It's that the owner really loves Jenner and JD has said they want to keep someone around in a leadership role - that's Jenner.
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It's that the owner really loves Jenner and JD has said they want to keep someone around in a leadership role - that's Jenner.
Fjordy
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That he can return to Russia after this season, but what this is connected with is unclear.
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I don't want to put my foot in front of the cart here, but has anyone seen Marner in the playoffs? Neither have the Leafs. He hasn't been a great performer in the playoffs throughout his career
Fjordy
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Marner is UFA in a year, I don’t see how Adams does it, unless by some miracle Skinner is also included in the deal and it will cost us Krebs and the first, which seems impossible.
Jim Bob
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10 decisions that will define Lindy Ruff's first offseason with the Sabres
The Sabres moved quickly to hire a new coach, but face many more decisions before next season begins.
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I agree with most of these.
The challenge will be what Adams and company have for answers...
Not to mention Marner has a full NMC next year, and then he’s a UFA. I doubt he waives unless the Leafs are out of the playoffs somehow and it’s a deadline deal.
Marner is probably not going to happen considering:
1. Going to need an elite forward contract
2. Toronto not trading him here
3. Full NMC
1. Going to need an elite forward contract
2. Toronto not trading him here
3. Full NMC
Overall, the first real big decision is skinner.
I don't Ruff is going to do well with his low effort style and long dry stretches.
He's likely already lost his top line spot to Peterka. We can still feed him high o-zone starts, I don't think we have the kind of 3rd line makeup that will allow him to thrive down the lineup.
If we can find a trade for him at 50%, let's do it. If not...the first buyout window is June 15th.
If Adams is serious about winning now...Skinner being gone by any means is the first step.
I don't Ruff is going to do well with his low effort style and long dry stretches.
He's likely already lost his top line spot to Peterka. We can still feed him high o-zone starts, I don't think we have the kind of 3rd line makeup that will allow him to thrive down the lineup.
If we can find a trade for him at 50%, let's do it. If not...the first buyout window is June 15th.
If Adams is serious about winning now...Skinner being gone by any means is the first step.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I wonder if they try and give it one season under Ruff to see how it works and buying him out next offseason if it doesn't.Overall, the first real big decision is skinner.
I don't Ruff is going to do well with his low effort style and long dry stretches.
He's likely already lost his top line spot to Peterka. We can still feed him high o-zone starts, I don't think we have the kind of 3rd line makeup that will allow him to thrive down the lineup.
If we can find a trade for him at 50%, let's do it. If not...the first buyout window is June 15th.
If Adams is serious about winning now...Skinner being gone by any means is the first step.
I wonder if they try and give it one season under Ruff to see how it works and buying him out next offseason if it doesn't.
Also might depend on if Ruff wants to coach Skinner.
But I'd like to see a season of Skinner under Ruff. I'm sure they will be talking this summer. Let's see how receptive Jeff is to what Ruff is telling him (as if he has a choice if he wants to play).
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Listening to Lindy's interview, he mentions four dangerous lines. Thinking back to 05-06, when he coached another very young team scattered with vets- I vaguely remember young players scattered across all 4 lines.
He also mentioned players making themselves uncomfortable. For example, if someone struggles blocking shots or playing defense- he wants those players to shift out of their comfort zone, start doing those things, and become a better player.
So, in my mind, he's going to want all four lines being at least adequate defensively. I dont think we'll see another Skinner-Thompson-Tuch esque line. It's more likely he'll put his version of Grier and Hecht on scoring lines. Didn't Grier play with Drury and Hecht with Briere in 05-06?
I'm actually getting excited for next season. I believe Lindy is going to want a couple of role players added, and his lineup choices should be intriguing.
He also mentioned players making themselves uncomfortable. For example, if someone struggles blocking shots or playing defense- he wants those players to shift out of their comfort zone, start doing those things, and become a better player.
So, in my mind, he's going to want all four lines being at least adequate defensively. I dont think we'll see another Skinner-Thompson-Tuch esque line. It's more likely he'll put his version of Grier and Hecht on scoring lines. Didn't Grier play with Drury and Hecht with Briere in 05-06?
I'm actually getting excited for next season. I believe Lindy is going to want a couple of role players added, and his lineup choices should be intriguing.
I wonder if they try and give it one season under Ruff to see how it works and buying him out next offseason if it doesn't.
Eh. I guess I don't see the reason why. Ruff loves versatile forwards who he can use in multiple situations, Skinner is as one dimensional as they come.
He's has a history of putting young players who aren't great at defense in a good positions to score while bringing that side of their game along (the RAV line, Jack Hughes, Seguin in Dallas)...but typically he wants players to be teachable. He ran out of patience with Afinogenov eventually.
How much patience is he going to have with a 1000 game vet whose utility is a 20 ft radius of the net and terrible everywhere else and doesn't seem interested in improving any part of his game.
Look, if Skinner is willing to be a more versatile player and work within Ruffs system, I'm happy to keep him around. But....he hasn't shown that kind of flexibility or maturity in the past.
Jim Bob
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Jamie Benn to BUF [E2]
I will believe that they will buy him out when it actually happens, though.
zenthusiast
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If Lindy could successfully arrange a tragic accident for Skinner, what cap implications would that have?
So, in situations were teams just outright terminate contracts for 'cause' (like Mike Richards, Corey Perry), the NHL typically allows teams to and then it goes to arbitration.
It's less than a buyout but they don't get a get out of jail free card either.
zenthusiast
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What if the cause is deathSo, in situations were teams just outright terminate contracts for 'cause' (like Mike Richards, Corey Perry), the NHL typically allows teams to and then it goes to arbitration.
It's less than a buyout but they don't get a get out of jail free card either.
sabresnyper
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If only there was....like...an LTIR type thing....where you can stash players......and get other ones.....hmmm......
joshjull
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What’s Jeff Gillooly up to these days?
There is a 4th - Marner leans into a strength in small offensive wingers but doesn't help with any weaknesses while soaking up cap to use on those problem locations.
Jim Bob
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Marner would be the best defensive forward in their top 6. So, it would help add a 200 foot game that they are looking for in the top 6.
But, like so many ideas that people will throw out there, it isn't happening.
Doug Prishpreed
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You're paying for a lot more than defense though. We can find a defensive winger for far less, since we don't need him to drive offensive play like Marner does (in the regulars season)
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