Mikael was far better than I expected.
 
Mikael was quite good but hardly dominant. Markus was invisible. (Pulkkinen was decent. and Armia wasn't that bad, you can see his potential even if he floats sometimes. summa summarum, decent pre-comp. game.)
 
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