The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Dubi Doo]

If they trade for him, they are giving him a big money, multi-year deal that will likely be untradeable unless he blows up. And if he blows up, they won't want to trade him.

Well, Id be against a big contract right off the bat unless we can get him in the 7M range, which doesn't seem likely. That year to see if he gels is a nice perk of the trade. Of course, if he elevates his game a bit more to PPG+, then we'd be paying more inthe offseason.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Well, Id be against a big contract right off the bat unless we can get him in the 7M range, which doesn't seem likely. That year to see if he gels is a nice perk of the trade. Of course, if he elevates his game a bit more to PPG+, then we'd be paying more inthe offseason.

I think you can get him at $7m on a shorter term contract, not that I’d know. I feel like he just wants an opportunity to be “the guy” more than he wants big money.

Konecny seems to be a guy who just wants to max out his money, on the other hand.

 

[Jim Bob]

Well, Id be against a big contract right off the bat unless we can get him in the 7M range, which doesn't seem likely. That year to see if he gels is a nice perk of the trade. Of course, if he elevates his game a bit more to PPG+, then we'd be paying more inthe offseason.

There is no way he is signing a one year deal after a major trade. Necas and his agent would have the Sabres over a barrel and my guess is that it is a 5+ year deal at $7M+ AAV.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I think you can get him at $7m on a shorter term contract, not that I’d know. I feel like he just wants an opportunity to be “the guy” more than he wants big money.

Konecny seems to be a guy who just wants to max out his money, on the other hahand.

I'd actually prefer that. He could definitely outscore his worth if it's only 7M on a 3 year deal. That'd give us 4 years of a potential top line winger.

 

[toddkaz]

I am worried Adams is going to do something stupid to acquire Necas

 

[Mattilaus]

For the next couple hours/days I am just going to let myself be excited by possibility. Sure, maybe he does terrible and everything sucks after the moves are made (or not made), but for now everything is exciting and I like that I feel the need to check HF every 30 minutes.

 

[thewookie1]

I don't even have an inkling of interest in Necas or Zegras so these rumors only give me stress that we'll continue to repeat the same freaking idiotic strategies

 

[WeDislikeEich]

This quote from the Lebrun athletic article scares me.

“
In the meantime, there seems to be frustration from other teams involved in talks with Carolina over the high asking price, which has led to some clubs chatting internally about the possibility of an offer sheet.

“I don’t see how an offer sheet makes any sense for the player,” Tulsky said. “If he wants to leave, he’s giving us control … He’s lowering the return to where we wouldn’t let him go.”

What Tulsky means is that an offer sheet paying $9 million a year, for example, would require compensation of a first-, second- and third-round pick. Carolina’s looking for a bigger package than that. It would match that all day long.

“Correct,” Tulsky said. “So I don’t see how that’s a direction that makes sense.”

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[Dirty Dog]

Replacing Skinner with Necas is a great thing. Necas is a dynamic fast forward who drives offense and creates plays. He doesn’t check any of the boxes we want as far as physicality, but the Sabres can still address that.

I love Necas the player. I think concerns about his contract, acquisition cost, or him playing center are all legit concerns. Saying he is another skinner is driving me bonkers

 

[thewookie1]

This quote from the Lebrun athletic article scares me.

“
In the meantime, there seems to be frustration from other teams involved in talks with Carolina over the high asking price, which has led to some clubs chatting internally about the possibility of an offer sheet.

“I don’t see how an offer sheet makes any sense for the player,” Tulsky said. “If he wants to leave, he’s giving us control … He’s lowering the return to where we wouldn’t let him go.”

What Tulsky means is that an offer sheet paying $9 million a year, for example, would require compensation of a first-, second- and third-round pick. Carolina’s looking for a bigger package than that. It would match that all day long.

“Correct,” Tulsky said. “So I don’t see how that’s a direction that makes sense.”

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I would hope if we are stupid enough to do this that fans storm the freaking arena and tar and feather the entire staff before tossing them in the canal.

Replacing Skinner with Necas is a great thing. Necas is a dynamic fast forward who drives offense and creates plays. He doesn’t check any of the boxes we want as far as physicality, but the Sabres can still address that.

I love Necas the player. I think concerns about his contract, acquisition cost, or him playing center are all legit concerns. Saying he is another skinner is driving me bonkers

His stats line up with Skinner's

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797742332143415616

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805953959376441486

 

[Old Navy Goat]

Personally if they're spending the assets, I'd rather get McGroarty than Necas, or Zegras

 

[Jim Bob]

Personally if they're spending the assets, I'd rather get McGroarty than Necas, or Zegras

 

[Djp]

I would hope if we are stupid enough to do this that fans storm the freaking arena and tar and feather the entire staff before tossing them in the canal.



His stats line up with Skinner's

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797742332143415616

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805953959376441486

Why?

I'm not pro Necas but the logic is there.

You sign him to a 2 yr $XM contract st the max of 1st 2nd snd and 3rd comp.

As a 3 yr rental that's fine when thesr pickd are future years thus likely later. Thats lesshan say the high 1st× top young prospect+ carolina is likely asking for and not getting.

I look at Necas similar to Reinhart and Fiala value. Playoff 1st+decent prospect.

From Buffalo-' top 10 protected 25 1st+ Joker+secondary prospect

 

[Dirty Dog]

I would hope if we are stupid enough to do this that fans storm the freaking arena and tar and feather the entire staff before tossing them in the canal.



His stats line up with Skinner's

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797742332143415616

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805953959376441486

Yes, if you stay watch and literally stop there. They resemble each other. If you go any deeper into the ground than grass, they aren’t like each other at all.

Seriously, the JFresh charts are the worst. People really believe Skinner is in the 96th f***ing percentile of even strength offense?

 

[Djp]

Personally if they're spending the assets, I'd rather get McGroarty than Necas, or Zegras

If fine giving up 11 for McGroarty who we know for certain will sign

 

[Old Navy Goat]

If fine giving up 11 for McGroarty who we know for certain will sign

He changes the pool, he's a tough sonofabitch that will do what it takes to win

 

[toddkaz]

Teuvo Teravainen is a nice player headed to free agency. He will probably be cheaper than Necas

 

[Fezzy126]

No it’s not. It’s meaningful in showing you that 1st round picks, even in the top 15, are complete shots in the dark. This team has made a lot of those picks, so trading one for a proven top 6 player is great value.

This type of analysis suggests that we would rather have the 12th pick than the 11th, since that is where Necas was selected. If you look at a range of picks, such as 10th-15th, that would present a more meaningful data set. And if you did look at a range of picks over the last decade or so, then you'd find several names that are more impactful than Necas.

Trading 11AO makes little sense when the team has a logjam of similar aged prospects all knocking on the door and nowhere near enough spots for all of them.

Make the pick this year and trade one of the current high end prospects to alleviate the crowded prospect pool. This year's pick will then be ready to provide some seriously needed cheap ELC Talent into the lineup in 3-4 years when this team should be contending and is going to need quality ELCs the most.

This is how I've felt for some time. We have multiple prospects that will start to see the end of their waiver exemption status, I'd like to reset a couple of those windows instead of forcing them into lineup.

 

[thewookie1]

Why?

I'm not pro Necas but the logic is there.

You sign him to a 2 yr $XM contract st the max of 1st 2nd snd and 3rd comp.

As a 3 yr rental that's fine when thesr pickd are future years thus likely later. Thats lesshan say the high 1st× top young prospect+ carolina is likely asking for and not getting.

I look at Necas similar to Reinhart and Fiala value. Playoff 1st+decent prospect.

From Buffalo-' top 10 protected 25 1st+ Joker+secondary prospect

What I mean is that I have zero interest in acquiring him at any dollar or asset amount.

Yes, if you stay watch and literally stop there. They resemble each other. If you go any deeper into the ground than grass, they aren’t like each other at all.

Seriously, the JFresh charts are the worst. People really believe Skinner is in the 96th f***ing percentile of even strength offense?

Necas has a differing style than Skinner but both are high ineffective in their own zone and are far to dependent on others to help create their personal success

Effectively anything we give Necas, is also added to Skinner's buyout and I have zero interest in paying him 9mil per year and in 3 years paying him what equates to 15mil.

Teuvo Teravainen is a nice player headed to free agency. He will probably be cheaper than Necas

Depending on the contract ask, sure. He's even got the bonus of a Cup Ring

 

[Jim Bob]

If fine giving up 11 for McGroarty who we know for certain will sign

If McGroarty isn't down with playing in the AHL in Winnipeg's system, I would be surprised if he were excited about playing in the AHL in Buffalo's system.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1805742040497660010

And Chris Peters doesn't think that he's worth a top 15 pick in this year's draft.

 

[StrompTroller]

The deal was focused around Strome as the main piece. Sorry about your reading comprehension issues…they seem to really have impacted your troll game.

Yes strome makes it better...hes the missing piece...

You said I can't read. Boy how will I ever recover...

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

I am worried Adams is going to do something stupid to acquire Necas

You should be. Impossible to know how Terry impacting all this too.

Something to ponder about Necas. Rob Brind'Amour doesn't believe he can play centre but the player does. If the Sabres buy into that, who you going to trust. I'll take the coach in Carolina. They want this deal, don't be penciling him at centre.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Necas has a differing style than Skinner but both are high ineffective in their own zone and are far to dependent on others to help create their personal success

I don’t think you’ll find many Carolina fans who would agree that necas relies on others to drive his offense. From all the time I watch him, it is the opposite—he creates and drives offense on his own

 

[thewookie1]

You should be. Impossible to know how Terry impacting all this too.

Could you please give it a rest; these comments add nothing to this conversation since its practically cookie cutter insert Pegula hate here

 

[billsandsabres]

all the talk of acquiring various players that 1) want out 2) wore out welcome 3) in disagreement with their current team... makes me nervous. buffalo doesn't strike me as a destination that a player in that position will just magically slot right in naturally and be happy and flourish. exciting as these players may be, i don't think buffalo is their antidote.